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Diamond Rio Selling Well

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the isn't-that-interesting dept.

Music 54

Tramm Hudson writes "In this Reuters article, Diamond Multimedia states that they are making 10,000 units a week and are still behind demand. Otherwise a fairly standard news report -- "Users love MP3, industry hates it". " I've found that they skip terribly at 128kbits, but less then that and they are tolerable. The first portable mp3 player than can store 5+ hours of music at 128kbits and not skip will do well. Until then, the Rio is a beta test for the real revolution. When the real deal is here though, the Rio will have made sure that we have lots of MP3s to choose from.

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Skip terribly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015054)

Huh? Are you implying that they do not have enuf 'horsepower' (eg: CPU, memory thruput, etc..) to handle 128/44 or better?

I had thot that teh big advantage of teh RIO was its lack of skipping...

MD3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015055)

Booming sales despite the fact that CompUSA advertised it in their Sunday supplements last week as an *MD3* player, as opposed to an *MP3* player. I suppose the people who want the Rio in the first place are the ones who already know what it does.

Hopefully someone will do it right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015056)

The RIO is cheap and dirty.

The construction of the RIO is the cheapest constructed peice of technology I've ever seen for 200 dollars.

The buttons break, the plastic case is thin and brittle, and you can get comparable headphones with 5 dollars at wallmart.

Kudos for Diamonds marketing team for selling such a peice.

Hopefully, a company will come in with some good construction using high capacity solid state "hard" drives soon.

Could it be sony?

Rio dont skip... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015057)

I have no idea what the lot of you are talking about. My RIo has never skiped once and can play 256bit files wihtout problem. I looked at the MP3 man first but didn't buy it due to the limited memory expansion options and the fact that its from Tiger. True I would have liked the RIO to be a little more sturdy but it performs very well with every song I've put on it.

Hopefully someone will do it right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015058)

I *HOPE* that will be SONY. IMHO best small devices such as Walkman, Diskman etc are done by them. Well, costly, but who cares?

Someone is doing it right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015059)

Someone is doing it right, and that's Saehan Information System's MPMan product line. If you look at their webpage you will see the new models they have in store for '99. They all have alphanumeric displays that can display ID3 information in any language possible and headphones with built-in controls. They also have many different models using many different storage mediums.

1. Smartmemory cards
2. Iomega Clik Disks
3. Slim type hardrives

The folks at Saehan know what their doing. We'll be able to get more information on these new models at CeBit '99 in Hannover, Germany. Until then, check out the website at http://www.mpman.com. [mpman.com]

A Sphincter Says What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015060)

I've found that they skip terribly at 128kbits, but less then that and they are tolerable.

The Rio can't handle more than 128kbits effectively? Um, yeah, or something. Are you using the "new math" here dude? My friend has a Rio, and I make fun of it all the time because I think they need much more storage, but it plays 256kbit MP3's just fine.

The first portable mp3 player than can store 5+ hours of music at 128kbits and not skip will do well. Until then, the Rio is a beta test for the real revolution. When the real deal is here though, the Rio will have made sure that we have lots of MP3s to choose from.

Boy, let's not mince words here, you really are quite the ass aren't you fella? First of all if you actually think in terms like "the real revolution" you need a serious skullthumping. Go back and finish your business degree you cubicle sucking fuckhead, you sound like a poorly composed FOX commercial that would air during Ally McBeal. Secondly, if you think it's taken a hardware player like the Rio to make MP3's available en masse, you must be like the only ./ reader who doesn't already have more than they know what to do with.

Sorry, it's monday.

SAVE THE BATS -Khyron

skipping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015061)

My Rio never skips ...

Maybe your Drunk :)

ahem.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015062)

http://mp4.globalmusic.com

No complaints about non-rechargeable! Good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015063)

The single AA battery is the best design decision. Nothing sucks more than proprietary rechargeable battery packs! Especially since it makes you wait while it recharges instead of just being able to put another AA cell in the unit. Just got back from a Hamfest and got a pile of NiMh AA's for $2/ea. From the MPMan site is says it either comes with two battery packs or it requires a pack with two cells.. I can't tell what they mean. Does it take a two cell battery pack and come with 2 packs, perhaps?

The Rio construction isn't horrible, my two haven't busted yet.. but then again I own a PalmPilot which truely has thin plastic. That 30 second pause function should really be changed though. It should be 10 minutes or something more or less indefinite.

ahem.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015064)

Proprietary file format caught in your throat?

Just turn your head and cough.

No one gives a shit about a2b's "mp4"

Skip? BS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015065)

My Rio doesn't skip at 128, 192, or 256 kBPS. I don't know what the !@#$ Rob is talking about.

Rio Skipping... NOT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015066)

The Rio itself never skips. A lot of problems with the "Rio Skipping" turns out to be the encoding on the software that comes with the Rio.

I've encoded a number of CD's using the software that comes with the Rio, and invariably, it dosen't work on anything less than a P-200 and/or a really fast (32x) CD-ROM drive. What really seems odd to me is that I have recorded .WAV files using a p-60 and a double-speed CD-ROM, and it works. Maybe the Rio software's implementation of CDDA is busted, who knows.

FWIW: I use cdda2wav and an MP3 encoder on my Linux box, upload the files through the Linux Rio software, and I've never heard a skip. I've also never had skips from MP3s I've downloaded online and uploaded from the P-60 Windows box.

Shrug.

-feedle (who forgot his password. Phooey!)

Gotta wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015067)

For not much more than you're paying for one of these guys you could build your own wearable, deck it out with lots more storage, and have a much more general purpose device.

Guess that sort of hardware hacking isn't for everyone, but I'm surprised I haven't seen at least a few of these pop up.

RIO Mp3 wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015068)

I would like to see inside a RIO, i havent got the time or the guts to take mine apart, just dont wnat to break it, :)

But if anyone has taken apart a RIO i would love to know how it works so well,..
and as for the skipping, i dont think so,
make Mp3's properly adn it wont skip..
It cant. !!!!!

Skip terribly? -- I think not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015069)

Likewise, I have never had mine skip either.

Maybe you should rma your and get a new one rob.

Compared to MiniDisc? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015070)

I've just brought myself a portable minidisc recorder/player (MZ-R50), and I was wondering how well these stack up against the Rio in terms of price and sound quality?

I've noticed when I put my MP3's through the stereo at home they don't sound as good as playing from CD (less bass), but the MiniDisc seems to sound just as good.

I don't think we can buy the RIO in Australia yet anyway, I don't know how much they'd be.

Just curious. I'm more than happy with my MiniDisc at the moment.

Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015071)

heheheh

No complaints about non-rechargeable! Good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015072)

Take a closer look at the Rio battery compartment. A single NC-5WM ("prism" type) NiCad battery will fit -- I tried it. They're very easy to store, and have good power density for their size. If you have them (I got one with my old walkman, go figure), they're cool. If you don't, then they're kinda pricey.

Sometimes my RIO skips... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015073)


...other times it will a little jig. It really depends on the type of music that I am playing. I have found that the little bugger really loves anything funky (chilly peppers, primus).

The skipping is cool and everything but it gets a little old after awhile. I'd like to train him (or her?) to do more of a hop, skip and then a jump (to top it all off).

Who knows, if I'm lucky the two of us could be doing cart-wheels in six months time!!!

Yea Hah! Yea Hah! Little RIO, Lets Dance!

no remote! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015074)

i'll buy when they come with a remote on earphone wire like minidisc players. no remote, you still have to pull this thing out of the pocket... click, stuff it back,

Bad form Taco...No Skip here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015075)

Maybe you should have a poll. I've NEVER heard my RIO skip. Sounds like you got a lemon...but please DON'T slam the RIO

Skipping Myth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015076)

Is just that. A properly operating Rio has no trouble with any MP3, regardless of data rate.

The little earphones are horribly cheesy, though.

In my case, the defect I've discovered is that my Rio no longer recognizes my 16M SmartMedia card. I've been too lazy to call Diamond about it, though... the Rio's way of dealing with the removable media as a separate volume is despicable -- the card can't be used in any other device, and really, how many people are going to pack around pocketfuls of $50 media to use on one player.

Still, I'm more likely to be excited about a black box I can sit atop my amp in the living room and stream MP3 to over NFS or somesuch.

I guess I'll just have to put a fanless box behind the TV...

Yo there is a MUCH MUCH better company out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015077)

Lemme make this simple and to the point

rio(Diamond) is a copycat of mpman(Saehan)
also, saehan is coming up with portable mp3 players with clik disk, hard disk, A LOT of shietz.. I own mpman and my friend owns rio. we compared it, mpman rocks. GO TO

http://www.mpman.com

Rio Skip???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#2015078)

I have 2 of these units and neither skip playing files at 128kbits. I have not heard of this report from anyplace else. Maybe you should find out if its YOUR unit or maybe YOU need to learn to encode. I think you do Diamond and Slashdot readers a terrible injustice by posting this. Do you even own a Rio? I'm sorry but inaccurate statements such as your article on the Rio in a respected forum as Slashdot do not do you, Diamondmm or the Linux community any good.

It skips? (1)

Mike Hicks (244) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015079)

I had no idea that the Rio skipped at all.. I figured they'd give the things enough processor power to handle, oh, probably 256 kbit without trouble.. Of course, maybe it's just Rob ;-)

Icon (1)

Kyt (903) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015080)

I love the irony inherent in the antique phonograph being used as the icon for all things MP3-related. Well done. :)

Size vs. storage (1)

Kyt (903) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015081)

What bugs me a bit about the Rio and MPMan is that they make such a big deal out of the teeny-tiny size of the beasties... if they were bigger (say, the size of a regular Walkman-type portable), they'd have room for *way* more storage... more tunes = more time = bigger market. Unfortunately, it would probably also = higher price.

Still, it's a thought.

Doesn't skip... (1)

David Price (1200) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015082)

My Rio never skips, unless you use the equalizer button (annoying, but I just don't use it while playing music.) I've played all manner of 128kbps mp3s and none have given me problems.

ibm microdrive (1)

Omnibus (1831) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015083)

I wonder how those rios would be with a nice 340 meg ibm microdrive compact flash? *drool*

asinus sum et eo superbio

ibm microdrive (1)

Omnibus (1831) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015084)

ouch? a wee bit expensive for a toy :)
i would guess the power requirement for a full size drive would be a bit much for something like a portable mp3 player.

asinus sum et eo superbio

My Rio seems to handle ANY MP3 (1)

discHead (3226) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015085)

I own a Rio. I have had ZERO problems with all of the MP3s I have thrown at it--even ones with variable bit rate! (Although it is funny watching the timer when playing those VBRs.)

Encoding things at 256 kbps seems like a waste to me. My ears cannot tell the difference between a 160-kbps MP3 and the original CD. Personally, I prefer to use 96 kbps with joint-stereo encoding; it sounds just fine in the kinds of environments a portable player is designed for (walking, driving, etc.).

Sony? Nope. Samsung? Yepp. :-) (1)

discHead (3226) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015086)

Possible Solution (1)

SpiceWare (3438) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015087)

I have had problems with some MP3's under OS/2. There's a utility (for OS/2) called UNCOOK that fixed the problem. I suspect some incoding software puts bogus info in the MP3 file and UNCOOK takes it out.

I tracked down a few versions:

OS/2 [tudelft.nl]

Unix/Linux [free-music.com]

DOS [flash.net]

winblows [free-music.com]

A Disc/MP3Man would be nice.... (1)

dbday (3900) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015088)

Actually, the first portable mp3 player I'll consider buying will be the gadget that reads from compact disks or from flash memory cards. Maybe a combo audio cd/pc cd super discman?

Too bad I'm all thumbs at hardware. At least we're getting there on the processor side. Remember the smallest webserver [stanford.edu] that was mentioned on slashdot [slashdot.org] last month?

MP4 is not the answer (1)

Morgaine (4316) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015089)

MP4 misses one of the key points of the MP3 revolution: that the music industry has repeatedly ignored the call for massive reductions in the price of music over the past 10 years despite the dramatic drop in the cost of electronic replication, so now music listeners are taking matters into their own hands and reducing the communal cost of buying CDs at the current extortionate prices. It's not happening as an organized protest or revolution, but the effect is the same. MP4 is a controlled format and so cannot fill the same niche as an instrument of "people-power".

If the industry wants to stop the "unauthorized" MP3 scene (as opposed to the mp3.com-style one) they could do so at a stroke by reducing the price of CDs to a dollar apiece. They would still make a fortune because people would buy massively more CDs than they do now, but no, there's no chance of that happening because they're basically dinosaurs with a peanut for a brain.

This is a free market in action, with new technology constantly changing the rules. If the industry doesn't want to compete with the new lost-cost possibilities brought about by technology then it deserves to die, and with it those musicians who insist on playing the old game at the old prices instead of adapting to the new environment.

That's not the only driving force of course, but it's a strong one.

Netwinder! (1)

Anonymous Cow (6787) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015090)

Just use a Netwinder instead :) Yeah, it's a little bulky, but it'll do much more than MP3s :) Somebody on the Netwinder devel list actually does this (w/ 2 laptop lead-acid batteries... he takes the thing on the subway to work and listens to mp3s on the way).

encoding (1)

sykt (6887) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015091)

If your MP3s are "skipping" it has to do with poor ENCODING on your computer, not the Rio! I bet if you play the suspect mp3s on your computer they will have the same "skipping" problem. Download a decent mp3 to your rio and it should play fine.

Not enough memory. (1)

Poopdbq (8158) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015092)

I'll buy when when they get more storage space.

No skipping here. (1)

hexix (9514) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015093)

Just thought I'd write in to say that mine doesn't skip at all either. I think Rob must have a lemon or something else is wrong. I only wish he would have tried others before he badmouthed the rio. He does have a point about needing more space though, 32 megs doesn't cut it and I don't feel like spending $80 on 32 more.

The Rio DOES NOT SKIP (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015094)

If your unit skips, it's faulty - or the MP3s are screwed, possibly by a dud CD drive.

The Rio does not skip - please remove that comment from the front page.

Yours,

Kris.

MPman doesn't skip. (1)

FireReaper (11087) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015095)

Bought the MPman a few months ago and while it
isn't as flashy in appearance as the Rio, it DID
cost me less and perform quite well.

I've also noticed that the MPman doesn't skip and
will handle MP3's up to 256kbps as opposed to
Rio's 128.

Just two cents.


- Wing
- Reap the fires of the soul.
- Harvest the passion of life.

Sold online at several places. (1)

FireReaper (11087) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015096)

The MPman is sold online at a variety of places.
See:

www.mpman.com
Info on the MPman and product support.
www.shopper.com
Search for "mpman"
www.pricewatch.com
Search for "mpman"
www.eigerlabs.com
Info on the device and other misc.
http://www.eigerlabs.com/MPMan/partners.htm
Places to buy the MPman.

Hope that helps. :)

- Wing
- Reap the fires of the soul.
- Harvest the passion of life.

doesn't skip (1)

e (12832) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015097)

Maybe you want to check your mp3? I've played stuff at 160kbps, and it did just fine.

It Ain't Skippin' Here (1)

InitZero (14837) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015098)

Uhhh... What's that about skipping? I've had a RIO since October and haven't had a single problem with skippage even at 256kbps. In fact, my complaints are few and will be fixed if and when RIO 2.0 is available. I want USB support and more memory. Other than that, RIO rockz hardcore mucho very a lot and a bag of SIMMs.

InitZero

Rio Firmware: Anyone looked at it? (1)

Sowbug (16204) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015099)

Since there isn't exactly 32 * 1024 * 1024 bytes of free space on a blank Rio, I'm assuming that extra little bit of used space is the program that decodes the MP3s and handles UI. Has anyone figured out how to download it? What microprocessor's in there? Disassembly? Hacks?

Also, is it possible for two parallel port devices to speak directly to each other? I'd like to hack my Rio so it can send songs to other Rios with a suitable cord connecting them. If it's possible in the hardware, then it's possible in the firmware. That would be one cool hack.

Skin-ware? (1)

jkdufair (16805) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015100)

The article suggested that sites that have MP3s for download often have previews of what various MP3 players look like so you can decide which one to use before downloading. How idiotic. Selling software on form instead of function. "You know, I'd love a beowulf cluster, but it is kinda ugly..."

Jason Dufair
"Those who know don't have the words to tell

aac? off-topic (1)

Tardigrade (17769) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015101)

Is anyone coming up with a player that will support multiple codecs (perhaps through plugin modules/pcmcia slots)? This and the lack of storage are the reasons I haven't bought a rio, etc....

My Rio doesn't skip, even at 160kb! (1)

Perlguy (17814) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015102)

If you have a Rio, and it skips, take it back!


If you don't have a Rio and are just relaying rumors, stop relying on rumors and try one out! I use mine EVERY day and have never even had a spot that "slowed down" because it was too busy processing. The only time I've had it skip is when rip songs from scratched CD's and that isn't the Rio's fault.


The Rio RULES, don't let anyone B.S. you...

No, it does not skip. (1)

Charmed_Strange (17816) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015103)

I have owned two Rio's (First one had a defective casing and wanted to come apart), and neither one has skipped at all with me at 128 or higher.
Perhaps something was wrong with the mp3 or that particular unit.....

AFAIC, the only thing that beats the Rio is my MiniDisc portable recorder/player for expandability reasons. That being said, the Rio is a fine product which has the advantage of fast uploading of songs (Minidisc has to be recorded realtime) and the disadvantages of high media prices (flash memory), and inability to record on its own.

Overall, I almost regret purchasing the Rio due to the price and partly to the fact that I already have MiniDisc equipment.... but then I remember how often I must replace/recharge the batteries in my MD compared to the Rio...

I would like to hear more from anyone who has/had a Rio which skips on 128k songs....

Skip?? Try This. (1)

Howler (17832) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015104)

I originally had the skip problem. However, it is not related to the RIO. I pursued the issue and checked out the Music Match Jukebox website and they mention that the problem is probably the CD-ROM. Not all CD-ROMs have the circuitry (Don't ask, I don't have a clue as to what ciruitry) to handle the high MP3 sample rates.

I was using WinAmp to play the MP3Z from and they would skip and speed up without end.

Well, as a test, I tried to record some CDs I own from my HP 7110i CD-RW and low and behold, perfect!

WinAmp AND my RIO play them flawlessly at 128.

Hope this helps

-Howler
"HHHhhoowwwwllll Babe!"

Too expensive (1)

Otto (17870) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015105)

I'd love it if:

A. It had more storage space
B. It was priced for what you actually get.

Still, it's good that diamond came out with this. It opens the market to other similar (i.e. better) items.

I have a Rio... (1)

Korpios (158322) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015106)

...and it never skips at 128 kbits. Every MP3 I copy over is 128 kbits (yes, reducing the advertised play time by half) and I've never had a problem.

THe rio doesn't skip (1)

absolutek (232690) | more than 15 years ago | (#2015107)

I've had my rio since christmas and it never skips, even when I'm using 256kb mp3's and the equalizer. As for it being brittle, anything will break if you bash it hard enough. Take care of your rio and it will take care of you.


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