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Washington DC's Public Library Will Teach People How To Avoid the NSA 81

Jason Koebler writes Later this month, the Washington DC Public Library will teach residents how to use Tor as part of a 10 day series designed to shed light on government surveillance, transparency, and personal privacy. The series is called "Orwellian America," and it's quite subversive, considering that it's being held by a publicly funded entity mere minutes from a Congress and administration that allowed the NSA's surveillance programs to spin wildly out of control.
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Washington DC's Public Library Will Teach People How To Avoid the NSA

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  • How depressing... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bearhouse ( 1034238 ) on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:14AM (#48818657)

    That learning how to protect your privacy from quasi-legal Govt. data harvesting could now be considered "subversive"

    • Re:How depressing... (Score:5, Informative)

      by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:42AM (#48818803) Homepage

      It's depressing that it's necessary, but ...

      sub-ver-sive
      adjective
      adjective: subversive

              1.
              seeking or intended to subvert an established system or institution.
              "subversive literature"
              synonyms: disruptive, troublemaking, inflammatory, insurrectionary; More
              seditious, revolutionary, rebellious, rebel, renegade, dissident
              "subversive activities"

      noun
      noun: subversive; plural noun: subversives

              1.
              a subversive person.
              synonyms: troublemaker, dissident, agitator, revolutionary, renegade, rebel
              "a dangerous subversive"

      Getting around a surveillance state which has declared itself to be legal and legitimate ... well, guess what, demanding your rights now is subversive.

      When you have to hide from your own government because they have decided you have no actual right to privacy, your government is unjust.

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

      That is now interpreted as "unless we say otherwise, and if you disagree you must side with the terrorists".

      The supposedly "free" governments around the world now pretty much require that we be subversive, because they no longer recognize or give a damn about our rights. So it's pretty much the only thing left.

      • Getting around a surveillance state which has declared itself to be legal and legitimate ... well, guess what, demanding your rights now is subversive.

        ... declared itself to be legal ...

        I love how we use this phrase as if to imply that the government has somehow changed the rules on it's own without the consent or will of the people. All of these changes stem from the Patriot Act that followed September 11th. Which was voted into law by the Representatives that we elected. How many people actually read the Patriot Act? How many people chose to attend the House and Senate sessions where the nuances of the act were debated? How many people actually wrote

        • by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday January 15, 2015 @12:47PM (#48820845) Homepage

          I love how we use this phrase as if to imply that the government has somehow changed the rules on it's own without the consent or will of the people.

          Until such time as they change the Constitution, it is still the highest law of the land. Deciding the 4th amendment (or any other part of it) is optional is not consistent with that.

          Ergo, it is, by definition, illegal.

          Yes, a lot of scared people have accepted this. That doesn't make it legal. It's expedient, sure. But legal? I don't buy that.

          And, since they've given themselves permission to do this in the rest of the world, without the consent of the people they do it to ... I conclude that America has made themselves the enemy of the liberty of everyone on the planet.

          In which case what your passive citizenry accept is irrelevant. Because the rest of the world isn't subject to US law, no matter how much you guys believe in manifest destiny.

          So, fight or don't fight your your rights, I don't care. But keep your fucking hands off mine. The rest of us haven't consented to this horseshit by the NSA.

          • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... [wikipedia.org]

            Please tell me how that is against the forth amendment? Also, please explain how business records provided after a court order (warrent?) by the phone company somehow breaks the forth amendment.

          • So, fight or don't fight your your rights, I don't care. But keep your fucking hands off mine. The rest of us haven't consented to this horseshit by the NSA.

            But that's the NSA's job. It's posted in their mission statement on their public website. And news flash. If you think that whatever country you're in isn't doing the same damn thing... Then you're delusional.

        • The idea that they can be simply replaced if they do things we don't like is only true in an efficient and fair election system. Most candidates never state where they stand on most issues, and make sure the public never gets a chance to challenge them on any issue beyond asking single question. So you wouldn't know who to vote for to begin with, even if you assume both candidates were actually in opposition on the topic.

          Running yourself won't help as money is required to get your word out, and our votin

    • Actually, the fact that this is even happening is just a sign that the NSA can see into Tor and this is just a way to get peole to use it and "think" they are "safe" from the NSA spying....

      This is what America has come to...

    • The only upside is that whether or not someone agrees with the assessment that this is 'subversive' is an excellent(and relatively quick to administer) assay for determining whether or not they are a worthless authoritarian shitsack who would be better off deported to some hellhole with a nice abusive father figure that they can look up to and salute.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:14AM (#48818659)

    Hey, Bob, attend this class, make a list of attendees. Oh man, this is too easy!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Librarians understand.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Avoid going to meetings about avoiding the NSA while in public.

  • And (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:18AM (#48818689)

    Welcome to the TOR class. To register, we need your name, DOB, address, Social Security number, and a short essay on why you fear the government...

    • and a short essay on why you fear the government

      Because they seem to like to violate the constitution that they have sworn an oath to uphold. Add in that they like to fire drones at individuals whom happen to be in foreign countries as well as harass and arrest individuals in the US who happen to espouse ideas contrary to the current view of the leadership. Finally it is none of their goddamn business.

  • "Come on in, come on in, don't mind the webcam at the front door, it's there to detect any NSA agents who would try to infiltrate our premises."

    So NSA do love practical jokes, what's new here?
  • Wikipedia thinks that "Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. "

    One might consider this superversive, an attempt to restore a social order's power of their security servicer.

  • Coming soon... (Score:5, Informative)

    by langelgjm ( 860756 ) on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:22AM (#48818711) Journal
    A Congressional rider attached to an unrelated bill outlawing such activities within the District. Kind of how like Maryland's Andy Harris [washingtonpost.com] inserted language to block DC's marijuana legalization.
  • In addition to the obvious benefit of public education, it's nice to see a local government function giving El Federales the finger.

  • by Macfox ( 50100 ) * on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:31AM (#48818743)
    You don't talk about TOR club.
  • by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:36AM (#48818765) Homepage

    A lot of people don't realize librarians have always been on the forefront of protecting out rights.

    From fighting for censorship, to advocating for free speech, to stuff like this ... librarians tend to be people with a real understanding of our liberties, and why it's important to have them.

    So, if you enjoy the right to read a book which someone found offensive, of the ability to access stuff without having to pay the publisher, or free and anonymous access to the interwebs ... hug your local librarian.

    They or someone like them has probably done as much to maintain your freedoms as anybody else in the last few decades.

    Showing the public how to undermine the surveillance crap ... well, that deserves applause in my book.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:38AM (#48818775)

    Librarians have been fighting the good fight in America at least as far back as the 1940s when they stood up to red scare shenanigans. [pbworks.com] They were also at the forefront of fighting the PATRIOT act, [propublica.org] both in lobbying and in action when they redesigned their lending software to delete all information once a book was returned. They are also at the center of the hackerspace movement. [npr.org]

    • Hear, hear! Librarians are awesome and some of the most underappreciated people. But when they stand up for something, watch out! Freedom for anonymous browsing is another cause they stood up for.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    It's not the government that loyalty is owed, it is the government that owes loyalty to its people, and it is lacking and found wanting.

    Even the place is right. Let congress and senate learn what horrid beast they have created.

    Of course, it could still be subversive, if they or some other service would abuse this series of meetings to flag and catalogue people to keep an eye on. All the more reason to make sure as many senators and congress(wo)men attend.

  • by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Thursday January 15, 2015 @09:43AM (#48818809) Homepage

    Their last seminar on How Not to be Seen [youtube.com] wasn't very popular with some of the attendees.

  • NSA must have cracked Tor...

    • by Anonymous Coward

      NSA must have cracked Tor...

      That's obvious, if someone as corrupt and incompetent as the FBI can monitor TOR for over a year in order to prosecute Silk Road, then the NSA has doubtless tracked TOR users for years and told the FBI how to do it.

      Don't get me wrong, getting privacy into the main stream is a great idea. Unfortunately I think at this point it is too little too late.

      • of course the NSA (and any other gov' dept' they share intel' with) have got a way to monitor the tor users now. protect everything with the use of encryption on every digital thing you own. gov's hate encryption, use as much as you can!
      • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
        Consider the interesting parts of the internet to be Tempora ready https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] .
        Every message in is reconciled with every message out. Finding the end and entry ip is then easy at a county, state or federal level.
        People may expect privacy and anonymity from networks that are collecting it all.
        If Bob and Sally are under constant constant surveillance privacy would be an issue.
        If Bob is under active surveillance and Sally as a journalist is, then anonymity for any whistleblower is i
  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Thursday January 15, 2015 @10:18AM (#48819017) Journal

    Libraries are by design one of the safeguards against tyranny.

    And we're only safe once the tools to subvert domestic NSA spying are so ubiquitous that a workshop like this one are no longer newsworthy. But I'm sure some future John McCain/Lyndsey Graham congressional asshat will decry "public funds being used to support terrorism" and the program will be cancelled.

  • I've been wondering what happens if my SSL key signer received a FISA gag order and request for my private keys, how would I know?
    Do you know?

    I'm suggesting they also teach how to selfsign their certificates and understand how this whole process works.
    If I were trying to monitor the internet's HTTPS/SSL traffic i'd go after those private keys soon as possible, especially since there is this belief that your safe if you have a signed pem key for your host/https/tls/etc..
    • by TCM ( 130219 )

      Yeah, they better teach about these techniques if you really think SSL works by handing out your private keys.

      • by Bonzoli ( 932939 )
        What? I didn't say that at all(troll bait?). Odd perhaps you should reread the post. The whole point is, why would I care what you encrypt your data with if I can just get the private part (key, csr, crt,pem,Password,whatever you want to call it today) your using to encrypt the conversation with? I would even encourage the use of said product because I am guaranteed a way to read it?
        • by TCM ( 130219 )

          You implied your "SSL key signer" has your private key which is not the case as it would be royally stupid.

  • I wonder how many spooks'll be there taking names?

  • The idea of teaching proper internet practices is a great idea. Teach people how to recognize phishing e-mails/sites and the like. Teach people how to use account names and password properly. Teach people the scams. but... teaching TOR at this point seems silly. It's been compromised. It's a bad lesson.
  • The city government of D.C. likes tweaking the nose of the Federal government. Ever seen one of these? It's a D.C. license plate, and it reads "Taxation Without Representation". [wikimedia.org]

    Giving an ineffectual finger to the Feds is a pastime for them.

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