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Report: YouTube Buying Twitch.tv For $1 Billion

Soulskill posted about 4 months ago | from the day-for-deals dept.

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Variety reports that Google's YouTube unit has reached a deal with Twitch.tv to buy the game-streaming service for $1 billion. From the article: "The deal, in an all-cash offer, is expected to be announced imminently, sources said. If completed the acquisition would be the most significant in the history of YouTube, which Google acquired in 2006 for $1.65 billion. ... YouTube is preparing for U.S. regulators to challenge the Twitch deal, according to sources. YouTube is far and away the No. 1 platform for Internet video, serving more than 6 billion hours of video per month to 1 billion users worldwide, and the company expects the Justice Department to take a hard look at whether buying Twitch raises anticompetitive issues in the online-video market."

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So, my bet: (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 4 months ago | (#47034823)

For mysterious reasons that will be 'explained' only by spokesweasels emitting word salad, this will become the Big Bad Scary antitrust issue of the day, while the rapid consolidation of physical network infrastructure (despite the radically higher barriers to entry) will quietly recede into the background.

Re:So, my bet: (1)

Rosyna (80334) | about 4 months ago | (#47035245)

Why would regulators care at all about this deal? Twitch isn't a public company.

Re:So, my bet: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035443)

Why would regulators care at all about this deal? Twitch isn't a public company.

because they got their jobs with affirmative action and their unqualified minds want to make an issue out of it?

Re:So, my bet: (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035517)

Antitrust laws. Microsoft had trouble with them years back. The idea behind these laws is to promote competition between companies, so if a giant tries to buy their only competitor and become, effectively, a monopoly, the government can step in and block the deal.

Re:So, my bet: (1)

badzilla (50355) | about 4 months ago | (#47036909)

I never understood why Verisign was allowed to buy Thawte, who were their only realistic competition.

Re:So, my bet: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47036449)

Because Twitch already has a history of anticompetitive behavior. Using your market dominance to force streamers to sign exclusive deals isn't exactly legal.
No-one really cares when Twitch does it but if YouTube keeps up the practice it is not unlikely that Daily-motion will ask EU to do something about it.

Re:So, my bet: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035279)

YouTube has a streaming service, but they don't lead in streaming as far as I know (there are restrictions to prevent anonymous people from showing potentially obscene videos).

Re:So, my bet: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035355)

YouTube has a streaming service, but they don't lead in streaming as far as I know (there are restrictions to prevent anonymous people from showing potentially obscene videos).

Ok, I couldn't think of any other (streaming) video services than TwitchTV and Youtube, till your post, I forgot about the sex market which is huge.

Re:So, my bet: (2)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 4 months ago | (#47035701)

I'm slightly confused.... is Youtube buying Twitch or is Google's wholly owned subsidiary (Youtube) buying Twitch?

The end result might be the same, but it seems to me that how the acquisition is reported should be relevant.

Re:So, my bet: (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47036125)

So... you don't understand the definition of 'wholly owned subsidiary' then?

Re:So, my bet: (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about 4 months ago | (#47036065)

1911 is forever marked as the dark year in history of individual freedom as property rights were destroyed by the USA government with the Standard Oil antitrust case. The year that decided the future destruction of USA economy. Even IRS and the Fed came into existance 2 years later, so income tax slavery and inflation fraud had to wait 2 entire years after the first major crime against free market by USA gov't in the 20th century. State has a monopoly on violence and it uses that power to destroy our freedoms, and it is everyone's freedoms that are being violated. Some time in the future the people will see our time as yet another dark age in history, we are still the barbarians that hand monopoly on violence to a select group of skilled sociopaths that we allow above ourselfs because we are still obviously not ready to live our lives as free people.

Re:So, my bet: (0)

rhodium_mir (2876919) | about 4 months ago | (#47036545)

Roman you beslubbering folly-fallen mumble-news. The destruction of individual property rights in these United States began with Brom and Bett v. Ashley. When government uses it's monopoly on violence to deprive individuals of their farm equipment it necessarily tramples human rights because government's mere existence is slavery.

Re:So, my bet: (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | about 4 months ago | (#47036921)

A "truly free market" is an anarchy, and the most powerful players will abuse their freedom to remove everyone else's freedom. Anarchy leads to feudalism. The only way that humanity has discovered to control the power of the powerful (and therefore to avoid feudalism) is to regulate it in a governmental structure.

Re:So, my bet: (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 4 months ago | (#47036237)

I would be surprised if this becomes an anti-trust issue. If it does, then it means Google hasn't been paying off their politicians, or those politicians are trying to shake Google down for more. But Google has been paying off the politicians [opensecrets.org] , so no worries there.

TwitchPlaysPokemon (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47034831)

Bummer =/

This channel has been suspended due to multiple copyright claims from Nintendo of America.

Re:TwitchPlaysPokemon (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47034849)

Nah, it's ok, but next game is going to be full of "how is poky formed?"

Re:TwitchPlaysPokemon (2)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#47034901)

Nintendo is reportedly far more likely to claim videos in "advertise" mode than in "block" mode.

Re:TwitchPlaysPokemon (2)

Georules (655379) | about 4 months ago | (#47035161)

You might be surprised. They seem to have very little understanding that streams and video content generated by fans is good for advertising.

Re:TwitchPlaysPokemon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035507)

why would i buy the game after i see someone else play it terribly and it looks stupid?

Re:TwitchPlaysPokemon (2)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47036133)

Same reason you'd go out and play football, US football, baseball,basketball, etc... because it's fun to play even though boring to watch.

Re:TwitchPlaysPokemon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47036067)

Seeing as they are supporting integrated software with Mario Kart 8 to edit and upload gameplay highlight videos directly to Youtube, you might be the one that's surprised.

wow... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47034839)

it seems like the only one not making a billion dollars these days is me...

Re:wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47034973)

You can sleep soundly knowing that your money is flowing into these big corporations coffers so that they can blow it on $1B tech-bubble purchases and outrageously inflated CxO salaries.

Let's call it "trickle up theory".

Re: wow... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035303)

Bread and circuses...

Twitch is not exactly a money maker (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47034857)

the amount of cash it costs to make live video is not cheap twitch is not really a money maker look at other game streaming sites they all went bottom up becouse of that reason.

twich doesnt have a ton of users compared to youtube and the biggest streams usually dont do twitch advertising but get sponsorship deals.

on the other hand google does have the servers available for it so if the rumour is true (which i doubt) it could be cheaper then expected to run the service

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (5, Informative)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 4 months ago | (#47034879)

Twitch.tv however has a lot of profitable users. People actually subscribe and pay money on monthly basis, PER CHANNEL and portion of that goes to twitch.tv.

Youtube on the other hand has a lot of users, but they are nowhere near as lucrative. It comes with twitch's role as a very specialized service.

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035029)

well using numbers from 2013 when i was hanging a lot with streamers twitch pays per 1000 views of an ad between 3 to 5 dollar (depending on the ad shown and the viewer location and other factors) to the streamer most streamers run about 3 ads in a block and do it between 1 to 3 times per hour.

sub buttons on the other hand is a one time fee per month of 4,99 of which you get 2,50

ads are actually way more profitable then the sub button for the streamer and for twitch

sub buttons are also pretty easy to get its almost to the point of create channel message twitch staff you want a sub button and once you filled in your paperwork and send it in it will appear within 2 weeks. subbing to a stream usually gives you nothing but vanity items like a special icon in front of your nickname in chat and the ability to chat when the channel gets put into sub only mode. All the other "benefits" are made by the streamer like sub only give-aways or other competitions and prices

beeing a partner (ability to run ads) is more difficult you need a certain number of average viewers and a certain number of subscribers to your channel then its the same type of paperwork as the sub button.

beeing a twitch partner also gives you benefits IF your channel is popular enough like having the ability to switch quality (mobile,low,medium,high, source) but what i heard is that twitch doesnt like to give out high quality options to low popularity partners which can cause problems with more growth of your twitch channel. I have heard horror stories where streamers that where partners only got the option to choose between source and low quality and if you stream very high quality source that leaves a portion of your viewers stuck with low quality as the only option without skipping frames.

There is also a less discussed 3rd option which is called Twitch Turbo which costs the twitch user 8,99 per month gives nothing to the stream your watching, no advertisements and a icon. Most streamers hate the turbo users because they are pretty much paid ad blocking and taking revenue out of the pocket of the streamer. To the defence of those Turbo users they usually get turbo and also buy a subscription to their favourite channel(s).

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035065)

About Turbo, directly from Twitch:
" Pays broadcasters for invisible ads "

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (4, Informative)

GeorgieBoy (6120) | about 4 months ago | (#47035185)

A couple things:

- As someone else mentioned, Twitch Turbo users simply removes adds for the viewer, but does NOT affect the channel operator's ad revenue. Users get the "Turbo" icon in chat
- Channel subscribers get access to subscriber emotes in chat (usable across all of Twitch) in addition to the subscriber icon for that channel, and sub-only chat (if applicable - generally only streamers that have very high simultaneous viewers enable this, to keep chat usable for subscribers).
- "Transcodes", i.e. quality options of low/medium/high in addition to "Source", can become available when a channel reaches a certain threshold of simultaneous viewers. While having partnership can mean the streamer always has them, it is NOT required for transcodes to become available.

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (1)

vitaflo (20507) | about 4 months ago | (#47035681)

As a friend who has over 1 million subscribers on Youtube and streams 20 hours per week on Twitch told me:

"Youtube is like Hollywoood, Twitch is Indie film."

Like you I would have guessed the opposite, but Youtube is much more lucrative for the content creator when your subscriber base is high.

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (4, Insightful)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 4 months ago | (#47036383)

The caveat is pretty hilarious though. "When subscriber base is high".

How many people can claim a high subscriber base? The entire point of Twitch is that it lets you monetize niche content that won't attract millions.

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035073)

The T-shirt I got from them at Bay To Breakers run this morning shows they literally have money to throw away. They don't care about building a healthy business if they're just throwing money down the shitter. I listened to their idiot employees for a few minutes, and they were just spouting pro-Palin nonsense. They're nothing but stupid Republicans. Expect Google to sue the liars when they realize they have no product and no technology. No person of their kind could ever build something worthwhile.

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035283)

Yeah because, you know, the left never lies, defrauds, or prevaricates..

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (4, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 4 months ago | (#47035929)

Twitch picked up a lot of users recently though.

Between the PS4 and Xbone, both of which can stream and upload to twitch, that's probably at least a million content producers out there. And that doesn't include all the content producers twitch had to band for non-gaming-related content.

What will likely happen is a lot of that migrates to YouTube - so all those PS4 sex shows that were on twitch will just be on YouTube instead (since the PS4 doesn't, at least I don't think, support YouTube yet for content producers. You can watch YouTube videos, but you can't record with the PS4 and upload to YouTube. Though maybe the last update solved that).

And gamers will seek gamer content - if you're on the PS4 or Xbone, switching to YouTube to figure out how to defeat that boss is par for the course. In other words, there's a guaranteed audience looking for guaranteed content.

Hell, I'd like to watch twitch, but the 30 second beer commercials every 30 seconds got tiresome fast. (Especially for crap mass-produced American beer, and I don't drink, so it was wasted advertising money).

Re:Twitch is not exactly a money maker (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 4 months ago | (#47036981)

(since the PS4 doesn't, at least I don't think, support YouTube yet for content producers. You can watch YouTube videos, but you can't record with the PS4 and upload to YouTube. Though maybe the last update solved that).

The PS4 doesn't support direct upload to youtube directly on the PS4....yet. You can, thanks to that 1.70 update, save to the hard drive, transfer the file to USB storage, then attach that to a PC for youtube upload.

What happened? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47034865)

I thought only Microsoft and Apple bought companies for their technology? Google is doing it AGAIN?!?!
 
Where'z teh innovations!?!?!?!!1111?!

Re:What happened? (1)

GNious (953874) | about 4 months ago | (#47035341)

Don't worry - they'll innovate this right into YouTube and G+!

(assuming the rumor of this deal is true, and it goes through)

Twitch could use the help (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47034891)

Just not from Google. I hope this deal gets shot down.

Re:Twitch could use the help (2)

Bengie (1121981) | about 4 months ago | (#47035115)

Yeah, maybe Comcast or Verizon instead.

This could ROCK! (2)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about 4 months ago | (#47035019)

Checkbox: Automatically convert your archived videos to Youtube.com videos permanently?

This could ROCK! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035205)

Yeah! Lolz! Videoz! They can have my harddrivez if I can watch videoz! Woot! I'm a teenager and I don't vote because... Videoz!

Re:This could ROCK! (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about 4 months ago | (#47036057)

Wish they would, even in the mobile app you cannot watch archived material; if it's not live you can't see.

All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (5, Interesting)

Sarusa (104047) | about 4 months ago | (#47035055)

Since by YouTube's standards, everything on Twitch is a 'copyright violation' (streaming footage of a video game and completely ignoring that most of it is Fair Use with added content) I really have to wonder how they intend to deal with the corporate trolls who are now going to descend on Twitch like the vultures they are.

I imagine that will involve giving most of the money currently going to the content creators to the copyright asserters. The RIAA model.

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035093)

And then another Twitch will rise in its place.

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (3, Insightful)

Mike Jones (3420339) | about 4 months ago | (#47035117)

And then another Twitch will rise in its place.

Just like the other youtube...o wait.

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035367)

And then another Twitch will rise in its place.

Just like the other youtube...o wait.

"Everything in the world is a moisture barrier," or something equally nonsensical.

Copyright infringement can be *anything.*

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (1)

Redmancometh (2676319) | about 4 months ago | (#47035643)

"All right guys you're about to get to watch us charge in! GET READY TO ROCK" *This stream brought to you by applewood meats, enjoy this 3 minute commercial*

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47036149)

The other youtube is Twitch you idiot, why do you think they are buying them?

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035123)

Just like another youtube is rising in its place?

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (4, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | about 4 months ago | (#47035189)

There is already another Twitch called Hitbox [hitbox.tv] .

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035273)

+1 Less buffering, faster and a better UI.

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47036791)

There were multiple "other Twitch" running alongside it earlier. They all died and Twitch now owns practically the whole Western streaming market.

Re:All of Twitch is a 'Copyright Violation' (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035761)

many of the games you see on twitch are endorsed by the publishers, some even have built in twitch streaming in game so at the very least they will retain a huge user base just in those games without any worry. I also suspect most game developers wouldn't attach twitch because that would alienate them more than normal copywrite trolling does

Embrace. Extend. (4, Insightful)

Snufu (1049644) | about 4 months ago | (#47035091)

Extinguish.

Re:Embrace. Extend. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035227)

Did you think that up all by yourself?

Re:Embrace. Extend. (1)

ruir (2709173) | about 4 months ago | (#47036639)

This whole affair reeks. Besides a big break on the fiscal taxes, does this affair has any practical effects?

What does this mean for justin.tv? (4, Interesting)

BitterOak (537666) | about 4 months ago | (#47035183)

I know Twitch TV and Justin TV are closely linked. I think in fact that Twitch is an offshoot of JTV and the user accounts are shared. Is YouTube buying JTV as well, will JTV go on independently, or will JTV be shut down?

Re:What does this mean for justin.tv? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035387)

This is from February:

Twitch today announced that Twitch Interactive, Inc. is replacing Justin.tv, Inc. as the company’s corporate umbrella name. Justin.tv will remain as a mature product of Twitch Interactive. The name change comes off of Twitch's continued growth, seeing now more than one million monthly active broadcasters and averaging 13 billion minutes watched per month.

So I guess it's in the pack.

In a related story. . . (0)

kimvette (919543) | about 4 months ago | (#47035263)

In related news, it appears Yahoo still has cash reserves to spend on more failures.

Re:In a related story. . . (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 4 months ago | (#47035277)

YouTube != Yahoo

Re:In a related story. . . (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 4 months ago | (#47035451)

google owns youtube genius

Anticompetitive when its free? (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 4 months ago | (#47035307)

How can it be anticompetitive when its a free service?

Re:Anticompetitive when its free? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035353)

Scintillating logic!

You should have been on Microsoft's legal team team during the IE anti-trust trail.

Anticompetitive when its free? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035457)

If they guarantee that neither they, nor any company that owns them or is associated will ever make any money from the service, then I don't think it's anti-competitive. What has the price of the service got to do with anything by the way?

Should the competition be... (1)

Chance Callahan (3422793) | about 4 months ago | (#47035311)

Twitching in fear?

TwitchTV could use a tech infusion (1)

k8to (9046) | about 4 months ago | (#47035315)

Maybe google can find a way to make the video streaming less awful. They can hardly make it worse!

Re:TwitchTV could use a tech infusion (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about 4 months ago | (#47035981)

Maybe google can find a way to make the video streaming less awful. They can hardly make it worse!

They will just have the automated copyright system flag everything and mass DMCA the lot. But look at the up side: No more buffering or stream delays!

Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (5, Insightful)

InsultsByThePound (3603437) | about 4 months ago | (#47035361)

Back when I was a kid the last millenium (80-90s), a billion as a lot of money. It was a domain that only Bill Gates and a handful of other chosen few were allowed to occupy. Now every damn internet start up is getting a billion each at least, often in the double digits.

Shit with absolutely no real world business prospects to justify the price they command. Are we in Internet bubble 2.0?

Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035469)

Twitch.tv are pretty big. They can get 50-100k live viewers on dota 2 streams, which are typically hours long. That has to be worth something.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (3, Interesting)

EvilSS (557649) | about 4 months ago | (#47036075)

Twitch.tv are pretty big. They can get 50-100k live viewers on dota 2 streams, which are typically hours long. That has to be worth something.

Or League of Legends. That game can pull in over a million live viewers at times. Hell the "finals" last year pulled in over 32 million. Most TV broadcasts outside the Super Bowl can't pull that off.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (1)

Warma (1220342) | about 4 months ago | (#47036209)

Million live views for a game stream sounds incredibly inflated. I'd like to see a bit of proof.
I understand that LoL probably has around 50 million players, but it would still mean, that one in fifty players would have watched that stream. This is a lot, at least when I compare to other big tournaments (Starcraft, MtG, etc.) and the amounts of people they pull in to watch their streams.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (2)

Zelucifer (740431) | about 4 months ago | (#47036241)

They actually hit 8.5 million concurrent viewers in late 2013 for the LoL World Champions in late 2013. 32 million total viewers. They have 26 million players a day, 67 million a month.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (2)

Warma (1220342) | about 4 months ago | (#47036259)

That is incredible. After learning that, I actually had to check what kind of prizes they are dealing out...
and now I can't even begin to fathom how much money Riot is making.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47036309)

They actually hit 8.5 million concurrent viewers in late 2013 for the LoL World Champions in late 2013. 32 million total viewers. They have 26 million players a day, 67 million a month.

Well, that is nice. The problem is that once you start looking at Twitch viewer numbers it things start to look unreasonable.
To me it looks like they are just applying a multiplier on the viewer numbers. That is nice since it doesn't skew where the target audience is.
The thing is that I live in a fairly small country (There are cities in the US with a larger population number.) but the interest in competitive game is pretty large.
That means when you apply a multiplier globally everything looks fine until you realize that the number of viewers exceeds the possible target audience.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035475)

If it helps you put into perspective what $1 billion is, the bribes expected to be paid to the government "regulators" will probably only amount to $250,000. Which is a rounding error in the entire deal package.

America: even our corruption is done as cheaply as possible.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035629)

If you're not part of the billion dollar club, then you're just a poor millionaire. Make less then that you say? You don't even fucking exist and not worth mentioning anyways.

The rich are at war with each-other, and the rest of us are just casualties in statistics.

Good morning gentleman! Have a biscuit on me.

~Anonymous.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (2)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about 4 months ago | (#47035935)

Maybe it really isn't shit today and the US currency has actually devalued this much? Compare it to the Euro (which also devaluated), the price of crude oil, the Japanese Yuen, the Chinese Renmibi, the price of iron ore, the price of gold and a few others to see for yourself. You'll find that you may be right in both cases. Yes, the US dollar has devaluated quite a lot and yes, the prices paid for "strategic acquisitions" are way inflated. A few will get rich because of this and a lot of shareholders will lose on the stock market once the share price will go down once the hype is over. Whether it is smart to own stock or dollars now and when or if to sell is up to you, but I'm not investing in those companies or the US dollar myself at the moment.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (2)

EvilSS (557649) | about 4 months ago | (#47036063)

Shit with absolutely no real world business prospects to justify the price they command. Are we in Internet bubble 2.0?

Twitch is currently profitable and has very real business prospects. They are actually competing quite well for viewers with TV, and that's pretty damned impressive for a site that streams people playing video games. For the young male demographic, Twitch outperforms quite a few of the larger cable TV stations in prime time and they are growing fast. They have very real business prospects, as long as something doesn't happen to derail them. The problem right now is that they are a victim of their own success and they need capital to grow. I think that's why they are shopping themselves around. Which is great! Except I'm afraid of two things: 1) whoever buys them will screw them up (Google does not have a good track record in this regard) and 2) it will draw more attention from big media and we will start to see copyright issues erode their success. I mean, just look at late last year for a perfect example of what can go wrong. Youtube almost destroyed their gaming channels with changes to their automated copyright system. Sega and Nintendo have also been bizarrely hostile to the community on Youtube as well.

Considering some of the other crazy deals lately (What's App for $19 Billion for example) Google picking up Twitch for $1 billion would be a steal.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 4 months ago | (#47036227)

Shit with absolutely no real world business prospects to justify the price they command. Are we in Internet bubble 2.0?

Video advertising is big money, which is why so many websites are scrambling to get video content lately. Twitch.tv, with an audience that actually watches commercials, absolutely could be making money, might possibly even be profitable already.

Really, sometime go check how much it costs per impression for a video ad.

Re:Wow a fucking billion dollars aint shit today (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 4 months ago | (#47036317)

Back when I was a kid the last millenium (80-90s), a billion as a lot of money.

$1 Billion USD in 1988, would be $2 Billion today (2014). Not an astronomical difference... Those poor, poor $500 millionaires would be billionaires now. Big damn whoop.

Now every damn internet start up is getting a billion each

No, only an extremely select few, and those are the ones you hear about in big stories like this one. Lots of successful startups get bought for far less, and most of it goes to pay off debts, leaving relatively modest profits for the investors.

Besides, there's a world of difference between INDIVIDUALS who have $1 Billion dollars in assets, and a BUSINESS having that amount... There were plenty of Billion-dollar corporations in the 1980s.

Inflation (1)

aepervius (535155) | about 4 months ago | (#47036589)

With a 2-3% inflation you get a doubling of price every 23 to 35 years. So 1 billion today is equivalent to 350 million $ in 1980 and 550 million dollar in 1990. So not so "big" anymore.... I used this by the way : http://www.bls.gov/data/inflat... [bls.gov] very useful to compare money amounts.

pure entertainment (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035369)

I haven't laughed so hard since Apple bought Beats.

Re:pure entertainment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035437)

Apple buying Beats was actually a brilliant move which is why Tim Cook is CEO of Apple and not you.

Why is twitch popular? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035397)

I can certainly understand the appeal of watching game replays and "let's plays" - heck I watch them myself. But why is live playing popular? In particular, why is it sufficiently popular that it's worth $1B in Google change?

It's kinda amazing Google feels Twitch is worth $1B at all (assuming the report is true). Are people so depressed with life that they must obsess with games to the point where a games-related company can be valued that much? No wonder we're so far behind on actually important tech - all the money's going to gaming. And I say this as an occasional gamer.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (4, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about 4 months ago | (#47035427)

Hell, I don't even get why people watch athletics on tv. Talk about dull. I'd rather play the damn sports casually than just watch it on tv.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (2)

DMJC (682799) | about 4 months ago | (#47035449)

THIS. E-sports is the next big media spectacle. It's like the Olympics, for people who can't enjoy sports but who enjoy watching gaming.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035583)

Watching a video game replay has to be the most boring thing ever.
I would rather watch golf or fishing (which is saying something as those are extremely boring too).
Seriously, I don't understand why people enjoy watching other people doing activities that they can do themself.
I would much rather play a game of baseball than watch it. I understand certain sports like
cage fighting where you might rather watch it than participate but why do people watch video
game replays when they can just play the game themself?

Re:Why is twitch popular? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035787)

People watch pro sports because it's easier than trying to play the game WELL.
People watch others play video games because it's easier than trying to play the game WELL.
People watch porn because it's easier than trying to get laid WELL.

Who do you think the next takeover targets are going to be? It will be something that appeals to the couch potato and to get money from them because the couch potato will rationalize its easier to PAY than to actually DO.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (1)

mechanicalturk (914130) | about 4 months ago | (#47036543)

Moreover, in watching others play well, you can often gain insights into how you can play better yourself.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (1)

mlk (18543) | about 4 months ago | (#47036519)

I watch PA replays every now and again for the same reason I watch fencing.
As I enjoy it and I get to see where I am going wrong.

I don't watch football (Association, Rugby or America) as I find it dull, I can't relate to it in away way.
I'll have a kick about as it is socializing rather than "football".

Re:Why is twitch popular? (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 4 months ago | (#47035687)

I can certainly understand the appeal of watching game replays and "let's plays" - heck I watch them myself. But why is live playing popular?

That's what I've been wondering about myself. Twitch.tv - integration in games is seemingly a growing trend, yet I've never had even the slightest of urges to broadcast my gaming-sessions, let alone sit there with a finger up my ass watching as someone else plays. Where the fuck is the fun in that?

And I say this as an occasional gamer.

I say the above as a pretty much addicted/hardcore gamer.

Re: Why is twitch popular? (1)

gTsiros (205624) | about 4 months ago | (#47035725)

I watch zisteau's inferno mines (and others) recently. Practically, i learn new techniques, ideas, etc.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035791)

People watch it for the personalties or banter between streamers.
Pro tournaments can be fun to watch sometimes. Depending on who is casting they really understand the audience and it isn't always presented in the same style as a super serious 'sports' show.

People also like to watch and learn, see interesting things that they can try and copy or weird tactics that really only work under certain conditions. Its also nice to see some of the best players in the world thrown off by special tactics.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (2)

Zedrick (764028) | about 4 months ago | (#47036349)

Well, (for me) it's like an interesting talkshow. I watch Quickybaby play World of tanks, partly because I like that game and can learn a few things watching someone really good play it, but also because he talks about all kinds of things. It's just like watching kevinpollakschatshow, but framed around a game instead of Hollywood.

OTOH there's a lot of people on twitch playing the game and saying nothing, that I don't understand. Boring.

Re:Why is twitch popular? (4, Interesting)

EvilSS (557649) | about 4 months ago | (#47036011)

I kind of wondered the same thing until I started watching. I originally went there to look at actual game play footage for a game I was thinking of picking up. In the process I found a few streamers who I actually enjoyed watching. They were funny, interactive with their viewers, and pretty good gamers to boot. Now I go back pretty much every day to watch while I work or surf. It's replaced some TV and podcasts as my "background noise".

Keep in mind most of the smaller streamers (and those tend to be the more entertaining to watch) are not e-sports try-hards. Their play is more casual. I tried a few of the bigger streams but yet, just watching someone team grind to keep their K/D is boring as watching golf.

Another one bites the dust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47035421)

/Buzz "DCMA takedowns.... DCMA takedowns everywhere!"

Re:Another one bites the dust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47036433)

Actually it's DMCA.

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Seems insignificant (4, Funny)

maliqua (1316471) | about 4 months ago | (#47035751)

right next to that 48.5 billion article doesn't it

Good for Twitch users (2)

Jezisheck (2558157) | about 4 months ago | (#47036409)

Maybe it will start to work correctly at last.
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