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UK Police Won't Comment On The Tracking of People's Phone Calls

samzenpus posted about 4 months ago | from the ask-me-that-later dept.

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Daniel_Stuckey writes You've maybe heard a bit about Stingray. Over the past couple of years, it has emerged that police forces in the US have been using the powerful surveillance tool, which tricks phones into connecting to a dragnet, to track mobile devices, and intercept calls and text messages. Meanwhile, the London Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) continue to remain tight lipped about their use of the technology, leaving citizens in the dark on what privacy protections, if any, are in place for those who may get swept up by the broad surveillance techniques.

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Of couse they are... (1)

buckfeta2014 (3700011) | about 4 months ago | (#47628369)

'nuff said.

Where was Orwell from? (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | about 4 months ago | (#47628413)

'nough said.

Re:Where was Orwell from? (1)

sound+vision (884283) | about 4 months ago | (#47628441)

'nougat said.

Re:Where was Orwell from? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628531)

Orwell didn't exist, his name was Eric Blair.

Re: Where was Orwell from? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628677)

His name was Eric Blair.

Re:Where was Orwell from? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628887)

and your name is anal retentive

Re:Where was Orwell from? (1)

Panoptes (1041206) | about 4 months ago | (#47629347)

Pen name taken from the river Orwell.

Re:Of couse they are... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628609)

... CROWN CORPORATION POLICY ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS

Babylon Is Fallen by kate u/v kaia
1. NAME: The master key to the entire system's/CROWN CORPORATION'S game. The
NAME is the lynch pin to the entire legal/control construct. Without a LEGAL NAME,
which is your consent by agreeing to be said NAME, the system vampires cannot literally
feed on your life blood/creation source energy that is typically shown in the physical
materials we collect. It is only the CONSENT to be/use/have a LEGAL NAME/Mark of the
Beast that is required for your absolute spiritual contract/deal with the devil motif to be
in FULL FORCE AND EFFECT with you as a SLAVE and them as MASTER. For PROOF of
this, look and see how much of your life/existence involves a LEGAL NAME and you will
see the measure of control the system has over you.
2. REGISTER/REGISTRATION etc. : Any/all things registered are FULLY SURRENDERED
with consent to the CROWN CORPORATION with NO legal recourse until such things are
removed by exposing the INTENT by those who serve the CROWN CORPORATION to
commit fraud knowingly/unknowingly.
ex: A child that is REGISTERED is CROWN PROPERTY by ignorant consent where the truth
of REGISTERING was not brought forth which is the original INTENT by CROWN
CORPORATION SERVANT'S OWNERS to have people offer their children unknowingly into
slavery of soul, and thus, body. It's the soul they're really after, so keep that in mind.
3. MONEY, GOLD, SILVER, ASSETS, BITCOIN etc. are ALL illusions of value where YOU are
the true creator of all physical manifestations. Money, external value, has been the tool
as the third party interloper "middle man" that has made draining your power possible.
Money or the like only has value if one has been duped into thinking it does. This illusion
is the ultimate distraction and destroyer of creator souls, literally. ALL money is based on
the soul CONTRACT commonly known as a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
4. BIRTH CERTIFICATE: The ORIGINAL SIN CONTRACT. The NAME you think/claim as
yours is NOT your creation. Your "assumed NAME" was created by your parents/family
members/adoptive kin, NOT YOU. This is an ORIGINAL CREATION manifested by another
that is, in turn, REGISTERED thus rendering it CROWN CORPORATION PROPERTY as
previously stated. It is upon this deception that YOUR literal soul was and is enslaved and
upon which ALL MONEY/DEBT is created. A DEBT BOND "value" was placed in the BIRTH
CERTIFICATE based on the assumed accruement of TAXES, LOANS, DEBTS a child is
expected to pay as long as they are part of this FRAUD upon humanity.
ex: If someone is expected to pay a certain amount of taxes etc. in their lifetime, the
BOND is given a DEBT "VALUE". A child born into a wealthy family will have a higher debt
bond value than someone who is of a lesser perceived "income bracket" rating. This is
slave trading at its finest which divides and conquers humanity in the
SERF/CASTE/HIERARCHY system that encompasses the planet.
5. COMMAND AND CONTROL: The courts and governments are the system slaves
within, bought and paid for where the true command and control aspects are the
POLICE/MILITARY as the front line dogs and fear contractors for those above the courts
and governments such as the BANKS/RELIGIONS and those that control them. The courts
and governments are merely the filler for this "sandwich" of deception and illusion.
Without the ability to CONTRACT via any/all NAMES at the front line level, the whole
system of control is destroyed, most importantly those at the very top of this spiritual
slavery pyramid. Without the NAME, all levels above are ultimately annihilated
completely.
6. THE TRIPLE CROWN: This consists of ROME, CITY OF LONDON CROWN CORPORATION
and WASHINGTON D.C. They are the unholy trinity of the 3 in 1, 1 in 3 as illustrated
clearly in the Papal Crown: Religion, to control the beliefs, minds and spirituality of
humanity, the Courts and Banks to control the money/bonds and the world Police/
Military to quash rebellion and act as frontline contractors of soul extractions.
7. PRINCIPALITIES OF DARKNESS: This is the true nature of the game that the vastness of
humanity is blind to. Religions have been used to separate you from source by making
one believe "god" is external and use the "savior" program to reinforce this. Money is
the tool that is used to keep people in the physical-only realm by getting them to equate
an external "value" on everything where nothing would exist without the people and
their creativity. Physical death and harm is the tool used to clamp down your true
essence which is all creation itself. The tools employed are languages with the
corruption of pure frequency intent with multiple meanings of the same
sounds/frequencies, using WORDS and SPELLINGS (literally), thus dividing and
conquering us and redirecting our energy into THEIR creations and control. These
entities CANNOT create anything since they are soulless and thus, utterly powerless.
They know this and are absolutely terrified because this spells their doom, once and for
all. We are life with consciousness where these entities are consciousness without
life/soul/spirit. They are COMPLETELY AND SOLELY DEPENDENT on getting our CONSENT
or spiritual contract agreement and this is easily achieved through the NAME deception,
buying people off, ego comforts etc. Their whole house of cards/pyramid is BASED on
this FACT. We are the fuel for their system/vehicle. Without spiritual fuel, they are
destroyed.
The biggest program that we run into with the masses is the sheer disbelief of their own
power and who they truly are. A masterful job has been done to get humanity to this
level of spiritual weakness and complete ignorance. This was the intent of corrupting the
ancient truths, re-writing our past and presenting this in schools, churches and all levels
of ego academia. Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it. It is far easier
selling a giant lie to the masses than selling us one by one. The media is the main tool of
thought direction and manipulation to reinforce the lies we were filled with as children
and up to our current state.
We have many soulless entities on this planet with the vast majority being placed in
positions of power and control, be it police, courts, media, churches, governments,
schools, military at ALL levels. Fear is their only tool and once one sees one's own true
immortal nature, one becomes untouchable; literally. The mass hypnosis of humanity is
deep and you will meet all levels of resistance from friends, family, co-workers etc. so
don't bother trying to wake those consenting to be dead. The facts to prove this are all
there for all to see so it is up to them to look, not you. Simply plant the seed and walk
away. They are the same as the ones in the allegory of Noah that came to the ark too
late; let them drown.
We are now at the culmination of destroying these entities once and for all and they are
pulling out all the fear porn, illusion and desperation plugs and in that process, they're
sinking their own ship where I merely hand them a better plug-puller now. YOU and only
YOU can save yourself and no-one else so stop killing yourself trying. Let the dead bury
the dead and perhaps they'll "get it" on the next pass but they are NOT your concern.
Stay the course. The path home is the one of truth only and nothing else. Your
willingness to stand in truth is yours alone and to the degree that you stand will be the
same degree that you become untouchable spiritually and, as a result, physically. As
above, so below after all.
There is no "middle ground" here, you're either in or out of Babylon. You are either
master or slave, mortal or immortal. The soul, YOU, are infinite where the body is merely
a biological computer you operate. Your computer was infiltrated and corrupted
(reptilian brain stem/fused chromosomes) and separated from the heart source mind.
The soulless ones cannot experience compassion so don't expect them to. They are the
same as the Terminator droids in the movies, programmed to control and kill without
remorse and are easy to spot. They are everywhere including your own family, friends
etc. and all you have to do is "feel" your way through. Let your instincts and your heart
be your guide.
We are clearing this reality of these parasites exponentially now where universal law
reigns supreme where none shall or can trespass. They are masters of deception so do
not let your loving compassion be used against you, something that has been their most
powerful tools. The bio-borg entities are already lifeless and are dependent only on
being able to suck the life out of you but, like every vampire, they cannot enter your
reality without an invitation. Every use of the legal NAME is the only invitation they need
so best cut your ties and consent with that. Just get this concept and you have already
cut the puppet strings and your causal ability returns instantly in relation to your ability
to be responsible with that ultimate of powers.
To the "walking dead" (and you know what you are) , your time is over, your deceptions
are powerless and now moment by now moment, you are being erased from
consciousness for the invading parasites you are. We, of the living soul, are awake,
aware and reclaiming our reality where yours never existed. In short, yes, you are
doomed. Have a nice day! kate!!!

ATTENTION: LAW/BY-LAW ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY etc.
Did you know that?..........
1. You have oathed your living soul to a dead, fictional CORPORATION namely the CROWN CORPORATION, CITY OF
LONDON, STATE and are, in fact, a FOREIGN COMBATANT and ENEMY OF THE STATE wherever you live outside of
aforementioned "Square Mile"/CITY OF LONDON, STATE?
2. By virtue of you claiming to be the NAME on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE, you are, in fact, committing FRAUD and
furthermore, AIDING AND ABETTING/ENTICING INTO SLAVERY every living soul you demand a NAME from
inasmuch as they too are committing FRAUD via COMMISSION/OMISSION of this fact through ignorance of it?
3. You are, in fact, committing the CRIME of FALSE IMPERSONATION by wearing the very uniform of a FALSE
IMPERSONATION separate from your true, living self?
4. The very MASTERS you serve consider you "dogs" (dogtags ring a bell?) and will use you until your usefulness
runs out and YOU become "collateral damage" like those that you kill, steal from, rape, entice into slavery etc. et al
in the everyday "execution of your duties"?
5. The very people you are being told are your enemy are actually the ones trying to awaken you and the rest of
humanity to the crimes you are committing knowingly/unknowingly by/for your MASTERS where you are
guaranteeing your own slavery inasmuch as the very NAME you think of as you is a DEAD, CORPORATE
FICTION/BOND/CORPORATION that is the PROPERTY OF THE CROWN CORPORATION that renders you and all NONTEMPLE
B.A.R. MEMBERS/humanity D.O.A./DEAD ON ARRIVAL when you're/we're born?
6. That "I was just following orders" is not a DEFENCE from/of Universal Law whereby YOU are FULLY
RESPONSIBLE/known by/for your actions of ALL injury you in-gage/in pledge in knowingly/unknowingly by/for
COMMISSION/OMISSION of any/all CRIMES you perpetrate where, by virtue of your "UNCLEAN HANDS" STATUS,
everything you do in the EXECUTION OF YOUR DUTIES is, in fact, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY?
7. Inasmuch as YOU are not a TEMPLE B.A.R. (BRITISH ACCREDITED REGISTRY) MEMBER, YOU are like the rest of
humanity where using/claiming/acting as the NAME REGISTERED to the CROWN CORPORATION and all the ORDERS
you give/receive are, in fact, done so in FRAUD under FALSE IMPERSONATION which is a CAPITAL CRIME and every
ACTION you partake in, you do so to the detriment of your fellow NON-B.A.R. MEMBER humanity such as family,
friends, kin etc. who are as ENSLAVED as YOU where you are AIDING AND ABETTING in that ENTICEMENT TO
SLAVERY which is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
Yes, you are the enablers of those that control YOU and the lives of your family and those of every family on the
face of this Earth. While the concepts may not be immediately visible, it is merely important to me to make YOU
aware of your crimes of commission/omission where ignorance of these FACTS are known to you now rendering
you WILFULLY CONSENTING where ignorance isn’t, never was nor ever will be a position of defense. Every act you
continue to do make you the “undertakers” of Humanity, as a whole. Every ticket you write, every life you take,
every home you help steal only shows clearly that your soul is for sale inasmuch as you do all these things for
money that was created on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE/SOUL BOND rendering you as much a vampire as those you
serve. You are the DEAD, CARRYING OUT THE DEAD. By your actions, YOU are known. For more PROOF of this
reality pop by http://kateofgaia.wordpress.com It might be an idea to bring a mirror with you to ask yourself WHO
YOU REALLY ARE. It’s time you rose above your “dogs for the elite” status non?

http://losethename.com
http://kateofgaia.wordpress.com

Well (5, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | about 4 months ago | (#47628373)

...leaving citizens in the dark on what privacy protections, if any, are in place...

I'll give you a hint, there aren't any.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628431)

This. Any you think remain are just a 'terrorist threat' from gone...

Re:Well (2)

Beriaru (954082) | about 4 months ago | (#47628481)

They dont need any esoteric piece of technology. Just a call to the carrier, and there you are: all your sms and conversations. And thats for an anonymous citizen. If they have you in a list, you provably have a man in the middle for all your internet traffic.

Re:Well (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628509)

AIPAC means that:
A vote for the Democrats is a vote for Jewish power.
A vote for the Republicans is a vote for Jewish power.

Facebook: Owned by Jews.
Google: Owned by Jews.
Tesla: Owned by Jews.
etc...

Sequoia Capital. A Jewish penis fucking the American stockmarket. Their web site proudly lists how deep their tentacles go.

Let's take our nation back.
No more Jews in banking.
No more Jews in Hollywood.
No more Jews in media.
No more Jews controlling the Internet.

Re:Well (-1, Troll)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 4 months ago | (#47628561)

Maybe if you pulled your fingers out of your ass you could actually try to do something and beat the Jews at their own game, you know, by being smarter than them. Or are you just asserting they're smarter than you? In that case, I'd say they deserve to be in these places.

/trollFeeding

Re:Well (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628567)

They are not 'smarter' - they just *always* make their best to help each other and to fuck over any non-Jew.

Re:Well (1, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 4 months ago | (#47628617)

isn't helping each other some form of intelligence? Given that it brought them to all those places, I'd say it is. So yes, smarter.

Re:Well (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628725)

no mate, the British police use a (*)DATONG imsi catcher, similar to the Harris 'ray' series but better designed & cheaper. They deploy it in London when they want to work-out who is present in a particular area, around a square mile. They of course are also able ask for retained data from the 'phone companies, but they do own and operate passive/active fake cell tower devices. The legality of imsi catcher use by the police in the UK is uncertain.
In London it's also allegedly common to be asked by a Police officer if he can 'just have a quick look at your smartphone' - wherupon he dumps the entire content into the NSA database, in around 20 seconds, or 25 seconds if you have a 4-digit PIN code on your iPhone.

FACTS:
consider using minimum 6-digit alphanumeric pass-phrases for locking your phone if you don't want your entire life analysed forever.
As others have commented you can be aware of Ãactive IMISI catcherÃ(TM) Cell-ID - but this can trivially be spoofed & Ãpassive IMSI catchingÃ(TM) is also an infowar weapon, and impossible to spot. simply donÃ(TM)t use the current generation of communication devices!

(*)DATONG is a high-tech UK company based in Yorkshire, producing excellent products over the years for the Amateur (Ham) Radio market. Nowadays they seem to do defence/attack devices which are great when used against criminals - but less exciting when used routinely against average citizens.

It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen....

Re:Well (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 4 months ago | (#47628803)

Thank you Eric Snowden, for doing the right thing at the time it needed to be done.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628841)

who is Eric Snowden?

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47629191)

Edward Snowden's half-step-cousin-fifth-removed-in-law, the source of the second leak [slashdot.org]

The entire THING is extra judicial. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628391)

Once you've established that it's illegal, why are you expecting legal protections to apply to its use? That's like torturing people with doctors. Ok, bad example.

It's not extra-judicial (4, Informative)

Bruce66423 (1678196) | about 4 months ago | (#47628473)

There is an judicial organisation with responsibility for oversight of this. The question is whether they are doing their job, and whether the penalties for abuse are sufficient. Given that the answer to both is probably 'no', we clearly do have a problem, but it's too simple to say it is 'extra-judicial'.

Re:It's not extra-judicial (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628499)

Bullshit doublespeak. The law says such devices are illegal and that's a separate issue from regulators being captured/derelict.

Re:It's not extra-judicial (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628551)

By that standard, nothing is ever extra-judicial. The most atrocious human rights violations were committed under the rule of law. An oversight committee is - in practice - admission that so much abuse is going to happen that under no circumstances can those affected be allowed to be informed or even get legal recourse, lest the system would collapse.

Re:It's not extra-judicial (1)

advocate_one (662832) | about 4 months ago | (#47628675)

deliberately kept underfunded, understaffed and their terms of reference are defined so tightly that they cannot actually do anything...

It's not extra-judicial (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628771)

no offense, but your country and ours (US) is a load of bullshit, here we have "secretive courts" which of course the Supreme Court (for one reason or another) refuse to announce as illegal? Citizens who don't know or care because they are to obsessed over their status in life based on material goods, or because one or both (if you have a "spouse") have to work ridiculous hours at your jobs (regardless of educational status).

I know about this bullshit, but what I'm I going to do? Rise up and become a leader to another handful of people that are going to care? Lets say I was able to become someone who convinced a majority to care, you know the-powers-that-be would ruin me and the movement as terrorists, hell with what they can do they can just upload child porn on my computer then say I downloaded it! Thats really the whole point of all this "National Security" bullshit, to control people!

   

Re: It's not extra-judicial (1)

tom229 (1640685) | about 4 months ago | (#47629965)

No true revolution can be held up by a single man. We'd all have to be leaders.

That being said, privacy violations will never spawn a revolution. The average person is motivated by short term conveniences, not long term ideals. Keep the population fed, busy, and entertained and you should be able to get away with anything.

Re:It's not extra-judicial (1)

ATMAvatar (648864) | about 4 months ago | (#47629685)

In the case of the US, it's a secret court with secret proceedings - as far as anyone knows, the actual approval for surveillance is rubber-stamped by circus clowns. Even then, it was shown that much of our surveillance was done without consulting the special "court". I don't see why we should assume the UK system is any different.

Re:It's not extra-judicial (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47629731)

Sure the UK system is different. There, the clown judges have powdered white wigs instead of curly orange wigs.

Re:It's not extra-judicial (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47629951)

No, the real question is just what level of force is appropriate self defense when the crime being attempted against you is the removal of your rights as a person.

"Being no longer a person" sounds pretty deadly to me, so I think lethal force should be just right.

Perhaps (3, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about 4 months ago | (#47628529)

Meanwhile, the London Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) continue to remain tight lipped about their use of the technology,

perhaps they don't want to admit that they don't know how to work the damned thing. Truncheons and battering rams fine, but computers are a little tricky

Re: Perhaps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628683)

So what? Brawns beat brains any time. The smartest guy on the block will always lose in a direct confrontation with the strongest guy. And when the strongest bully is backed by the State, you cannot play by your strengths (as pitiful as they are). You will always lose.

Re:Perhaps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628687)

Never attribute to incompetence what can be attributed to malice.

They may not be able to use it any better than my grandmother does occulus rift, but that's only on an operational, terror-stopping, horrid-crime-preventing level.
It'll take them about two weeks before the system was even implemented in order to figure out how to spy on "loved" ones, "accidentally" the people they don't like for arrest and elimination, and accumulate personal and industrial blackmail and sensitive data materials.

It may be very complicated protecting the peace with it, but the abuse is just unwrapping gifts at christmas!*

*which by the way they hope to confiscate next time you fly.

ECHR (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628533)

The European Court of Human Rights recently ruled that collecting and storing IP addresses, as mandated by a related directive, is illegal. This is considered to be collecting evidence of a possible crime that may or may not happen in the future and before the person is even a suspect. The same most likely applies to phone records to a certain extent, too. I'm curious to see how this plays out in the next few years.

Re:ECHR (1)

Teun (17872) | about 4 months ago | (#47628563)

Probably means another reason for the UK to withdraw from the EU.

Of course all in the name of greater democracy.

Re:ECHR (1)

alex67500 (1609333) | about 4 months ago | (#47628859)

47 countries have signed the ECHR convention, only 27 are in the EU. Turkey, for instance, has been found guilty by the ECHR for not providing fair trials, but they aren't part of the EU.

In short, the UK leaving the EU would most likely not mean they will leave the jurisdiction of the ECHR.

Re:ECHR (1)

Teun (17872) | about 4 months ago | (#47637563)

Absolutely but logic doesn't always makes you look good and re-elected.

Re:ECHR (1)

gsnedders (928327) | about 4 months ago | (#47629611)

Related is Malone v. The United Kingdom (1984) on wiretapping of phone lines.

Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (2)

stiggle (649614) | about 4 months ago | (#47628583)

As each cell has a CID (Cell ID) you can get software which will display this, and other, information.
If you know what the CID should be for a specific area then you can restrict your phone use if you don't recognise the CID.

eg. 2 phones - one a burner you NEVER use, but is always on so you can track the CID,
Your main phone you only switch on when you trust the CID of the cell you're in to make the calls.

A public database of Cell ID - http://opencellid.org/ [opencellid.org] Its a little out on some of its info, but its a good starting point.

Re:Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628639)

You're assuming that it's happening at the cell tower level. It probably isn't. For a start that'd be 1) obvious and 2) fail to catch them when out of that cell's area.

It's far more likely they're working with the mobile networks to route calls to/from those numbers through their own servers and recording it in that way.

Re:Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (4, Interesting)

l_bratch (865693) | about 4 months ago | (#47628707)

Even if it is happening at cell tower level, who's to say they don't just duplicate a cell ID?

Re:Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47628715)

You need the cell id and its approximate signal strength at your location. There are messages phones can send to the tower to say "hi, what is my signal strength?" and that answer should be about the same. Most cell towers now have several cells too so that could be useful too. After all this same technique is how many phones use wifi to figure out where they are. I've seen ads for devices that can tell you the signal strength of a phone from an aircraft. Two points and you have a location.

Re:Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 4 months ago | (#47628951)

Sounds like you could write an app that automatically compares the CID to the database and alerts you to discrepancies.

Re:Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47629861)

It's called Spidey and already exists on GitHub.

Re:Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (1)

itschy (992394) | about 4 months ago | (#47629017)

That is exactly what this [spideyapp.com] is meant to achieve.

Re:Use a Cell ID identifier on a phone (1)

coofercat (719737) | about 4 months ago | (#47629175)

How about RedPhone + TextSecure?

Although if cells are your bag, then Llama can trigger events based on the ones you're tuned to.

You need to ask? (4, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | about 4 months ago | (#47628611)

Ok, let me spell it out for you:

- No privacy protection whatsoever. If you take nude pictures, they will be shared around or if you leave your phone on during sex they will be listening.
- No need for reasonable suspicion to do this to you, a whim is enough.
- And no accountability at all on their side.

Clear?

And Don't Forget (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47630161)

Without the minimum levels of oversight, procedure and permanent documentation that come with, say, having a warrant done, All of that evidence can *also* just appear on those same whims.

At that point having the full hammer of the law strike down upon you could be as simple as your ex wife's cousin's girlfriend hearing just now about your divorce and thinking "wow, what an asshole. Oh hey I got 5 minutes anyways..." you (now) tax-evading liberal-voting pedophile.

Re:You need to ask? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47633833)

Counterpoints as required.

- Data Protection Act & UK libel laws.. Personally identifiable information, regardless of format, cannot be disseminated without the data subjects approval unless a specifc court order exists, nor can it be kept any longer than it is needed (therefore, data irrelevant to an in investigation is already illegal to retain). Trying to get around this by 'sharing' it would fall afoul under UK libel laws, under which 'truth' is not a defence; if the data subject (the person in the picture) can show that there is a balance of probability that the picture was disseminated to discredit them, then anyone involved is up shit creek.

- See the DPA again. A whim is not enough. Even if they got access without violation wiretapping laws etc, information must be relevant to an existing investigation or purged.

- And again. The law exists already, which is probably why the MET isn't commenting. If they say something and lawyers see even a tiny crack in what they say, the discovery process that follows would be extremely expensive - and possibly very embarrassing - for them. Being quiet doesn't automatically mean they're guilty of anything untoward, it just means that they're prioritising self-preservation - a priority that makes sense with all the embarrassing stories that have been in the media over the last year.

Privacy? Protections? (1)

Chas (5144) | about 4 months ago | (#47630081)

Here's the answer.

*Plays loop of loud, sarcastic laughter*

This is England (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47630219)

Here in England we dont do freedom anymore, it was far more important what was on the TV or what football was on,
Free speech died. was nice while it lasted though. Opression is here !

Well yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47632131)

Every country in the world right now is pretending they don't take part in the evil spying/surveillance schemes the US uses. Sure the UK is the most (video)surveilled country on the planet, but they'd never stoop so low as to listen in on a phone call.

I suspect my phone has connected to a Stingray (1)

Jiggy (114468) | about 4 months ago | (#47641651)

I run along the Thames Embankment (London Bridge to Westminster via St Paul's Cathedral and back) at lunch time and during the St Paul's Protest Camp my smartphone would misbehave when I ran past it. It would also need a reboot on my return for it to make/receive calls again. Never happened anywhere else or at anytime else. 2+2 equals buggy Stringray deployment?
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