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Pentagon Document Lays Out Battle Plan Against Zombies

Soulskill posted about 2 months ago | from the rule-#1:-cardio dept.

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mpicpp sends this news from CNN: "Never fear the night of the living dead — the Pentagon has got you covered. From responses to natural disasters to a catastrophic attack on the homeland, the U.S. military has a plan of action ready to go if either incident occurs. It has also devised an elaborate plan should a zombie apocalypse befall the country, according to a Defense Department document obtained by CNN. In an unclassified document titled 'CONOP 8888,' officials from U.S. Strategic Command used the specter of a planet-wide attack by the walking dead as a training template for how to plan for real-life, large-scale operations, emergencies and catastrophes."

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I need to know something (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024711)

WTF is all this "zombie attack" crap? Come on - the shit's not REAL, so WTF is the government or anyone else "going off" on this CRAP for anyhow??

* Seriously - DO THEY KNOW SOMETHING I/WE DON'T?

(I mean, come on - please already! That's crap's the provonice of Science Ficiion or Horror films/books - nothing more, so WHY WASTE TIME ON IT - especially with taxpayer monies?)

APK

P.S.=> I mean it...

... apk

Re:I need to know something (2)

tomhath (637240) | about 2 months ago | (#47024743)

RTFA

"The document is identified as a training tool used in an in-house training exercise where students learn about the basic concepts of military plans and order development through a fictional training scenario,"

I did man... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024753)

It seems insane to even CONSIDER that as a possible threat or avenue thereof... seriously!

(The only "zombies" are the PUPPETS bought & paid for in government by our NOW fascist bribed off by "lobbyists" politicians... nothing more than puppets of the REAL "powers that be" hiding behind the curtain...)

APK

P.S.=> Stuff's damn FANTASIES, nothing more - why even waste INK on it? apk

Re:I did man... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024805)

Because training.

Training on fantasies? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024821)

See subject-line above... "will wonders NEVER cease" (along with wasting taxpayer monies).

APK

P.S.=> I am truly amazed... apk

Re:Training on fantasies? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47027725)

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Re:Training on fantasies? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 months ago | (#47027841)

It's training on reality. Something will happen sometime. Zombie is a placeholder for "unknown future issue" (or, as I said elsewhere "asian" without political complications).

Re:I did man... apk (4, Insightful)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 2 months ago | (#47024833)

Emergency services have been using things like "zombie attacks" for decades. There's a lot of reasons why. One is if a civilian stumbles onto your training exercise, they're more likely to think it's some sort of movie then to get scared. Another is it's a bit lighthearted for a serious subject and may make it more enjoyable for people involved. And, any skills or experienced from the fantasy directly carries over to real life situations.

Re: I did man... apk (3, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | about 2 months ago | (#47024901)

Not only that but zombies combine multiple situations. You need physical defense, infection monitoring, unknown medical care, rioting, panic, etc

You can combine all your forces. Police ambulance fire military into a single exercise easily.

And it is easier for the actor to play their roles.

Re:I did man... apk (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025249)

Emergency services have been using things like "zombie attacks" for decades. There's a lot of reasons why. One is if a civilian stumbles onto your training exercise, they're more likely to think it's some sort of movie then to get scared. Another is it's a bit lighthearted for a serious subject and may make it more enjoyable for people involved. And, any skills or experienced from the fantasy directly carries over to real life situations.

"Woah, no way! A tin-foil hat! I've always heard about them, I wonder how it fits..."

Fantasy has already become reality, and that is the main reason we are seeing official government documents coming out now is because the t-virus is more fact than fiction. By releasing these documents, the government is helping train citizens for the zombie outbreak they plan on creating in a few years as a method of population control. Of course, individuals and groups will be targeted for infection to help restore the balance of power.

(removes hat)

"Man, I don't see how people wear these things."

Re:I did man... apk (-1, Flamebait)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 months ago | (#47025913)

Emergency services have been using things like "zombie attacks" for decades. There's a lot of reasons why. One is if a civilian stumbles onto your training exercise, they're more likely to think it's some sort of movie then to get scared. Another is it's a bit lighthearted for a serious subject and may make it more enjoyable for people involved. And, any skills or experienced from the fantasy directly carries over to real life situations.

Its a politically correct way to practice for when the Muslims change tactics from trying to subvert our democracy and freedoms to outright attack [google.com] . An enemy that may look like normal people, but want to kill or convert all others ... and someone you know could become converted. Its no surprise that the authorities pick "zombies" to train for this.

Re:I did man... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47026159)

Even if there was a secret islamophobic agenda, this would be incredibly ineffective training because Zombie scenarios assume very limited infiltration and stealth - only people who know they've been bitten and just want a few more hours of life. If Muslims all of a sudden coordinated an attack, most of them would just say they were Christian and attack covertly. Barricades and heavy weapons would be useless.

Re:I did man... apk (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 months ago | (#47026437)

Re:I did man... apk (1)

amorsen (7485) | about 2 months ago | (#47027009)

An enemy that may look like normal people, but want to kill or convert all others ...

You are behind, that is definitely about the Commies, the Cold War stuff is back. Islamophobia was last decade.

Re:I did man... apk (1)

Rande (255599) | about 2 months ago | (#47027241)

Especially the double-tap to the head. Gotta make sure.

trains everything, medical, riot, water shortage.. (3, Interesting)

raymorris (2726007) | about 2 months ago | (#47025107)

Zombie attack is used as great training because it combines many different types of scenarios into one. It's an infectious disease, so you're training mass prophylaxis etc, people get injured, so it covers mass casualties like a plane crash or big explosion, the zombies come after people in mass like a riot or invasion. The water is assumed to be infected with the zombie virus, so it trains infrastructure disaster, etc. Nearly everybody involved with emergency response has to do their job for a zombie scenario, so it's great for a large, coordinated training exercise.

The last time we ran zombies, here in College Station, I don't know that the computer emergency response people were included. That's the only group not trained by zombie that I can think of. Maybe next time we'lldo zombie hackers. :)
I work at TEEX in College Station, where we train all sorts of peoplefor every disaster imaginable - we have wrecked trains, buildings that collapse on demand, etc. Most of the classes we offer can probably be included in a zombie scenario .

Re: trains everything, medical, riot, water shorta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025467)

We call the computers of private citizens infected by botnet logic Zombies. So perhaps we can just have a virus that also is digital to include the CERT team as well.

Re:I did man... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025343)

Boring The American Doctrine of never using a single bullet when 30 can be used wont work on Zombies.
Zombies for the win - still no military wins * for the merkins in my life time (* you win the battle but lose the war).

Article title is clickbait. (1)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | about 2 months ago | (#47025437)

If you read the second link to the actual document. The very beginning is a disclaimer that basically states they used this scenario specifically to add interest to an otherwise dry subject.
It doesn't change the subject, nor the training. It merely adds a little 'fun' to the course.
As other posters noted. The survival techniques are still valid. The Zombie angle just to make it interesting. And most people will retain more from an interesting class than a dull one.
The headline is clickbait.
If they were saying "OMG there might really be a zombie apocalypse then yeah, what B.S.
But that isn't the point at all.

Re:I did man... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025727)

I am a huge faggot.

APK

P.S. => I am trying to annoy everyone by refusing to create an account and instead signing off on anonymous messages by putting my stupid handle everywhere. apk

P.P.S. ==> Somebody please ride my hershey highway. ApK

P.P.S.S. 8===D I want to drown in all of your cum. apK

Re:I need to know something (1)

CmdrEdem (2229572) | about 2 months ago | (#47024761)

In the mid 1800's artificial satellites were only science fiction too. As was robotics in the mid 1900's. Now all the global telecommunication depends on satellites and robots are faster and stronger than humans, even if they do not have cognitive capabilities comparable to ours yet.To have a plan is the simplest form of preparation. It's not like they have extra infrastructure or personal around the clock to stop something like a zombie infestation from happening, but they have a plan. And they will spend their time and resources with exercises anyway. Might as well go bat shit crazy.

But anyway, it's not like my country's army has money to buy ammo for live ammo exercises.

I think I speak for all non-Americans when I say: Let the US Army burn money with harmless thoughts instead of black R&D, torture camps, wars on other countries and so on.

Re:I need to know something (3, Informative)

ArmoredDragon (3450605) | about 2 months ago | (#47024855)

Now all the global telecommunication depends on satellites

Actually it doesn't. Maybe it did in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, but at about the turn of the millennium satellite communication is increasingly unimportant for global communications. In fact it has the disadvantages of much higher latency, lower bandwidth, and much higher cost.

Re:I need to know something (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 months ago | (#47027859)

If satellite is so bad, why is it used as the first choice for almost all video operators?

Re:I need to know something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024767)

Ebola is as good as a zombie outbreak and there is one in a modern city in West Africa
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/o... [cdc.gov]

Re:I need to know something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024815)

Ebola is as good as a zombie outbreak and there is one in a modern city in West Africa http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/o... [cdc.gov]

that really sucks, the local warlord had PLANS for those people!

Re:I need to know something (3, Insightful)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47024827)

Zombies are a metaphor for poor people. You can't make a battle plan for what to do when the proletariat rises, because the optics are bad, but you can plan for zombies. Yet another reason to do something about income inequality before it comes to that.

Makes most sense I've heard here... apk (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024891)

THAT actually makes SOME sense here (considering zombies are nonsensical fantasy & nothing more). believe it or not. Wouldn't surprise me @ all!

APK

P.S.=> What you said actually IS scary, i.e. - substituting "zombies" as a word for a revolt of the working class masses (who've been ROYALLY FUCKED OVER by the TRUE controllers of our now VERY fascist government bought off & PAID for by BRIBERY (lobbyists))

I suppose you can say that "We have the BEST GOVERNMENT that money TRULY CAN buy" or rather, buy off... apk

Re:Makes most sense I've heard here... apk (1)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47026671)

Money can only buy our votes, not our government. Which is why we citizen zombies should wake up and smell the brains. Or something like that.

Don't be so simple (1)

bussdriver (620565) | about 2 months ago | (#47027425)

Money buys government. Our votes are symbolic; ignoring the cheating games keeping people distracted, it's a choice between a flavor of corruption.

One is faster than the other but it depends on the flavor in what way. Some issues 1 side can do faster on the guise of compromise and something extremely unpopular just causes a switch out later and a different set of things can be done until revisiting it again--- after voters forget... they only have about a 1 year memory and on big issues you only need to wait about 8 years; on bigger things it only takes a generation to change.

Why buy votes? The system is easy to rig because the weak point is controlling the available options.

Regulatory capture. You don't even need the common situation (like FCC today) you can do it by offering great jobs AFTER, nobody can stop that short of laws limiting their employment later (and that of their spouse and kids.)

Use the pawns you own in gov and other powers to force politicians or better yet, to manipulate them. Such as showing them those nutty threat assessments (which were designed for experts to filter and summarize not for politicians to read because the things are nearly as ridiculous as alien or zombie threats.) The power of the staffers is incredible! Load those up and you can push politicians around without them knowing it.

Power and influence too great undermines any system you can devise. The ONLY solution is to limit power and it's influence over governance. Branches of government help, term limits kind of (but not really, plenty of corrupt people waiting and effective honest people are RARE,) and the taboo thing in the USA, limiting private influence... which ultimately means income caps.

Then you have the professional Roman Army that helped collapse that empire... A drafted one makes it harder for the powerful to be immune.

Re:Don't be so simple (1)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47027467)

What you said doesn't even make sense. Votes are what elects representatives. You have a vote. If you are like most people, you don't vote in the primary election, which is the _only_ time that your vote has any hope of making a difference most of the time. And if you are like most people, you probably routinely vote against your self-interest, because people with a lot of money have used propaganda techniques on you, and you don't know enough to realize you've been snookered. I mean, I hope you're one of the smart ones who doesn't fall into these traps, but on average, you are, and that is why we get representatives who work for the people who bankroll them instead of the people who vote for them.

Re:Don't be so simple (1)

the grace of R'hllor (530051) | about 2 months ago | (#47027569)

No, he's saying that you can choose between the guy who's going to take your right to know what's in your food because money, or the guy who's going to take your right to know what's in your food. Because money.

Y'all have a de facto two-party system. That means that neither party has any reason to make drastic changes to their intended policy. They just have to slag the opponent, and 4-12 years later they've got the presidency again. Why bother listening to people?

Re:I need to know something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025063)

...because the optics are bad...

Thanks, now I now never to read anything else you post, ever.

Are you also one of those assholes sitting around in meetings saying, "well, the ASK is reasonable, and I don't think the LIFT is to big".

Asshole.

Re:I need to know something (1)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47026599)

Whiner. :)

Re:I need to know something (1)

lgw (121541) | about 2 months ago | (#47025709)

Can't even tell if you're trolling. /. has gotten that bad these days.

Re:I need to know something (1)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47026629)

I wish I were. I don't know that that's actually what's motivating this, and I certainly hope it's not. But the idea of zombies as an unsubtle metaphor for the proletariat is well trodden and more plausible than I would prefer. Of course, they also make for really good fiction. I recommend Mira Grant's Newsflesh series, and Carrie Ryan's The Forest Of Hands And Teeth, both of which have some genuinely hair-raisingly scary bits that made my hands sweat.

Re:I need to know something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025811)

Zombies are a metaphor for poor people.

Poverty can be transmitted by bite?! Thanks for telling me! Now all I have to do is make sure I never get bitten, and I'll never need to worry about being poor again.

Re:I need to know something (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about 2 months ago | (#47026445)

Poverty can be transmitted by bite?

Yes. That is the real reason why you should avoid the ghetto girls in 3rd world countries!

Re:I need to know something (1)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47026677)

It's a metaphor, son. A metaphor.

Re:I need to know something (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025861)

Zombies are a metaphor for poor people.

Ha! Nice one.

The problem is the army is mostly composed of poor people.

Re:I need to know something (1)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47026655)

That's probably more of a saving grace than a problem. It's prevented a lot of evil deeds in the past; would be nice to think it could prevent some more in the future.

Re:I need to know something (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47026807)

Actually, it's probably the reverse. The transformation of the Roman army from a drafted landholding class to paid professional soldiers was one of the factors in the collapse of the Roman Republic. People who don't feel a strong connection to established society won't balk at overthrowing it.

Re:I need to know something (1)

mellon (7048) | about 2 months ago | (#47027481)

That's certainly a problem with military dynasties. How it would play out in practice, I'd prefer not to find out.

Re:I need to know something (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | about 2 months ago | (#47024867)

WTF is all this "zombie attack" crap? Come on - the shit's not REAL, so WTF is the government or anyone else "going off" on this CRAP for anyhow??

* Seriously - DO THEY KNOW SOMETHING I/WE DON'T?

(I mean, come on - please already! That's crap's the provonice of Science Ficiion or Horror films/books - nothing more, so WHY WASTE TIME ON IT - especially with taxpayer monies?)

APK

P.S.=> I mean it...

... apk

It's a place holder. The CDC has used it as well to simulate the rapid spread of a disease across the country. You see, in any large scale disaster/emergency/attack/whatever, there are quite a few constants: quarantining or blocking off certain areas, logistics, crowd control, evacuations. A "zombie attack" is essentially a placeholder that allows for plans to be drawn up that can be adapted to a wide range of cases. It also keeps those involved entertained and therefore engaged in the exercise because it is so outlandish and impossible (and also something they've likely seen in movies).

Re:I need to know something (1)

Entropius (188861) | about 2 months ago | (#47024873)

zombies.malebolge.hl 127.0.0.1

Re:I need to know something (1)

Oil_Tan (854423) | about 2 months ago | (#47024877)

What the hell do you think is in the flu shots they want you to get so badly? ZOMBIE VIRUS :) have a nice day

Re:I need to know something (1)

DexterIsADog (2954149) | about 2 months ago | (#47025071)

Shh! Don't say things like that. Stupid people might believe you.

After all, people still believe what Jenny McCarthy says. And the pope. And the NRA. And Fox News.

"Zombie apocalypse" = ??? (3, Insightful)

Immerman (2627577) | about 2 months ago | (#47025005)

First off: training, as others have said. Ridiculous scenarios have the advantage of being more entertaining and less likely to freak out the populace.

And secondly, if you'll allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment, I imagine the response to a worldwide zombie attack would bear many similarities to the response to mass civilian uprisings - a scenario any power-loving government is afraid of. And can you imagine the reactions if it got out that they had a plan titled "Military response to attempted popular revolution"?

Not to mention that you don't want to encourage the god-and-country loving rank and file to think about how they would react to being ordered to fire on their neighbors - in a crisis situation you can put a lot of psychological pressure on the troops and possibly get at least a few days or weeks of unhappy obedience before you have to start worrying about mass defections, which used intelligently may be enough to get the population back in line. Put them through a training exercise where they have to confront the possibility of being used for civilian oppression beforehand though, and you may find that a lot of them have already decided they'll have no part in it if the scenario becomes reality.

And it has the added benefit that anyone claiming that "zombie apocalypse" is a stand-in for "civilian uprising" will sound like they're off their rocker. And so if you'll excuse me I'm going to remove my tinfoil hat and get on with enjying this beautiful Saturday morning.

Re:I need to know something (1)

knightghost (861069) | about 2 months ago | (#47025105)

Perception is reality. Zombies are popular. So... this is an excellent teaching tool because it engages the interest of students (not to mention good PR for a public that prefers lies over reality).

Re:I need to know something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025187)

* Seriously - DO THEY KNOW SOMETHING I/WE DON'T?

I think that given how little you know, everyone knows something you don't. ;-)

Re:I need to know something (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | about 2 months ago | (#47026013)

When I was house shopping, my fiance asked me what me criteria were for choosing a house I told her "Location, Size, Price, Layout, Number of Bedrooms and Defensibility in the event of a Zombie Apocalypse."

Zombie outbreaks are a metaphor for civil unrest. Basically, anything that disrupts food delivery or utilities for a week will be the equivalent of a zombie apocalypse.

LK

Re:I need to know something (1)

meerling (1487879) | about 2 months ago | (#47026211)

Simple. There will never be a zombie attack.
On the other hand, being able to train for extreme situations without making the obvious mistake of assigning a real world group as the 'bad guys' because everybody knows zombies don't exist.

If they had used a real world opponent, there would be two problems.
The first, is the diplomatic problems that would arise from them planning conflicts with that group. How do you think China, or The United Kingdom, or any other country would respond to something like that.
Second, there's the whole problem with mindset. You get everybody training to fight someone in the real world, and that's the opponent they think about fighting. If that actually ends up being your real foe, see the first issue, then that's not so bad, but if it ends up being someone else, then you have the problem of people using the wrong strategies since they are mentally locked on the one they trained for. If you always know your opponent is non-existent, and not just a renamed nazi/soviet/scientologists/whatever, then you concentrate more on the fundamentals rather than your training analogs.

It's a good idea to train against a completely fictional opponent that will never be mistaken for anyone in the real world for various reasons. Too bad you don't understand that.

Re:I need to know something (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 months ago | (#47027833)

Because a training document based on an invasion by China would be politically embarrasing, and one based on an invasion by North Korea would be legitimizing a megalomaniac. So "zombie" is code for "asian" without having anything embarrassing happen if the game plan is leaked.

Wooooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024723)

I'm glad to see tax money put to such wasteful use... For a brief time I thought they would actually do something worthwhile with taxes.....

Do you get the angry sarcasm in that statement? It is sarcasm!

Insurgents trying to overthrow US dictators (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024731)

Pentagon couldn't vey well openly plan to fight a war against the unhappy general US population, opposing it's military dictatorship, so they had to invent "Zombies." The real target here is US citizens who don't like their fascist government.

they barely even hide it anymore (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 2 months ago | (#47026365)

they had to invent "Zombies." The real target here is US citizens who don't like their fascist government.

I saw the ***exact same thing***

fsking CIA criminals & their aristocrat/illuminati overlords

Jeb Bush 2016!

Guess they overestimated some. (4, Informative)

Mr D from 63 (3395377) | about 2 months ago | (#47024741)

From the document, it says for this training excersize, "we elected to use a completely impossible scenarios that could never be mistaken as a 'real plan'.

Re:Guess they overestimated some. (1)

Livius (318358) | about 2 months ago | (#47024785)

The Zombie apocalypse, although implausible, is so viscerally terrifying because it is only an exaggeration of realistic threats. A super-virulent form of rabies is theoretically possible.

I suspect the sensationalism is probably getting in the way of the exercise being a truly productive use of time and resources, but if they're ready for a Zombie apocalypse, it stands to reason that they're ready for more realistic variations on the theme.

Re:Guess they overestimated some. (2)

bitt3n (941736) | about 2 months ago | (#47025087)

if they're ready for a Zombie apocalypse, it stands to reason that they're ready for more realistic variations on the theme.

Sure we may be ready for a zombie apocalypse, but are we prepared for the poor plotting, derivative story-line, cheap jump-scares, wooden acting, gratuitous sex scenes, and corny self-referential jokes of the inevitable sequel?

Re:Guess they overestimated some. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47027033)

are we prepared for [..] gratuitous sex scenes

This is Slashdot. Lots of preparation is done for gratuitous sex scenes, even if zombie apocalypses are the only way for them to actually happen.

Re:Guess they overestimated some. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025113)

This, a zombie apocalypse is a very possible threat given the right mutations.

But more to the point, a zombie apocalypse is a great way to prepare for literally the worst kind of scenarios in regards to societal collapse, one that is virulent and deadly.
Dealing with a zombie apocalypse helps you identify infection vectors (biological attacks), physical violence (general chaos), secure installations (brute force attack) and many others.
It really is a good way to round up very real scenarios in to one heading, and zombies generally fit them all.

Likewise with alien invasion, there are plans in place if such things were to happen, despite being unlikely given the vast distances of space.
If aliens were to find us, they either have a really great head start on us so could wipe us from the planet, or they are similar to us technology wise and just spent a ridiculous amount of resources to one-way missions to attack a planet to take over it. Both of those are unlikely scenarios.
But there is still that middle-ground where there could be a chance of survival. (admittedly that middle ground is heavily towards the latter than the former)

Investigating and planning for the worst of the worst is a good idea, it is things like that that has helped prevent massive outbreaks of infection from killing millions, even billions, like in cases with SAR, the current MERS, swine flu (blown way up admittedly) and other large scale infections.
It is going to be even more needed as virulence increases and our protections against them are failing.
There could be a day where a simple cut will kill again. Hopefully it never sees the light of day.

Re:Guess they overestimated some. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025129)

Hoards of zombies can be described as desperate mass of people who need food, shelter and medical assistant that
the authoritah cannot provide. This (and many other plans) are to 'deal' with such situation to protect the few who can
afford resources the majority cannot get to and are not willing to share.

Re:Guess they overestimated some. (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | about 2 months ago | (#47025215)

I'm glad to see that even the ACs around here see the benefit of this. I read enough of the article (really) to get a pretty good feel, and wondered if /.ers were going to trash or praise the idea. As a training tool, it is pretty useful, more practical ways than it might seem at first glance, as it is fun enough to keep people's attention when being trained.

And yes, there are some real life parallels to zombies, like the AC said, or rapidly spreading infectious disease. Interesting stuff.

Just a question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024769)

How much of this plan could apply to a mass rebellion against a state or the federal government, if people get tired of the corporatism?

Re:Just a question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024817)

If by "people" you really mean "zombies" then all of it.

Re:Just a question: (3, Funny)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 2 months ago | (#47024887)

I always thought it was the Federal Government that was made up of zombies. After all, the do desperately need brains.

Re:Just a question: (2)

gmrath (751453) | about 2 months ago | (#47025001)

Both funny, and sadly, insightful.

Re:Just a question: (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 2 months ago | (#47025153)

Yeah. When I was typing it out, I honestly wasn't sure if I was going for tongue-in-cheek insightful or just dark funny. We'll see how the moderation goes. Although I suspect my "sorry I just woke up" typo will come in to play here.

Re:Just a question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47028483)

There is a key difference, though: while zombies need and likewise *want* brains, governments need them without wanting. :)

Plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024799)

What, round everybody up into refugee camps? Pass.

Baaa (1)

donnie Freyer (2881319) | about 2 months ago | (#47024831)

So that's where that last 375 million went! Maybe I should just give the gubmint 100% of my earned income as tax. Wizards of frugality. Because puppies.

Pentagon Document Lays Out Battle Plan Against (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47024845)

Unsuspecting Citizens. A way to cull the masses when unemployment rates go too high.

This is not an actual defense plan (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 2 months ago | (#47024879)

For those not reading the article, this is not a serious defense plan. The document is for training, zombies could be replaced with another scenerio and the students would still have to think there way through the same logic and set of problems. The zombie spin is a matter of cultural relevancy and thinking out of the box for a scenario.

"The document is identified as a training tool used in an in-house training exercise where students learn about the basic concepts of military plans and order development through a fictional training scenario," Navy Capt. Pamela Kunze, a spokeswoman for U.S. Strategic Command, told CNN. "This document is not a U.S. Strategic Command plan."

"Officials familiar with the planning of it say zombies were chosen precisely because of the outlandish nature of the attack premise."

Awhile back the CDC led a zombie awareness campaign involving the public. The objective was not to prepare for actual zombies, but instead to teach basic principles disaster preparedness in a format that would actually get attention.

Re:This is not an actual defense plan (1)

Andrio (2580551) | about 2 months ago | (#47025003)

It's a plan for the inevitable Captain Trips outbreak.

Misdirection (1)

aviators99 (895782) | about 2 months ago | (#47024953)

Seems like the only purpose of this article on CNN was to generate page views by people who were fooled by the headline and summary into believing that it actually was meant to be in preparation for a zombie attack. It seems to have worked really well. The purpose of it on /. I don't understand.

If this is CONOP 8888, what's in CONOP 666? (1)

Bruce66423 (1678196) | about 2 months ago | (#47024989)

Just wondering!

Re:If this is CONOP 8888, what's in CONOP 666? (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 2 months ago | (#47025103)

That plan is for use should Satan rise from Hell. Though I hear that for some inexplicable reason the plan involves Saddam Hussein and a vulgarity-spewing 8 year old.

Survivalists (4, Insightful)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about 2 months ago | (#47025301)

I hang around in survivalists circles a little bit and there's a little bit of a saying there "If you can survive a zombie apocalypse you can survive almost anything" The idea of walking undead creatures with a taste for human flesh is very unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely), but the skills & tools for surviving one will prepare you for a variety of situations (natural disaster, civil unrest, economic collapse, etc). The idea of the military preparing for mass numbers of "zombies" (civilians) rising up and assaulting them is not very settling. There are not many situations in which this kind of training would be necessary except for a civilian uprising, save for some of the aspects of dealing with an defending from assault with limited resources, a breakdown of communications & no backup.

Re:Survivalists (1)

johnjaydk (584895) | about 2 months ago | (#47025419)

I hang around in survivalists circles a little bit and there's a little bit of a saying there "If you can survive a zombie apocalypse you can survive almost anything".

Can we have a disturbing mod please?. I don't know if it's up, down or by how much but DAMN I need it here.

Re:Survivalists (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | about 2 months ago | (#47026079)

Last couple years forced me to rethink a few things. I live in the suburbs of a moderate sized city, but have several hundred acres of farmland a couple hundred miles south with a place to stay, well water, septic system, small wind turbine, solar cells, and 100 acres of woods with a wood burning furnace + stove. Have the wind turbine and solar cells because I'm only down there about 1 month a year to look over the farming operations (we rent it out). So we sell most the electricity we generate back to the coop. Then at harvest time, we usually break even when it comes to running the motors for irrigation and driers in the bins.

I have the guns from my grandfather, a double barrel 12ga goose gun, a .22 Stevens single shot rifle, 1903 Springfield, a M1911, and a Walther PP trophy gun from WWII plus I have a AR, 2 9mm pistols for CCW (same model), a Mosin Nagant, a .38 revolver, and a .40S&W pistol. I figured the common thought of "Keep standard calibers and you'll be able to find ammo" was a good one. I used to keep enough ammo around to load magazines once. Basically enough that if I wanted to run to the range and didn't have time to stop off at the store to pick up ammo I could. The most I kept around was about a brick of .22 that would last me a year.

Well when the craziness happened after Sandy Hook the only thing I could find regularly was .40S&W and 30-06 Springfield. I sold one of my AR's during that time for nearly 3x what I paid for it. I kept the money in a savings account and recently bought a second safe for ammo. In the past few months I've probably bought enough ammo to be on a watch list as I've stocked up on 3000 rounds of 5.56, 3000 rounds of 9mm, 1000 rounds of .40, 250 rounds of .45ACP, 880 rounds of 7.62x54r, 300 rounds of .38, and 200 rounds of 30-06. And I intend on keeping this supply as reserve and not to shoot. If .22LR ever comes back into stock (hoarders are the main problem right now), I'll probably stock up of 5,000 - 10,000 rounds of that over time. (buy a brick a week for a couple months).

Five years ago I wouldn't have done that.

Re:Survivalists (1)

Alomex (148003) | about 2 months ago | (#47026479)

If civilization collapses a few rounds of ammo won't do you any good. Furthermore going alone is the worst plan ever. Band of marauders desperate for food would eventually over run you in no time. The closest thing we have for a guide was the medieval period in which fortified city states were created. Kind of like in Mad Max but each settlement would be substantially larger, in order to assemble a substantive defense force.

Re:Survivalists (1)

chihowa (366380) | about 2 months ago | (#47027829)

Bands of marauders would have to find an isolated place in order to overrun it (the solar panels are probably fine, but the wind turbine and wood stove might attract people from afar). Nobody's going to travel hundreds of miles into the middle of nowhere in the hopes of finding supplies. Most of the rounds he's hoarding can be used for hunting, too.

In the medieval period, repelling multiple armed attackers required architectural defenses and a similar number of trained fighters. That hasn't really been the case since the invention of the firearm. A single person (or a few people) with a bunch of bullets in a reasonably well selected location could keep off a bunch of desperate marauders long enough to make them decide to move on.

Re:Survivalists (1)

Alomex (148003) | about 2 months ago | (#47028481)

That hasn't really been the case since the invention of the firearm

I must have imagined concrete bunkers and pill boxes all over Europe.

A single person (or a few people) with a bunch of bullets in a reasonably well selected location

Erh, nowadays we have this thing called artillery. A band of marauders is likely to have availed themselves to at least one piece.

Re:Survivalists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47027385)

Why not help humanity reach higher states of compassion and consciousness instead of wasting energy and resources on fear and paranoia?

Re:Survivalists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47027865)

That sounds awesome. Any details on how to actually do that?

Re:Survivalists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47026219)

The idea of walking undead creatures with a taste for human flesh is very unlikely (not impossible, but unlikely)

I'm stumped. Please enlighten me as to the scenarios where this is possible?

Re:Survivalists (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about 2 months ago | (#47026409)

Please enlighten me as to the scenarios where this is possible?

You might want to Google "Boko Haram"

Re:Survivalists (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 months ago | (#47027943)

I vote for a nuke strike over Kansas, taking out most of the USA with an EMP, followed by a ground assault by China with troops garrisoned in Mexico or Russia flooding across after the EMP

Just a disguise (3, Interesting)

YoungManKlaus (2773165) | about 2 months ago | (#47025355)

that plan actually covers the uprising of large parts of the population against the government.

There should be a game of this (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 2 months ago | (#47025375)

To have any chance, all dead who haven't completely disintegrated would have to zerg rush military bases. That's the only possible way.

It's like Risk, Japan has to take Hawaii, or not, but it's decided early on.

An alternate strategy, attack and convert the populace early, would just suffer the same fate even if successful.

Now, take out ammo plants, that might work if your zergs can out-attrit bullet stores in bases.

After collapse: Hordes of famished people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025489)

They know what's coming.

MIT has calculated 40 years ago that our civilization will collapse, having reached it's limit for growth, somewhere around the years 2030.

These calculations, statistical analysis and mathematical modeling have been confirmed many times with new data available since the '70s.

What they are preparing for, is the hordes of zombie like famished people roaming cities and countryside looking for something to eat and no choice other than doing anything for it.

See here the latest confirmation of the MIT's calculations:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/looking-back-on-the-limits-of-growth-125269840/?no-ist=

Not hard to imagin a need to.. (1)

MonsterMasher (518641) | about 2 months ago | (#47025609)

Some viral contagions could be so bad that you have to kill at a distance, and stay the f away from the body without super spaceship equipment.
.
A contagion that runs a high fever and huge agitation could turn a block of your neighborhood into a zombie movie scene.
.
Believe it.
.
(PS. They are training to get the soldiers use to the idea of killing their own family when they are going through your city block rounding up 'bad people,' like you are likely.)
.

We're screwed! (1)

PPH (736903) | about 2 months ago | (#47025807)

I went to read the plan from the link in TFS. It sent me to a document hosted on scribd.com, which required a facebook login to download. So this means that in order to defend ourselves against a zombie attack, we will have to be assimilated so we can even read the plan.

The Zombie Attack has already started (1)

bswarm (2540294) | about 2 months ago | (#47025851)

Brainless Walking Dead, that describes most of the politicians running/ruining the country right now.

Re:The Zombie Attack has already started (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47025997)

LOL. if politicians are brainless, why is it that you are the one that is getting screwed over?

Re:The Zombie Attack has already started (1)

bswarm (2540294) | about 2 months ago | (#47026101)

Because zombies only care about feeding themselves.

Ah but conservative Voters fit better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47027013)

1) Conservatives vote brainlessly on dead social issues where the public was only on their site when they were alive.

2) They screw themselves by supporting people and policies against their own interests-- that is just brainless!

3) They are after the brains of others; just like killing the golden goose they attack the sources of the great stuff they wish to have. Anti-science but their whole life is loaded with the results of it, if not having science give them their life and keep it in the 1st place!

Mostly it's #1 and #2 is only similar in that they are incredibly stupid.

Funny Read (1)

Tyler Durden (136036) | about 2 months ago | (#47025969)

From the Pentagon's document, under Zombie Threat Summary (section 4.6 vii)...

2. (U) Of note, where normal carniverouse zombie commonly groan the word "brains" semi-comprehensibly, VZ's [vegetarian zombies] can be identified by their aversion to humans, affinity for plants and their tendency to semi-comprehensibly groan the word "grains".

Re:Funny Read (1)

snookiex (1814614) | about 2 months ago | (#47027073)

I found specially funny the possibility of facing EMZ (Evil Magic Zombies)

Zombies as a metaphore (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47027685)

Zombies have always been a metaphor for the less-intelligent and technologically underequipped races.

In any sort of US collapse scenario the military will need to exterminate any rioters that threaten the 1% who have been chosen to survive. The military will better armed, more mobile. They will only lack numbers. Should they be surrounded by a pack of "zombies" and their supplies run dry, they face certain doom.

These scenarios are just a way of training for mass scale slaughter of Americans.

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