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As Prison Population Sinks, Jails Are a Steal 407

HughPickens.com writes After rising rapidly for decades, the number of people behind bars peaked at 1.62 Million in 2009, has been mostly falling ever since down, and many justice experts believe the incarceration rate will continue on a downward trajectory for many years. New York, for example, saw an 8.8% decline in federal and state inmates, and California, saw a 20.6% drop. Now the WSJ reports on an awkward byproduct of the declining U.S. inmate population: empty or under-utilized prisons and jails that must be cared for but can't be easily sold or repurposed. New York state has closed 17 prisons and juvenile-justice facilities since 2011, following the rollback of the 1970s-era Rockefeller drug laws, which mandated lengthy sentences for low-level offenders. So far, the state has found buyers for 10 of them, at prices that range from less than $250,000 to about $8 million for a facility in Staten Island, often a fraction of what they cost to build. "There's a prisoner shortage," says Mike Arismendez, city manager for Littlefield, Texas, home of an empty five-building complex that sleeps 383 inmates and comes with a gym, maintenence shed, armory, and parking lot . "Everybody finds it hard to believe."

The incarceration rate is declining largely because crime has fallen significantly in the past generation. In addition, many states have relaxed harsh sentencing laws passed during the tough-on-crime 1980s and 1990s, and have backed rehabilitation programs, resulting in fewer low-level offenders being locked up. States from Michigan to New Jersey have changed parole processes, leading more prisoners to leave earlier. On a federal level, the Justice Department under Attorney General Eric Holder has pushed to reduce sentences for nonviolent drug offenders. Before 2010, the U.S. prison population increased every year for 30 years, from 307,276 in 1978 to a high of 1,615,487 in 2009. "This is the beginning of the end of mass incarceration," says Natasha Frost. "People don't care so much about crime, and it's less of a political focus."
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As Prison Population Sinks, Jails Are a Steal

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  • Prison population (Score:5, Interesting)

    by galgon ( 675813 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:10AM (#48167613)
    Am I the only one who thought the prison population was at an all time high?
    • by sycodon ( 149926 )

      A place to keep everyone infected with Ebola. :-)

    • Re:Prison population (Score:5, Informative)

      by invid ( 163714 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:49AM (#48167849)
      It's especially surprising considering that there is a population bulge of young people with the Millennials. Conventional wisdom states that since most crimes are committed by people in their teens and twenties, such a population bulge would increase crime. I guess it's time to toss out conventional wisdom.
    • It's an election year. This is the occasion for prosecutors to lobby for jail construction bonds, at the same time as inventing new categories of prisoners to fill them. How many people are jailed for "paraphernalia," which means common items that might possibly be used in the drug trade. Failing that, we can always crank down the blood alcohol limit one more time until one beer with dinner out is enough to expose middle-class people to the prison system for the first time.

    • by jopsen ( 885607 )

      Am I the only one who thought the prison population was at an all time high?

      Don't worry it's still troubling high... You still have more people incarcerated than various not-so-popular dictators have had...
      So don't worry, America is still evil, he he :)

      On-topic, it's a shame the falling prison population isn't the headline... But instead the headline is empty prisons for sale...

    • Re:Prison population (Score:5, Interesting)

      by hey! ( 33014 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @05:39PM (#48172573) Homepage Journal

      Check out this graph [sentencingproject.org].

      The nuimbers of prisoners has not declined significantly since 2009. This doesn't mean the bubble hasn't burst, the nature of the bubble resists bursting. People can leave the housing market, but prisoners can't leave the prison market.

      Still, anyone who invested big-time in prisons back in 2008 or so on the basis of 30 years of exponential prison population growth was just stupid. We were approaching 1% of the Amercian population incarcerated, how much higher did they expect that to go?

      I have no sympathy with a town that bet its financial future on prisons while its schools rate minimally acceptable.

  • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:11AM (#48167617) Journal

    Sure it's good to have fewer people behind bars...if you happen to be people. But corporations run many jails now, and depend on your tax dollars to simply put food on the table for their corporate families. If there are no inmates, who will make money feeding them $0.86 meals, or use 19th century methods of medical care to maximize profits, or make payments on their newly built facilities? It's still a young industry. Won't you think of the corporate children?

    I say it's time we stand up and put more people behind bars. For you. For Me. For the corporations. Because when corporations suffer, we all feel the hurt.*

    *not really, but it seems like a good slogan

  • Doesn't a person break, on average, about 3 laws a day, mostly federal? Time to fill them back up! I'm sure the prison-industrial complex can lobby for that.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:13AM (#48167627)

    ...and they'd demand swimming pools and a wine cellar.

  • Yikes! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MagickalMyst ( 1003128 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:18AM (#48167643)
    Considering that the American prison system is now privatized this is quite scary, because "Prison, Inc." makes money by incarcerating people. If there is a shortage of prisoners...

    Well, you do the math.
  • No Brainer (Score:5, Insightful)

    by invid ( 163714 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:18AM (#48167645)
    Zombie Apocalypse Shelters.
  • by aglider ( 2435074 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:19AM (#48167657) Homepage
    We are having the opposite problem: too many people in too few prisons.
  • Data centers? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by swb ( 14022 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:21AM (#48167675)

    Since everything from office buildings to warehouses to shopping malls have been converted to data centers, why not prisons? They already offer a ton of security and the cells would be kind of perfect for those customers that buy those little fenced off spaces of multiple racks. The water lines for the sinks might be repurposable for some knd of cooling loop.

    The other conversion option is a secure place for containing Ebola, or perhaps as safe havens FROM Ebola..

    • Probably need to do too much work to make them wired and well ventilated. As far as I'm aware, there isn't much electricity in jail cells, maybe enough for a few lights, but nowhere near enough for racks full of servers. And ventilation is pretty sparse. If the roofs were high enough, I guess you could retrofit them with raised floors and put all that stuff in. You have to be careful who you sell it to though, it might end up in the wrong hands [wikipedia.org].
      • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

        Just use chilled doors on the racks have lower air con costs anyway and not have all that issue with trying to blow air around efficiently. Basically hot air exhausts through the back of the servers and immediately hits a gigantic radiator which has chilled water flowing through it and out the back of the rack comes cool air. Works a treat.

      • If you used raised floors then you would have the problem that the cell doors don't match up with the floors. So you're going to have to run all that stuff along the ceiling on cable ladders. And it's going to have to run through the hallways because going through the walls will be a PITA. Finally, prisons are typically not located next to communications facilities or to office buildings, so they're not really optimal locations for data centers anyway.

  • great news. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Connie_Lingus ( 317691 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:23AM (#48167683) Homepage

    as a "casualty" of the US's insane and poorly thought out War on Drugs...I find this news wonderful.

    the idea that people like me, whom got caught up in the drug game due to low self-esteem, need to goto state prisons and waste away with child-rapists, murderers, and "lifers" is not only totally ridiculous, but utterly dangerous.

    i spent 22.5 months in Florida prison's, all because I got caught with some MDMA and weed at a rave in Orlando, FL in 2001.

    i am basically serving a life-sentence for this crime, as corporate BG checks prevents me for getting hired.

    hopefully, now others won't be subjected to the things I've been through.

    • Re:great news. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:53AM (#48167863) Journal
      I've wondered about that: to what extent should a criminal past continue to haunt you, or in other words: should prospective employers (or even the public) have the right to look into your background? If an employer happens to know that you did something wrong in the past, I think they ought to be free to not hire you, but that's not the same as making such information freely available to employers.

      Here in the Netherlands, employers can't directly check your criminal records (they are not even allowed to ask in job interviews), but they can request that you submit a so-called "statement of conduct" (in some professions like child care, having such a statement is mandatory by law). Such statements are issued by the police on request, and the nice thing about them is that it doesn't detail your criminal past, but instead answers a specific question about the job or license you are applying for: "does anything in this person's record indicate that they shouldn't get a job in a day care center / get a gun license / hold a job with a lot of financial responsibilities?" So a child molester is not barred from a job as CFO, an embezzler can still get a gun license, and a burglar can work in day care, because the statement of conduct in each of these cases will come back as "no objection". To me this seems like a much more reasonable balance between the rights of employers wanting to know whom they are dealing with, and those of criminals who have served their time.

      Even better of course would be for the US to drop the stupid "war on drugs". Interestingly, it looks like the USA is now leading on legalizing soft drugs, whereas the Netherlands (known for its liberal attitude towards drugs) is actually cracking down. (remember: soft drugs were never legal here, merely tolerated).
      • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

        In the US criminal records are public records the exception is for juveniles. Once you are an adult you are expected to follow rules.
        What I do not get is this statement. "i spent 22.5 months in Florida prison's, all because I got caught with some MDMA and weed at a rave in Orlando, FL in 2001."
        If it was that guys first conviction and he did not have "a lot" of MDMA and weed aka amounts that make it look like you are dealing. Up to 20 grams is only a misdemeanor. MDMA is another story but unless he refused

        • Re:great news. (Score:5, Interesting)

          by adam525 ( 813427 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @09:59AM (#48168321) Homepage
          Actually, a lot of people don't get what they "should get" when dealing with the courts. If he didn't have legal counsel (that he paid for) I could see him doing a couple of years on a first time drug charge. I went to school with a guy that got sentenced to a LONG time in federal prison for selling cocaine. He got out "early" after spending about 5 years behind bars.

          If you ever have the misfortune of getting mixed up in the system, good luck to you. Maybe you have been in trouble and have gotten lucky. I went to court on two VERY ridiculous charges. I paid for a lawyer. He kept putting the case off until the DA finally agreed to drop the charges. It all depends on what mood you catch them in. It was proven to me when my charges were dropped. My lawyer didn't tell me what he was doing, but I figured it out. I wound up showing up to court about 6 or 7 times on the same charge. The first several times, the DA didn't agree to drop the charges. Finally, one random day, he said "OK" and the charges were dropped. Before that he had offered something dumb like community service. My lawyer just kept saying "I wouldn't take it". So I kept going back to court and one day the DA just agreed to drop the charges. The first charge cost me $250.00. The second one cost me $1500.00.

          If I would have walked in there with a public defender, I would have gotten (probably) 80 hours of community service and a charge on my record that would have kept me from EVER getting a decent job. I have a family. My son is GOING TO EAT whether I get his food through legitimate means or not. If that would have been put on my record, I would probably be in prison or headed there today for some BS charge (and it was BS, trust me on that) that I shouldn't have been charged with in the first place.

          Some people deserve to be in jail for the things they do. A lot of people are sitting in prison right now who don't deserve to be there by a long stretch.
      • I agree with you, in Canada it's basically the same. We're not allowed to do background checks unless it's a job require like daycare, higher level accounting positions, etc. For example if I hire an engineer, QA guy or sound artist it would be right along there with asking a women if she intends to be pregnant soon ( which hilariously enough I understand is legal in many states ).
      • Absolutely 100% agree with you about the U.S. needing to give up on the "war on drugs" thing. That failed policy has cost untold billions of taxpayer dollars and made criminals out of insane numbers of citizens -- all with essentially no upside.

        The system you speak of in the Netherlands sounds pretty reasonable too, and I could see the U.S. potentially adopting something similar. But I'm also not sure I'm that opposed to the present system, at least in theory, that's used in our country? I think the fact

    • by Afty0r ( 263037 )

      Wow that's pretty harsh. Do you mind if I ask (as a non-USian) what amounts you had on you? Such drugs are illegal where I live, but being caught with small amounts usually results in a minor punishment, and no "record for life".

  • Great News (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:23AM (#48167687) Journal
    Perhaps some of them could be repurposed as emergency management shelters.

    Hurricanes, flooding, and the occasional viral outbreak would be much easier to weather if some known infrastructure was already in place.

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:29AM (#48167727) Journal
    The main reason for the drop in prison population is because so many criminals in Wall Street went scot free after the 2009 crisis. Just make up the short fall in prison population by jailing the top people of large financial firms. They have long ago gone from "too big to fail" and "too big to jail" to "too big to be free".
  • Ahem. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:31AM (#48167735)

    I notice that the author couldn't resist putting some spin on the story - the part about relaxed drug enforcement.
    However -
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

    The government tells us that ALL crime is down. For example, from 2001-2011, the violent crime rate went down 21.9%.
    Everything dropped - property crimes, rape, the whole lot.

    • Re:Ahem. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by haruchai ( 17472 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:45AM (#48167823)

      Look at that table again - the most significant declines for most categories of crime was between 1992 and 2001. It even more dramatic when you consider the growth in population.
      So the cops have to explain why they're now equipped like they're tank battalions.

      • Re:Ahem. (Score:4, Funny)

        by cdrudge ( 68377 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @09:19AM (#48168025) Homepage

        Obviously the reason why crime is down is because they are equipped like tank battalions. We must equip them with more in order to keep lowering the crime rates. You don't want to see crime rates increase, do you? And if rates do happen to go up, obviously we didn't equip them well enough so they deserve EVEN MORE!

  • They are just making space.

    When someone said "everybody is infringing IP several times per day", most people took it as meaning "IP laws are wrong".

    When the MPAA and RIAA reacheed the same conclusion, they understood that if everybody was infringing IP, the only solution was to put everybody in jail.

  • Sold by Apple and Samsung.

    Who cares where the body is if they have captured the mind?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17, 2014 @08:42AM (#48167807)

    Is that geographical or alphabetical?

  • Can't we just outsource prisons?

    Send poor people to serve time in some third world hell hole. Send rich people to serve time in some vacation paradise.
  • I was having a hard time figuring out why the Republican candidate for Colorado governor was promising to roll back marijuana legalization. I mean why would a politician go against a law that got 55% approval on the ballot?

    (Note. The above is sarcasm. He's not such a cheap sell-out. He's just an ass-backward troglodyte throwback.)

  • Sounds like returning to the norm, from a foreigner's perspective.

    "The incarceration rate in the United States of America is the highest in the world."

    Something like EIGHT TIMES what it is in Europe, from what this page says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U... [wikipedia.org]

    Land of the free, indeed...

  • by emmjayell ( 780191 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @09:04AM (#48167931)

    Good for the programmers. 8x10 cubicle with it's own bathroom. Wired for high speed cablemodem. Has a door that closes so nobody can sneak up behind you while you are working.
    Good for the managers. Control smoke breaks and general working hours from a master control system. Video surveillance is taken to a whole new level.

  • by koan ( 80826 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @09:17AM (#48168009)

    Wow and really bad and a really scary way to put it, I envision authorities dreaming up ways to fill jails.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    They are bare bones buildings designed to accommodate people in the most basic conditions. They provide shelter, sanitation, feeding infrastructure, physical security, basic medical facilities, and even infrastructure to do productive work.

    Any American jail would be luxurious compared to living on the street. Open up empty jails to the homeless populations and food banks. Use the facilities to teach homeless people skills to do a job.

  • In a nutshell (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mr.mctibbs ( 1546773 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @09:29AM (#48168083)
    "There's a prisoner shortage"

    Framing it this way is typical of a mindset that is depressingly endemic in our culture. We do not have a shortage of prisoners, we have an excess of prisons.
  • by slashmydots ( 2189826 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @09:30AM (#48168091)
    "but can't be easily sold or repurposed"
    Bullshit! You know what you have to do to turn it into an airsoft and paintball facility? Put up a sign and a cash register.
  • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by J'raxis ( 248192 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @09:52AM (#48168257) Homepage

    1.6M? The U.S. prison population is 2,266,800 according to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]. It's been over 2M for years, and was 2,418,352 in 2008.

    • Re:2,266,800 (Score:5, Informative)

      by Kiwikwi ( 2734467 ) on Friday October 17, 2014 @10:38AM (#48168677)

      1.6M? The U.S. prison population is 2,266,800 according to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]. It's been over 2M for years, and was 2,418,352 in 2008.

      In the U.S., the word "prison" is more specific than you think. Look at the third figure from the top at your own link.

      In 2010, the U.S. prison population was ~1,518,000 (state and federal prisons). The U.S. jail population was ~749,000. The sum of those is 2,267,000; then comes another ~90,000 in juvenile detention (see the table below the figure). Add all these (and a bunch of smaller numbers, such as holding facilities for immigrants, and military facilities), you get the number of incarcerated people, which is the number you mention.

      But yes, AFAIK the U.S. still incarcerates more people than any other country in the world, both as a fraction of the population, and in absolute numbers. There's a long way down to the next on the list.

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