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Firefox 30 Available, Firebug 2.0 Released

Soulskill posted about 6 months ago | from the 30-is-over-the-hill dept.

Firefox 270

Today Mozilla made Firefox 30 available, a relatively minor release after the massive redesign in version 29. According to the changelog, new features include VP9 video decoding, support for Opus in WebM, and horizontal volume control for HTML5 video and audio. Developers got support for multi-line flexboxes and hang reporting for background threads. There were also a number of security fixes. The Android version of Firefox received better support for native text selection, cutting, and copying, as well as predictive lookup for Awesomebar entries. The availability of Firefox 30 coincides with the launch of Firebug 2.0, which features an updated UI and a new debugging engine called JSD2. Significant new features include JavaScript syntax highlighting and de-minifying, improved code auto-complete, and the capability to hide or show individual Firebug panels.

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Please, please just stop... (4, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | about 6 months ago | (#47206607)

...with this rapid release schedule. Firefox is trying to update more often than Java nowadays.

Run an unstable branch like everyone else, and run a testing/beta branch to become the next stable. It will make life a lot easier.

Re:Please, please just stop... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206649)

Ok. /Firefox development team on Slashdot

Re:Please, please just stop... (1)

reub2000 (705806) | about 6 months ago | (#47206699)

They call them channels, not branches.

Re:Please, please just stop... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207201)

They can call it whatever they want, it is still branches and FF copying Chrome in every aspect is not what is going to keep FF alive.

First they copied Chrome's retarded versioning, now with FF 29, the default UI looks EXACTLY like Chrome.

Firefox is run by a pack of retards. They need to clean house, starting with that epic dumbfuck Asa Dotzler.

Re:Please, please just stop... (5, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | about 6 months ago | (#47207491)

More to the point, if I'm going to be stuck using a browser that looks exactly like Chrome, I may as well use Chrome.

I'm basically using Firefox for historical reasons, ie, I'm lazy and I'm disinclined to change without a real need to do so. But I've been forced to change before, from Mosiac, from Netscape Navigator, from Netscape Communicator, and from Mozilla. What's another change?

Re:Please, please just stop... (1, Insightful)

reub2000 (705806) | about 6 months ago | (#47207537)

They just copied the things that work, you know like faster handling of javascript, and not taking up half the screen with useless toolbars. They took what worked and put their own spin on it, and it looks very different from chrome. It would be a fine browser if they could squash a few bugs.

Re:Please, please just stop... (5, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 6 months ago | (#47206733)

...with this rapid release schedule. Firefox is trying to update more often than Java nowadays.

For the most part I haven't minded, and for the most part, the changes have been appreciated.

However, version 29 revamped the entire toolbar customization scheme. Which has caused problems. Not only did it force me to move my refresh button (which for many years I kept on the left where it belongs next to the other navigation buttons), but it also eliminated the "addon bar" (which was historically the "status bar" at the bottom). That change broke the interfaces of a couple of add-ons I use.

Also, version 29 broke a web-crawling tool I use frequently. I got that fixed, but I should not have had to.

ENOUGH WITH THE CHROME BULLSHIT! PLEASE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207015)

You're totally right. Things are OUT OF FUCKING CONTROL at Mozilla.

It's like the Firefox devs all take turns SHITTING AND PISSING INTO A BUCKET in between releases. Then when it's time to put out a new release, they take a spatula, dip it into this bucket of festering feces, and SMEAR THIS RANCID, SMELLY SEWAGE SOUP across the faces of all of the Firefox users out there.

I'm serious about this. Firefox used to be my favorite browser. It was faster than IE, it was more secure than IE, and it had better standards support than IE. Then Chrome came along and forced Firefox to actually compete for once. Instead of stepping up to the plate to face this challenge, the Firefox devs slipped and fell on their collective asses. They lost all of their ability to innovate, and instead have subjected us to cheap, slutty imitations of Chrome's hipsteresque UI from hell.

As much as I despise its UI, because it is total shit after all, I do admit to using Chrome. At least it still isn't as slow as a DOG TURD SMEARED ON THE SIDEWALK , like Firefox still is, even after many years of them making one bullshit claim after another about Firefox getting 'faster' and 'leaner'. And it's not like I'd get a good UI if I switched to Firefox, now that Firefox is sporting Chrome's masterfully terrible UI.

We aren't alone. Based on my popular web site's stats, Firefox's share is plummeting. It used to be over 40% some months. But it hasn't been over 10% since the start of the year. I think that its users are getting tired of getting THE CACA OF FIREFOX'S UI in their mouths, and have instead moved to Chrome like I have.

Re:ENOUGH WITH THE CHROME BULLSHIT! PLEASE! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207415)

My betting is that the top dogs at Mozilla have been paid handsomely to shutter Firefox and make the transition to Chrome as smooth as possible. Firefox has really been Google's project for a long time now, in financial terms, and they don't need it any more.

Re:ENOUGH WITH THE CHROME BULLSHIT! PLEASE! (3, Insightful)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 6 months ago | (#47207947)

Firefox's share is plummeting

While I am not quite as vehement about it as you, I agree to some extent. Firefox has been trying to Chrome-ify its interface, and it sucks. It needs to go back to its roots.

And goddamn Google for harming it. Firefox is our last best hope for a non-intrusive, "independent" browser. Firefox needs to start looking -- HARD -- for better outside funding.

Re:Please, please just stop... (4, Informative)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#47206895)

If you don't like it, switch to the ESR channel.
It's still based on Firefox 24, the next one wont be till FF 31. It's kept up to date in terms of security fixes for 9 mainstream releases.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/... [mozilla.org]

Re:Please, please just stop... (3, Interesting)

Mister_Stoopid (1222674) | about 6 months ago | (#47207153)

Ugh, my 24 ESR is going away in just one more release? I thought I solved this firefox update problem for myself by going to ESR but I guess it was just a (very) short term bandaid...

Re:Please, please just stop... (2)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207577)

"Extended" means you stop having the life span of a mayfly and start having the life span of a cockroach.

Re:Please, please just stop... (5, Insightful)

Excelcia (906188) | about 6 months ago | (#47207655)

Most everyone is aware of the ESR. This is just a bandaid over the real problem. Chrome was designed from the very beginning with a rapid release schedule in mind. Release numbers in Chrome are essentially meaningless. Firefox adopted the same rapid release schedule as Chrome in a project that wasn't designed for it either technically or from a project management or project cultural perspective. Firefox gave addon developers the finger as they constantly broke extensions and themes. They carelessly spent valuable resources trying to make Firefox extensions less reliant on versions numbers, which only more badly broke legacy extensions, and rather than using resources to actually help extension authors, they wasted them on semi-automatic systems to catch non-compliant extensions and disable them. Which left users high and dry when they were forced to upgrade (lest they get left behind on security fixes) and lose functionality. More and more UI changes were forced on users, despite in some cases, clear majority opposition. Mozilla has consistently adopted a "we know best" attitude when it comes to what users want. And it shows, with marketshare stagnant. Google is still a major funder of Mozilla, and it's easy to see they think it money well invested. They make Chrome and then pay Mozilla to implode trying to slavishly copy their success.

Who wants to go to an ESR that is a bandaid on a bad system? You just place yourself in the eye of the storm for a short time.

No project can emulate another project and outcompete it. ESR's are not the answer. I personally have moved to PaleMoon. It too is based on a Firefox ESR, but at least they are committed to sane development and user-based UI decisions.

Re:Please, please just stop... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207197)

.
  I gotta write me a new minivan!

Re:Please, please just stop... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207247)

Why is this modded troll? Mozilla are simply rapid-fire updating to keep up with chrome. Firefox 4 to 28 were essentially maintenance releases just fixing things then they go full on chrome with australis in 29 and 30 is another maintenance release.

Updating firefox is a pain in the ass for me, i have to backup my profile folder, run firefox as admin, install update, close it, run it again as user, close and finally start running it again in sandboxie and then fix the shortcuts to run firefox in sandboxie because firefox overwrites them. Then about 25% of the time my RSS addon screws up and i need to reinstall the entire thing and copy my previously backed up profile folder back. Unless it fixes a security bug it's more trouble than it's worth for me to update it.

Re:Please, please just stop... (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 6 months ago | (#47207371)

Stable exists. Run the Eric S Raymond [mozilla.org] release (ESR), which is currently pinned to v24.

To infinity and beyond! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206613)

Version 30? Pssssh. I've been using version 35 since it was released 5 minutes ago.

Edit: Oh shit they just released version 36!

Re:To infinity and beyond! (2, Funny)

TWX (665546) | about 6 months ago | (#47206677)

I'm having flashbacks to the movie Airplane!...

Now arriving at version 29, version 29, version 30...

Re:To infinity and beyond! (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207601)

And Mozilla's getting laaarger!

Re:To infinity and beyond! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206977)

-- For immediate release --

Firefox version creates puzzle for physicists

Firefox's rapid release schedule attained a new height yesterday when two consecutive Firefox versions were released 4*10^-44 seconds apart, less than the Planck time of 5*10^-44 seconds. "This should be physically impossible", said a prominent physicist, "this delay is too short for anything to happen, even at the subatomic level." Some skeptics speculated that the Firefox versions could have been designed in parallel and merely released 4*10^-44 seconds apart, but careful analysis of logs show that this is not the case and that a full development cycle occurred between the two releases. "We have a mystery on our hands", concluded the physicist.

Re:To infinity and beyond! (1)

narcc (412956) | about 6 months ago | (#47207907)

Oh, wow! That's FUNNY! I can't stop LAUGHING!

Yeah, Mozilla sure does make frequent updates to their browser! HILARIOUS!

Nothing tickles the ol' ribs more than regular software updates!

Does it have that bullshit Firefox 29 theme? (4, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about 6 months ago | (#47206615)

If yes then I'm still not using it. Palemoon all the way.

Re:Does it have that bullshit Firefox 29 theme? (1)

TWX (665546) | about 6 months ago | (#47206647)

I found a replacement to make it look like the previous iteration of Firefox. You're definitely not the only person that doesn't like what they did.

Re:Does it have that bullshit Firefox 29 theme? (2)

kbrannen (581293) | about 6 months ago | (#47206889)

+10 :) I was pleased to find the Linux version of Palemoon; it's my preferred browser now.

LOL, everybody hates Firefox's UI now! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207211)

It's totally hilarious how almost EVERY SINGLE PERSON outside of Mozilla who has had to use Firefox 29 has totally hated its UI. The most positive responses I've seen so far have been from people saying that they only kind of hate it. For each response like that, I see hundreds more from people who absolutely, indisputably, completely hate it to its very core!

I think this is funny as funny can be. The Firefox UI designers have created something that's universally hated! It's not just a little bit of hate from a few people here and there. It's total, unmitigated, unrelenting hatred for the Firefox 29 UI! LOL!

Re:LOL, everybody hates Firefox's UI now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207417)

"Firefox Australis - more unpopular than Hitler"

Re:LOL, everybody hates Firefox's UI now! (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207623)

Firefox 29, now with a lower approval rating than Windows 8.

Re:LOL, everybody hates Firefox's UI now! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207503)

The Firefox UI designers have created something that's universally hated! It's not just a little bit of hate from a few people here and there. It's total, unmitigated, unrelenting hatred for the Firefox 29 UI!

Yeah, thats the new business strategy of Mozilla corporation. Instead of relying on google money, they try to create universal pure hatred. Have you noticed the jumping bookmark star on the start page? This serves them as hatred collector. The code animating the star creates a websocket connection to mozilla headquarters, on which the hatred is transmitted into a black box in their basement with the label "hatred". When the box is full, they sell the hatred on the international hatred market. In recent years prices rose. Hatred has become a certain place to invest your money into. It doesn't foul, you get a good interest, and even if the prices fall, you can apply the hatred to anyone you want to be hated. Its extremely powerful. Its used by everyone. You won't find any despote, fortune 500 person, or politician that haven't used channeled hatred to fulfill their goals. Taken by weight, hatred is far more expensive than $500 bank notes.

This step by Mozilla is considered by insiders to be a huge innovation in the hatred mining business. Experts speak of a new era in the global hatred market.
Even if you have moral objections against mozilla selling the hatred of its users, you should consider that their move makes them less reliant on google. As you have already pointed out, the hatred they get is pure. They will get a good price for your hatred.

If you want to support mozilla, you should encourage your friends to hate the new UI even more and more totally than now. To ensure all hatred gets collected, your friends should watch the blue star as it jumps around. Mozilla is currently refining the hatred collector, but right now this step is neccessary. I've heard rumors that they want to merge the hatred collector with the new EME DRM plugin. This way your hatred gets channelled while you watch netflix videos. But I doubt that netflix will like this hatred piracy, as, by international law, the hatred is their property.

Re:LOL, everybody hates Firefox's UI now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207731)

i switched form chrome to ff because of teh new UI. Chrome fucked up their new tab page with that google search bullshit, so I was done with them. Then FF29 went and made a UI that wasn't complete and utter shit (4's UI was nice too, but all the intermediate steps sucked balls). So yeah, 29 >> 28. I still use classic theme to get tabs that have contrast, but that's about it.

Any UI that has that range FF eyesore "start" button is a UI that deserves to be shot. No seriously. Whoever thought that was a good idea, and anyone who agrees with them, should be sterilized before they pass their genes on to the next generation.

Re:LOL, everybody hates Firefox's UI now! (-1)

narcc (412956) | about 6 months ago | (#47207925)

Every single person outside of Mozilla, you say?

Universally hated, you say?

Not much of a thinker, are you?

Re:Does it have that bullshit Firefox 29 theme? (1)

marsu_k (701360) | about 6 months ago | (#47207447)

On Linux (the opensuse-kde-friendly fork, running on Arch though), I cannot say I've found 29 that different. The tabs are more rounded, yes, but other than that, the difference is quite minimal. Instead of having a menu link on the left of the tabs, it's on the right of the location/search bars - I pretty much never use it anyway, so I don't really care.

On Windows 7 it is distracting, but I never liked the Aero transparency anyway. But on KDE, a non-issue personally. If Firebug works better, I'm all for it.

Re:Does it have that bullshit Firefox 29 theme? (2)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207787)

Under windows the menu is just gone, replaced by the thing on the right that only has the most popular menu items. It doesn't really seem more useful to do this, especially when every other application either conforms to existing system UI standards or has an Office style ribbon, so having yet a third UI type is strange. This is a serious problem I think.

The title bar has shrunk to being nearly nonexistent (or more precisely, a slightly fatter tabs bar exists), so moving around Firefox by the titlebar is not as easy as it used to be, and as well you do not see the full title of the page you are viewing without additional user actions.

Having more of a curve on the tabs is not so bad, except that it's just another waste of developer time perhaps for something no one wanted and which does not look like other applications. None of this is about working better, but looks like change for change's sake.

If they really want to save space, then they should revert that round "back" button they added awhile back so it's not so tall.

And the layout? (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 6 months ago | (#47206635)

Does it still require Classic Theme Restorer?

And the layout? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206687)

Yes

Re:And the layout? (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206877)

>Does it still require WeUnfuckedEverythingYouFucked.xpi?

Yes.

Re:And the layout? (1)

NotInHere (3654617) | about 6 months ago | (#47207061)

For me, its not the xpi file but the alt key. You will see the old menu, as you knew it.

Re:And the layout? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207561)

For me, its not the xpi file but the alt key. You will see the old menu, as you knew it.

thanks for the tip +1

Re:And the layout? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207215)

But of course. And what additional plugin it requires now to restore the changed and removed functionality?

Wrong version? (2)

MurukeshM (1901690) | about 6 months ago | (#47206655)

The linked changelog and description are for Firefox 28. For FF 30: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/30.0/releasenotes/ [mozilla.org] . Even accounting for FF's release schedule and for Slashdot delay, that's a bit much. Only important change for me as an end-user looks to be:
Ignore autocomplete="off" when offering to save passwords via the password manager (see 956906)

Memory usage fixed? (3, Interesting)

riverat1 (1048260) | about 6 months ago | (#47206683)

I hope they fixed the memory usage problem I've been having since the last update. Lately for me FF has been running up over 3GB of memory usage and then crashing after anywhere from 6 to 12 hours with only 7 or 8 tabs open. It's been driving me crazy.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206773)

I'm having the exact same problem. Runs okay but memory usage creeps up. Then once it gets past 3gig (have 8 on my machine) it either crashes all together or CPU will hit 25% maxing out a full core until I manually shut it down in task manager.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (3, Funny)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#47206919)

You can half the CPU % by upgrading to an 8 core machine!

Re:Memory usage fixed? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207809)

Not true! This is the sort of application that will expand to utilize all available CPU time, even when idle.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207155)

I have 16GB of Ram and I've had Firefox use up nearly 50% of my memory if I open more than five tabs.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about 6 months ago | (#47207507)

I've had nothing but trouble with Firefox on my older machines (a 2001-era 1.7GHz P4 w/ 256MB RAM that was retired as a regular desktop several years ago; a POS Dell with AMD64 dual-core and 2GB RAM).

On the other hand... I have to say, since getting my new laptop, at least on the Linux side... no memory issues whatsoever. It has been upgraded from 4GB to 16GB and the couple megabytes it used to swap to disk on occasion after long periods of use is no more, and the Windows side (although buggy as all hell), at least when it runs, actually runs nicely. The only trouble with Windows 8.1 is trying to get the damn thing to boot up without locking up. Oh, and the borked Start screen, which for some reason got all fucked up in one of the updates. Currently using just over 800MB RAM; i3 window manager on openSUSE 13.1, two xterm windows (one running wget), Geany text editor with a bunch of tabs, Dolphin file manager, and Firefox with five tabs. Seems to hover around 700-800MB regularly, usually only breaks a gig when I start a virtual machine.

To be fair, with this being a laptop instead of a desktop, I do tend to use it differently (though I almost always have it hooked up to my external monitor/mouse/keyboard and use it as a desktop). I shut it down every day and put it in its carrying case; the desktop was left on 24/7 and ready to go, set up as an SSH server for when I'm away. For this reason I often only have maybe a couple handfuls of tabs open in Firefox at any given time, instead of the dozens or hundred-plus that I used to have open on the old desktop. It should be interesting when I get a proper, modern desktop machine to replace that old one and use it in a way that is more "typical" to my previous usage patterns, but until then I'm stuck with what I have. Still, recall instant and horrendous swapping just by visiting gmail.com, no other tabs open, which is gone on this system; it might just bring it to close to a gig of RAM used.

I admit... I miss my always-on, always-ready, always-serving machine... the portability of the laptop is not quite making up for it. If I had to live with only one for the long term... desktop it is. Yet the laptop has its advantages, which I wouldn't want to do without either. I honestly don't see how people can get by with only a laptop, yet I hear people say it all the time.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206805)

Sounds like a add-on. My memory usage on 64-bit linux seemed to get marginally better when I went from 28 to 29. But I have had like 3 crashes with 29 and I can't remember the last time I had a crash before that. But I also have a shit-ton of add-ons, like ~25, so maybe one of them is acting up.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (1)

riverat1 (1048260) | about 6 months ago | (#47206881)

My add-ons are minimal and I've had the problem on both my home and work computers, both running on Windows 7. Add-ons here at work are Acrobat, Shockwave and Silverlight. At home I also have No-Script. Maybe Shockwave has something to do with it as I've had that crash on me several times too.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207007)

I've only got a few add-ons - adblock, flashblock & classic theme restorer. Just upgraded to version 30, see if it lasts until morning (often leave my comp on and since 29 FF always crashes during the night).

Re:Memory usage fixed? (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | about 6 months ago | (#47207275)

Similar - adblock, noscript and flashget. 4gig RAM and Firefox routinely taking about 900meg since the update to 29. I tend to only have three or four tabs open, and usage was around 500meg in 28.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | about 6 months ago | (#47207283)

This is on OSX, by the way.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (2)

John Bokma (834313) | about 6 months ago | (#47207411)

*Sigh* what's with this blame the add-on stuff? I see it in each and every "Firefox crashes" discussion. Until recently I used Firefox (can't recall which version, the latest supported) on Ubuntu 10.04. Crashes were rare and mostly related to Flash content. Now I am on Ubuntu 14.04 and Firefox crashes several times a day. Often randomly, like when I am editing code in Emacs. Or when I have been away from the computer for a while and I move my mouse to wake up the monitor.

Some clicking on about:crashes links gives the following:

  • https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787879
  • https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=984361 (still remains our #1 topcrash in Firefox 31)
  • https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817323
  • https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=882078

So, yeah, there's plenty of work to do. Would be nice if this stuff gets a higher priority and let the eye candy / let's make it look like Chrome even more rest for a year... or two.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207649)

*Sigh* what's with this blame the add-on stuff?

The UXtards that run Mozilla have realized they'll never force their UX on us if we keep on installing extensions that undo their UXtardery. Fuck 'em. The browser is unusable withouth layers and layers of .xpi to undo their "innovations." Team Palemoon.

Re:Memory usage fixed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207425)

Do you have adblock plus installed? It is usually the cause of such memory use.

I wonder what version we'd actually be at... (5, Interesting)

TWX (665546) | about 6 months ago | (#47206685)

...if they used sane version numbers?

Probably something like 12.0.1...

Re:I wonder what version we'd actually be at... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207187)

4.5.0.1

Re:I wonder what version we'd actually be at... (1)

John Bokma (834313) | about 6 months ago | (#47207413)

More like 0.93 alpha, based on the daily crashes I see. See my other post in case you want to post "It's the add-ons!".

Re:I wonder what version we'd actually be at... (1)

Prune (557140) | about 6 months ago | (#47207775)

I use Firefox daily, with many tabs and many add-ons, and I haven't seen a crash in years. Nice FUD spreading.

Re:I wonder what version we'd actually be at... (1)

John Bokma (834313) | about 6 months ago | (#47207935)

You can actually verify my claim, if you can be bothered:
  • bp-03011e04-04c7-4e46-b036-cb8ef2140610 06/10/2014 05:37 PM
  • bp-0e6c0cd6-07c1-428e-b2eb-04e262140605 06/05/2014 04:27 PM
  • bp-6012fb1f-5257-44f7-bff8-9eadb2140604 06/04/2014 03:23 PM
  • bp-4ec85a71-b780-4a39-a4b1-9f26f2140603 06/03/2014 06:31 PM
  • bp-a9d6d043-f942-4bd2-9edc-414602140601 05/31/2014 10:22 PM
  • bp-dcbe3dfc-f3b7-4308-a9da-47de32140530 05/30/2014 05:23 PM
  • bp-dd3f7257-8b2e-430b-9bf2-dd7b02140530 05/29/2014 08:22 PM
  • bp-5f35a17e-dc2a-4cf2-8c1a-ba6182140528 05/28/2014 03:39 PM
  • bp-b8153167-b5d9-472f-9405-2b02a2140526 05/26/2014 06:13 PM
  • bp-62876f7c-4951-40b2-b9a3-1cee62140524 05/24/2014 05:10 PM
  • bp-84007701-e196-4c41-9ca5-a286d2140524 05/23/2014 09:28 PM
  • bp-3adbd405-b9e8-419c-8a64-ee66c2140522 05/22/2014 10:20 AM
  • bp-4e8f3648-bf75-4714-af22-818382140522 05/21/2014 07:28 PM
  • bp-29d4453b-90ee-45e3-8ae7-acf612140519 05/19/2014 10:04 AM
  • bp-8634bf85-db8f-40b0-a560-b545b2140519 05/18/2014 10:45 PM
  • bp-e5492eec-39e2-4273-bdd8-e37d42140519 05/18/2014 08:33 PM
  • bp-0e9f3ac8-e93a-461b-b3e8-f38482140517 05/16/2014 07:29 PM
  • bp-0a83f5f3-8133-4b95-9fe3-63de32140517 05/16/2014 07:28 PM
  • bp-812cae2c-aed6-4ad0-b3ae-d1f122140517 05/16/2014 07:28 PM

Note that I can not always be bothered to actually submit the crashes. Some of those crashes are marked as "top crashes", see also my earlier post.

does sync work yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206735)

. . . its been broken for over a year.

Re:does sync work yet? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206823)

They have a brand new sync as of 28. I don't like it because the new sync protocol theoretically lets them get access to your sync'd data. They promise not to, but I wish they'd just make it easy to host your own personal sync server and be done with it. It is theoretically possible but it is far from easy.

Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206755)

Any chance we can have Firefox 3/Firefox 4 supported again and just forget about all these latest BS changes ? :-(

If I wanted something which looked and worked like Chrome, I would bloody well just use Chrome and have done with it.

Are there any non-mainstream browsers which supports the NoScript and DownThemAll/ImageHost Grabber and DownloadHelper functionality ? (That's a serious question, because if there are, then I intend to evaluate them.)

I've now got as many addons to restore traditional Firefox behaviour as I do to implement additional functionality. :-(

Re:Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 6 months ago | (#47206985)

Pale Moon is a Firefox fork without all the "modern UI" failures.

http://www.palemoon.org/ [palemoon.org]

Windows only though.

Re:Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (1)

kpainter (901021) | about 6 months ago | (#47207043)

Windows only though.

From the webpage:
"Pale Moon is an Open Source, Firefox-based web browser available for Microsoft Windows and Linux...."

Re:Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (1)

OhPlz (168413) | about 6 months ago | (#47207517)

The Linux builds are from "approved third parties". The Windows builds come from Palemoon directly.

Re:Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207317)

Failures? Why do people like it when Chrome copied Firefox's designs, but then six years later when Firefox finally finished implementing those changes, people are claiming to not like it? Why are these people telling that lie? Chrome copies Firefox design therefore Chrome is good, but then when Firefox releases the same damn thing, people like your kind lie and claim they don't like. Why are you people doing that?

Re:Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (1)

greenwow (3635575) | about 6 months ago | (#47207685)

Because Republicans. They love how Chrome spies on people in the USA so they just fucking love Google. That is the way of their kind. That is also why they hate Firefox. It only spies on you a little. One of the little examples is when you type a hostname that fails the DNS look-up for some reason or it is a single word which the Firefox developers are not smart enough to comprehend is a valid hostname, it will send that information to Google to fuck over your privacy. For example, I often go to http://employees/ [employees] at work. The rest of the domain name is assumed. If you do "nslookup employees" at the command line, it will correctly return the IP addr. But, Firefox decides to fuck over our employees and send the word "employees" to Google without our permission every time we type that URL. We had a couple of servers named for project names that were illegally published by Firefox that way. We now have to use unrelated names for projects because of the assholes at Firefox. They are conservatives to the core. They hate us for using their software.

Re:Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (2)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207821)

Who says people like it when Chrome did this. Many of the people who hate what Firefox is doing also strongly dislike Chrome.

Re:Firefox 3/Firefox 4 (1)

narcc (412956) | about 6 months ago | (#47207959)

It's Slashdot. Logic and reason clearly have no place here.

Ubuntu (1)

Jan Corazza (3689931) | about 6 months ago | (#47206783)

When does that usually get updated in Ubuntu?

Re:Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206847)

When it gets ported to Mir?

Re:Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206907)

Depends, sometimes very soon, sometimes it takes some time. But firefox is one of the few programs with an exception to the rule that an ubuntu release only adds very few updates [ubuntu.com] .

Devmode? (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about 6 months ago | (#47206831)

Is Devmode back yet? Or alternatively, does SuperDevMode work correctly yet? I like Firefox as a browser, but can't test my GWT stuff in it.

Re:Devmode? (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 6 months ago | (#47206969)

It never left.
Switch to Firefox ESR. It's FF24 with security fixes. You'll be fine for another 18 weeks, when only the not yet released ESR 31 will get security fixes.
Maybe someone on the GWT project will fix the plugin to work with FF31 in the 12 week period both ESR versions are supported.

Does it have (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206845)

The feature that Chrome has where you can go forward and back pages by swiping left and right? I like that feature but I don't like Chrome enough to use it instead of firefox.

Anybody please! (2)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 6 months ago | (#47206923)

Tell me how to place the fucking tabs below the URL box.
Bless Firefox, and forsake them for hyped redesigns like these.

Re:Anybody please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207057)

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/

Re:Anybody please! (1)

starless (60879) | about 6 months ago | (#47207087)

Tell me how to place the fucking tabs below the URL box. .

https://support.mozilla.org/en... [mozilla.org]

Anybody please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207115)

Try an add-on called "Tabs on Bottom"
I'm using it and it works as advertised.

Re:Anybody please! (4, Informative)

Barefoot Monkey (1657313) | about 6 months ago | (#47207193)

Classic Theme Restorer [mozilla.org] gives you the option to put the tabs below the URL bar. I recommend it, even if you like Australis, because of all the nice customisation options it gives.

Re:Anybody please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207253)

I agree. I like it for letting me tweak the color of the active tab. That is something that has pissed me off for 10+ releases, none of the add-ons I could find let me make the active-tab super visible the way classic theme restorer does.

Pale Moon (2)

LeRaldo (983244) | about 6 months ago | (#47206943)

http://www.palemoon.org/ [palemoon.org]

Switched from Firefox to Pale Moon because of Version 29 and haven't looked back. It is excellent.

Re:Pale Moon (1)

godel_56 (1287256) | about 6 months ago | (#47207003)

http://www.palemoon.org/ [palemoon.org] Switched from Firefox to Pale Moon because of Version 29 and haven't looked back. It is excellent.

Me too, and I gave the author a small donation. I doubt they're getting bulk money from Google as FF is.

Is the status bar back yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47206967)

If not, I'll stick with Chrome. Switched over after they removed the status bar.

User interface randomization feature? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207011)

Why don't they just randomize the user interface every time you start the program? I've spent over a decade getting used to things being in certain places with FF. Each version shuffles things like rearranging the furniture in a blind man's house. I have to put things back where they were so my muscle memory still works. I still go for View/Page Source - it's been that way for many years. Why change it? What does it accomplish to change it?

So, do the people who write this software not use it themselves? Do they not have muscle memory? Do they really re-learn where everything is every new release?

I mean, why? Why rearrange everything and trash the user interface? There's no reason for it. I don't understand. I can't process the idea that they just go in and trash everything for no reason.

I don't understand. I am not sure I want to understand. This is crazy, so should not make sense.

Re:User interface randomization feature? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207125)

Changing view/page source still annoys the fuck out of me. Mozilla should really release a Firefox Non-Chrome lookalike edition with everything reset back to the way it was for the preceding half a decade.

It's just the hipsters fucking stuff up again. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207157)

Most UI designers these days are hipsters. They don't give a flying fuck about usability. All they care about is making a UI that's trendy. It's totally cool if it's trendy but isn't actually usable. Usability is irrelevant to them.

Firefox is just one victim among many. They've fucked up Chrome from the very beginning. They've fucked up GNOME 3. They've fucked up Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012. They've fucked up iOS 7. They're in the process of fucking up OS X 10.10. They've been fucking up web design for a great many years now.

Hipsters are a disease that infects software projects. Once you understand that, then what has happened to the UIs of these formerly-great software projects makes perfect sense. It's much like the plagues that ravaged Europe centuries ago. A small hipster infection can spiral out of control and can destroy even the most robust and usable of software systems.

Re:It's just the hipsters fucking stuff up again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207235)

Windows 8 story... neighbor's daughter buys new laptop, tells me is Windows 8. Gave her my 'Oh god, no' spiel.

Three months later see her at her work. 'Windows 8 isn't too bad' she says, 'I'm starting to get used to it now'.

Computer-literate intelligent person, several months to get used to Win 8.

Well done Microsoft's designers. You fucking muppets.

Re:It's just the hipsters fucking stuff up again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207337)

She's not that computer literate.
I got used to windows 8 in a day.
All you have to do is avoid metro like the plague, and everything else is pretty much the same as always.
They moved some administration options around, but they've been doing that ever since 98.

Re:It's just the hipsters fucking stuff up again. (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207887)

They completely hid a way to shut down the computer. Sure it's no big deal if you have a smart power button and shutdown that way (such as on a laptop), but if you want to hibernate or sleep or restart then it's still painful. There was no obvious way to find this menu, or its parent menu for that matter. Even if you avoid Metro there are some extremely unintuitive things you have to do at various times. 8.1 fixed a few of these, but not all. You have to browse the web to learn hints and tricks much more than with the previous OS versions.

User interface randomization feature? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207191)

I've noticed it's not just firefox that does this stuff. I can't even count how many times software or an OS has changed something for no reason, removed features for no reason, changed things randomly...at least give us the option to CHOOSE if we want this new feature or look. Don't remove features that I've relied on for years. I remember back when I was using Xubuntu, XFCE had the very nice feature of allowing you to change the default right click on desktop menu from the standard "create folder, file.." etc to a custom menu like fluxbox has. I used XFCE just for this feature and they removed it for no good reason. Just give us the CHOICE to revert to old ways if you're going to change it, ffs.

Re:User interface randomization feature? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207917)

There has been a strong trend in many areas to remove choice. These are our superiors and they know better than us what we need, or at least that's how they think. Granted, it is indeed probably true that if you only have one button to push that things become a lot simpler for computer illiterate people. But it is frustrating to people who aren't completely illiterate, such as being forced to use the obtuse "about:config" menu to change basic Firefox options.

(the existence of features remaining in about:config implies that they did not remove the features to save code space or complexity, but instead only wanted to provide fewer options)

Re:User interface randomization feature? (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 6 months ago | (#47207471)

"I mean, why? Why rearrange everything and trash the user interface? There's no reason for it. I don't understand. I can't process the idea that they just go in and trash everything for no reason.

Taking cues from Microsoft?

Re:User interface randomization feature? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47207869)

Because if they don't change things then they start to feel irrelevant.

It crashed within two seconds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207041)

I just updated to Firefox 30 and two seconds after finishing the install, it crashed. Not a good first impression.

Bug: Not updating to v30? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207117)

Does anybody else see this behavior? I'm having some trouble where my Firefox is not automatically updating to v30. I checked all the forums, but I couldn't find anything that would make it work. Could it be due to the fact that I deleted Firefox from all my systems because v29 was a steaming pile of shit?

Re:Bug: Not updating to v30? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207621)

I uninstalled it when Mozilla decided to become a social justice organization rather than a software development organization. It's no wonder they keep fucking around with the UI, they're all about appearances and nothing else.

Boycott Firefox.

GUI? (2)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 6 months ago | (#47207183)

At the rate they're going, they'll probably emulate IE's look by version 40 (around next week)

Conversation with my girlfriend today. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47207565)

"Something strange is happening with my video streaming site." she says.
"Oh, I heard putlocker had their domain name seized." I say.
"No, that happened awhile ago, the video won't go into full screen now."

She clicks the full screen button and jack shit happens.

"Yeah, I did a dist-upgrade last night on your laptop, Chromium must of broke some shit, try Fire Fox."
"But Fire Fox is slow and everything moved around the last time you updated it." she says.
"I have to keep up with the security updates, you don't want to be using depreciated software. But yeah, these latest browser updates are bullshit I had to switch to something called Pale Moon."

When will these assholes learn? She doesn't give two fucks about what's cool and new, she just wants her shit to work and not be broken.

Screws up Magic Trackpad two-finger scroll (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | about 6 months ago | (#47207955)

I have to wonder what they think makes all these updates worthwhile. This release breaks two-finger scroll and swipe when I open a couple tabs.

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