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Massive Storm Buries US East Coast In Snow and Ice

timothy posted about 7 months ago | from the how-about-that-sports-weather dept.

Earth 290

First time accepted submitter anthonycarlson writes "The second wintry storm in two weeks to hit the normally balmy south U.S. has encrusted highways, trees and power lines in ice, knocking out electricity to nearly a half-million homes and businesses." Kids are out of school, and houses are out of power, in much of a region that normally gets much rarer and lighter snowfall. If you're socked in, or if you're in the East Coast storm zone but have to venture out anyhow, what's been your experience? Some of the pictures are pretty impressive. Update: 02/13 17:24 GMT by T : Google Maps has a handy guide to weather alerts, shelters, and traffic info for those affected by the storm. (Hat tip to Chris DiBona.)

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Wow has it come to this (3, Insightful)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 7 months ago | (#46237649)

Kids making snowmen is considered geeky

Re:Wow has it come to this (2)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about 7 months ago | (#46237783)

Kids making snowmen is considered geeky

Apparently even news for nerds is boycotting the Beta.

Re:Wow has it come to this (2)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 7 months ago | (#46237873)

Bearing in mind these days in order to rebel against their parents kids are having to go t-total, drug free and celibate

Dad you're fucked you need to speak to my financial adviser

*Slits Wrist*

OK (1)

SomeRADDude (635369) | about 7 months ago | (#46237655)

Everything is coated in snow and ice, we still have power and internet. Our kids have been home since Monday school dismissal and depending on how much thawing happens today, they may well miss school tomorrow as well.

you know you're old when... (3, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | about 7 months ago | (#46237991)

Monster lizard ravages east coast! Mayors in five New England cities have issued emergency requests for federal disaster relief as a result of a giant lizard that descended on the east coast last night! Officials say that this lizard, the worst since '78, has devastated transportation, disrupted communication, and left many hundreds homeless!

meh (2)

rarebird (1180035) | about 7 months ago | (#46237659)

just looks like minnesota in an average winter...

It's not the same (4, Insightful)

yelvington (8169) | about 7 months ago | (#46237823)

I lived through 14 Minnesota winters, and after a similar period in the South, I can say they're really not similar.

Southern pines are spectacular, much taller than those typical in Minnesota, because they can grow for years without being beaten down by the weather. When once in a decade or so they get coated with ice, the result is chaos -- whole trees snapping five feet above ground, crashing through attics into living rooms, tearing down power lines along the way. It sounds like cannon fire echoing through the woods.

The problems of winter hitting the South are not limited to lack of equipment, preparation, or winter driving skills. Nature just isn't ready for it.

Re:It's not the same (5, Informative)

DarkOx (621550) | about 7 months ago | (#46237961)

I have spent alot of years both in Minneapolis and in Wilkesboro NC. There is nothing similar about the winters. MN does not get icing like they do in the South except on very very rare occasions because its always cold in MN winter. The precip comes down as snow and it stays snow. MN has the interesting property that the snow gets deeper and deeper because it never melts, which cause load problems on roof tops and like but the snow mostly shakes out of trees and finds its way to the ground before it does them any harm.

Both places have their winter weather challenges but they are very different.

Re:It's not the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238041)

Wilkesboro NC - I spent a few years there. Loved and miss it.

Re:It's not the same (5, Insightful)

mistapotta (941143) | about 7 months ago | (#46238081)

This. When the ground temps hover around 40F, the snow melts quite easily. Then the air temps get in the 20's and water refreezes on the road. The ice is much more dangerous than the snow. That's why we close schools, businesses, etc.

And it's not the dusting that we get annually. We can handle that. It's when we get 2-3 inches of precipitation that forms ice on our roads that makes it dangerous. We don't drive with bags of kitty litter in our trunks, or just whip out our chains when it gets dangerous. So we shut down. If its orchestrated well, it's a fun holiday we can all laugh about afterwards (See "The Snow" [mysanantonio.com] from San Antonio, 1985. If it's not orchestrated well, well... [cnn.com]

We can all complain how people in other regions can't handle unconventional weather - Hurricanes in New York (don't build where it floods), 100F+ temps in the Midwest (install air conditioners), Snow in the deep south (buy more snowplows, chains, salt, sand, etc.) Yes, there are solutions that make the situations tenable. No, the capital investment for an event that happens every xx years isn't worth the financial losses from shutting down the city for the time it takes to deal with the situation.

Crazy southern people (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238365)

I'm in Wisconsin. We don't all have 4x4 drive, tire chains are ILLEGAL, I have no kitty litter in my trunk, and ice happens all the time. I drive a shitty little versa with 2 year old all-season tires, most people in Wisconsin drive normal 2 wheel drive cars, I drove into work in snow and white-out this morning and the plows have not even left the county garage yet. Made it in just fine, drove 10 under the speed limit, made sure to keep 5 car lengths away from the car ahead, and looked ahead for anyone slipping out in front of me.
You people down south have this outsized idea of what a snowstorm is, and what we in the north do about it. Sure, a 1 foot overnight dump needs plows, and salt keeps the fender benders down.. However:
In reality, the problem you have with this weather is not the temperature, the amount of ice, or your spending on road crews, amount of experience with snow.
It is YOU.
Almost to a person you don't drive safely even in good weather. I've been down there and even grandmas' tailgate on completely un-crowded roads. You speed to such a degree that when people go the posted speed limit you all totally go bonkers road rage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-Ox0ZmVIU
Hell, many people think you should be arrested for going the posted speed limit!
I've been down south and saw in one day 10 cars/truck in the ditches because of RAIN. Fucking RAIN. You guys know what that is right? It happens, you know, as weather down there all the time?? Right?
Slow the fuck down, start reducing speed half a block away from the stop sign or curve, look further ahead than your shitty wafflehouse coffee in your hand, stop tailgating, accelerate slowly, don't be Yee-Haww idiots.. Also, did I mention slow the fuck down?

Re:It's not the same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238389)

Nature just isn't ready for it?

Hey, Nature - DEAL WITH IT!

Re:meh (1)

sensei moreh (868829) | about 7 months ago | (#46238001)

Not the same as down south. Been there, done that, glad to be away from it. Here in Minnesota, we get the snow, the ass-freezing cold, and the biting wind chill, but typically avoid most of the ice.

Re:meh (3, Funny)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 7 months ago | (#46238199)

but typically avoid most of the ice

Not to mention the Southerners... (sorry, Moreh-san; it needed to be said). :p

Eastern Ontario - sunny and clear (2)

RichMan (8097) | about 7 months ago | (#46237677)

Up here where the US cold comes from it is nice and sunny and clear. Cold, but clear beautiful days.

For you Yanks, here is the Canadian Forecast, temperatures in celsius
http://weather.gc.ca/canada_e.... [weather.gc.ca]

Re:Eastern Ontario - sunny and clear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237801)

So -10C is about 14F...here in Minnesota we've had about three weeks of below 0F (-18C) weather, but the temperature isn't horrible its the windchill that sucks out on the prairie...you(Eastern Ontario) aren't really sending us any cold weather weather...come back when you are posting from Regina and we'll talk.

Re:Eastern Ontario - sunny and clear (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237825)

I grew up in Connecticut, USA and I thought I knew what cold weather was.

Then on business in February of one year (1998), I experienced the coldest I have ever been in my life in Toronto. Every time the wind blew, even the locals were hiding behind pillars and buildings.

Alex Lifeson's club was great - one of the guitar players from 'Warrant' was playing, the drummer was 'Karim' (sp?) and (dammit) I forgot who the bassist was. They played covers all night and it was worth the freeze - the only happy memory from that job.

I also learned what a "Maritimer" was and what peeling certain labels off of long neck beer bottles meant - it was described to me - unfortunately, I didn't learn first hand :( And there were a lot of pretty women there too.

Oh well. *sigh*

Ok (And Crazy) In Alabama (1)

smpoole7 (1467717) | about 7 months ago | (#46237685)

I think everyone here learned from the Snowpocalypse last week. Most people stayed off the roads.

"Winter" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237687)

The tilt of the Earth's axis relative to its orbital plane plays a big role in the weather. The Earth is tilted at an angle of 23.44 to the plane of its orbit, and this causes different latitudes on the Earth to directly face the Sun as the Earth moves through its orbit. It is this variation that primarily brings about the seasons. When it is winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere faces the Sun more directly and thus experiences warmer temperatures than the Northern Hemisphere. Conversely, winter in the Southern Hemisphere occurs when the Northern hemisphere is tilted more toward the Sun. From the perspective of an observer on the Earth, the winter Sun has a lower maximum altitude in the sky than the summer Sun.

During winter in either hemisphere, the lower altitude of the Sun causes the sunlight to hit that hemisphere at an oblique angle. In regions experiencing winter, the same amount of solar radiation is spread out over a larger area. This effect is compounded by the larger distance that the light must travel through the atmosphere, allowing the atmosphere to dissipate more heat. Compared with these effects, the changes in the distance of the earth from the sun are negligible.

Awesome satelite photos (5, Informative)

Yonkeltron (720465) | about 7 months ago | (#46237689)

The GOES imagery [noaa.gov] has looked really cool as of late. As I've watched the storm travel west and then north, it's been really awesome to see the progression and the effects of the Coriolis force.

Where I live, that's normal weather (-1, Troll)

DontBlameCanada (1325547) | about 7 months ago | (#46237699)

Americans need to toughen up. Cancelling work and school because of a bit of ice and snow? Oi, your forefathers who blazed the trails to the west and through the mountains must be spinning like tops in their graves.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 7 months ago | (#46237727)

Americans need to toughen up. Cancelling work and school because of a bit of ice and snow? Oi, your forefathers who blazed the trails to the west and through the mountains must be spinning like tops in their graves.

How well is your local government set up to handle hurricanes? Oh, they aren't, because you never get hit by hurricanes?

Well, that's basically the issue in the South right now; perhaps you should go ahead and knock that chip of your shoulder.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

Frigga's Ring (1044024) | about 7 months ago | (#46238069)

Here in Eastern Massachusetts, we do get hit by hurricanes as well. And admittedly, they're hardly the strength that hits Florida or the Outer Banks, but they can still cause significant damage to the area. If your town's infrastructure isn't designed to handle the ice and snow, I both understand and offer my sympathy. However, I do look in amazement at scenes of the roadside carnage in the south caused by what I perceive as a dusting of snow. It's the same look I get when I complain to my store managers in Florida about it being oppressively hot in Boston when it's 'only' 96 degrees in August.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46238269)

How earthquake prepared is your city?

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

mellon (7048) | about 7 months ago | (#46238187)

Hurricane Irene trashed half the bridges in Vermont two years ago, washed entire houses off their foundations, and washed away many miles of road. By the time the ski season started, all the roads had been rebuilt, sometimes involving adding sixteen feet tall fill for miles. The bridges hadn't been rebuilt, but we'd put in temporary bridges so traffic could pass. The big problem was and remains housing, but local government has done a lot to ameliorate the situation.

There was a pretty good article recently about the fiasco in Atlanta; apparently part of the problem there is that there are so many different local governments who don't coordinate with each other that it's very difficult to address problems caused by weather.

None of that negates the point that ice all over the roads is damned hard to deal with if you don't have enough sand trucks and salt piles. But we have that problem in Vermont too, and a big part of every town's budget and the state's budget is allocated to dealing with it when winter comes. Cold weather happens in the South too, and it can be planned for, but doing it costs money. I suspect that's the biggest part of the problem. In Vermont, we have no choice—these events happen _every_ winter, so elected officials who don't plan for it aren't around the following winter. In Atlanta, the feedback loop is much weaker.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238189)

Not the best topic you could have picked, since the US "hurricane states" are apparently not all that prepared to deal with hurricanes either cough cough Katrina cough

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237755)

America is a big place. I live in North Dakota and we still had to go to work when it was -50 wind chill/ -30 actual temperature. The East side of the country is just not used to it like the rest of us up North.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (3, Insightful)

Nos. (179609) | about 7 months ago | (#46237777)

As another poster said, this isn't fair. Lots of us drive with winter tires, I doubt anyone down there has even heard of them.

We (most Canadians) have the equipment and machinery to clear snow, maintain highways, and the experience to get around in these conditions. They don't.

Snow competency increases with distance north (1)

Etherwalk (681268) | about 7 months ago | (#46238233)

As another poster said, this isn't fair. Lots of us drive with winter tires, I doubt anyone down there has even heard of them.

We (most Canadians) have the equipment and machinery to clear snow, maintain highways, and the experience to get around in these conditions. They don't.

DC is generally comic in snow, mostly because the drivers just don't know how to drive in it. I remember seeing a UPS truck try to get unstuck for an hour with no progress.

Around New York, you get a lot of people who basically know how to deal with it, but they don't always do it very intelligently. The left and right turn lanes on United States Route 1 in New Rochelle, for example, have been covered in snow for a week and they don't bother to plow them, instead just keeping the main lanes clear and letting people turn out of those.

In Canada, they are used to snow and *know* they they could get another six feet of it to deal with in the next two or three storms, so they keep the roads cleared *WAY* back. The undivided two-lane highways with unpaved shoulders are plowed to ten feet off the road in either side.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (3, Informative)

Greyfox (87712) | about 7 months ago | (#46237887)

I was going to go into work, but I can't find a mule on short notice. :-P

When I was living down south, I usually ran my tires down to the wires as you can mostly get away with that down there. A good set of new all-season radials goes a long way toward making those crappy roads passable, even with rear wheel drive. Other problem down there is they're not really set up to clear the roads at all, so you get a lot more ice and snow on the road than you do in northern regions. Where I live now I swap my tires out a lot more often and they put some stuff down that keeps the roads more-or-less melted. Though a few days ago I drove in to work on top of a 2" thick layer of ice and didn't have a problem with it. Well... other than the huge temptation to do donuts in the parking lot on top of 2 inches of ice...

Having had 5 days of power outages in the last 4 years, I'm pretty much over expecting the power company to deliver power when I need it most. A backup generator is high on my list of priorities.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 7 months ago | (#46237939)

Five days of power outages in four years? I envy you. Where I grew up, it wasn't unusual to lose power several times in the summer to lightning and once or twice in the winter to ice. Since moving to the suburbs, we haven't had an outage last more than few seconds in the last four years but I still keep flashlights in every room and a stock of lanterns in the basement. I'm also equipped to run the essentials off of the car if necessary, although odds are I'll never have to.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#46238267)

"so you get a lot more ice and snow on the road than you do in northern regions."

Ive been driving on 6 inches of ice and snow in the roads for the past month. Yes this is plowed roads. I have 8 inches of it hard packed in my driveway.

Re: Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237943)

When you get a storm like this once every ten years, it isn't cost-effective to keep equipment worth tens of millions of dollars around for years just gathering dust. When you don't have the equipment, you are ill-equipped to deal with winter weather, and it's much more difficult to manage conditions like this when they do occur. To put it bluntly, the south is doing exactly the right thing: shelter and wait it out.

Re: Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

mellon (7048) | about 7 months ago | (#46238203)

New York City uses garbage trucks as snowplows. There are ways of making it work.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237959)

Many of us commute further for work than in a day than our forefathers' covered wagons travelled in a week. In ideal conditions they could cover about 100 miles,

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 7 months ago | (#46237985)

Americans need to toughen up. Cancelling work and school because of a bit of ice and snow?

Right, because places which have palm trees and warmer climates are entirely prepared for stuff like this.

Hell, I go to Myrtle Beach in the middle of winter to get away from winter here ... and I can assure you, snow and ice would happen infrequently enough to cause complete havoc, because it's a place where the golf courses are open year round.

Not so long ago (1999) Toronto called in the army because they had a lot of snow -- if a Canadian city which normally gets winter can be crippled by it, imagine a place where snow and ice is a rare and exceptional event.

Never underestimate just how much of a mess what we call a small amount of snow can cause in a place which doesn't normally have to deal with it.

If you have alligators and palm trees, it doesn't take much to really throw stuff into disarray.

Seriously, don't be a douche.

Re:Where I live, that's normal weather (1)

Ken D (100098) | about 7 months ago | (#46238163)

...and what kind of road congestion does Canada have?

The whole nation of Canada has 35m people. Metro Boston has around 5m. Metro NYC has 20m.

In Boston on a good day the roads are jam packed and your commute takes way longer than it should. Throw in an accident along the way and your commute can be a major pain.

Now consider dramatically slower travel speeds, a mere handful of fender benders. That commute is just not worth it. What's the point of having your 1hour commute turn into 2 or 3? each way.

HAARP to push carbon taxes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237701)

It's not a conspiracy theory that HAARP can move the jetstream, that is what it was designed to do. It can create a huge bubble in the ionosphere 40 miles high by heating it, and they can aim where they do it.

Re:HAARP to push carbon taxes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237779)

It's not a conspiracy theory that HAARP can move the jetstream, that is what it was designed to do. It can create a huge bubble in the ionosphere 40 miles high by heating it, and they can aim where they do it.

Uhh, yeah it is, dipshit.

Shine any laser pointers on aircraft to stop them from "chemtrailing" you?

Re:HAARP to push carbon taxes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237913)

Uhh, no it is not, asshole.

Re:HAARP to push carbon taxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238061)

Chemtrail patents:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/an-extensive-list-of-patents/

Scientists openly discussing geoengineering and "Solar Radiation Management (SMR) approach, which involves reflecting sunlight to space."
http://www.aaas.org/news/researchers-discuss-understudied-geoengineering-approaches-climate-change

You southerns are a bunch of wimps. (0)

jellomizer (103300) | about 7 months ago | (#46237705)

The storm just started hitting the east coast this morning and we already have more snow then you guys, while there are a lot of school closings there are still a bunch open, and heck I am still at work today too...

Sure it sucks, but you just kinda deal with it. I though that was the red state motto?

Re:You southerns are a bunch of wimps. (5, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 7 months ago | (#46237781)

Bad weather isn't a problem, unexpected bad weather is. Where I used to live (in the UK, so no red vs blue today), we had one day of snow pretty much every year. The city council decided to be very cautious and ensured that they had enough salt and grit available to keep the roads clear if they had a one-week snowfall. One year, we had two weeks of solid snowfall and temperatures below freezing and the whole place ground to a halt. Meanwhile, places a bit further north were fine because they typically had snow all winter and so had prepared for it. Now, you could argue that my council should have prepared for the snow better, but in the 10 years that I lived there I only saw more than one day a year of snow that one winter - maintaining the equipment reserves to handle it every year would have been expensive and you can bet people would have complained about the waste of taxpayers' money.

Re:You southerns are a bunch of wimps. (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | about 7 months ago | (#46237849)

But during that week that they were prepared for, they had the chance to order additional salt and grit. At a higher price, of course, but still. While keeping a 2 weeks stock all years may not be worth it, a week (at least down here) would be enough to pull additional stuff from the next step in the supply chain, if forcast indicates so.

Re:You southerns are a bunch of wimps. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 7 months ago | (#46238295)

Not really. How many people do you think can deliver tons of salt and grit (in quantities of a factor of ten more than they normally sell you) at a few days notice, in unusually bad weather? And if you find someone, then you have to distribute it (something that's usually done in the summer, when the roads are clear and you can put it in strategic locations where the gritting trucks can easily collect it.

Re:You southerns are a bunch of wimps. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237813)

On the same note, you northerners handled hurricane Sandy (cat-2 @ northeast) like wimps. Just wear some boots next time.

Re:You southerns are a bunch of wimps. (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 7 months ago | (#46238051)

No kidding. Here in FL, that would barely have qualified as a rainstorm

Re:You southerns are a bunch of wimps. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238275)

As often and as thoroughly as this attitude has been shown to be utterly and wholly ignorant, you are either trolling, or you suffer from a degree of stupid so profound that it should be named.

Average -20C day in Canada (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 7 months ago | (#46237723)

-30C with the wind chill.

Re:Average -20C day in Canada (3, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | about 7 months ago | (#46237763)

Average -20C day in Canada

Yes. But it is a "dry cold."

Re: Average -20C day in Canada (2)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 7 months ago | (#46238291)

Knock it off

Sorry... Not a big deal... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237731)

Sorry, not a big deal, we get winter storms up here in NY all the time... not a big deal. Plows clear road. throw salt down. problem solved. Panic is only reserved if we are hit with 2+ feet of snow. Not a couple of inches.

oh yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237865)

How'd you guys do with that last hurricane?

Re:oh yeah? (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 7 months ago | (#46238079)

In all fairness, it was a *CATEGORY 2* hurricane. Ooooooh! LOL!

Re:Sorry... Not a big deal... (4, Insightful)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 7 months ago | (#46237889)

I'm also in NY. I've lived in Central, Upstate and now Western NY. Without the plows and salt trucks, 90% of the people here wouldn't fare much better than those in Georgia. Why don't they have that equipment? You try explaining to taxpayers that they need to buy and maintain millions of dollars worth of equipment for a scenario that might not happen. It's the same reason we don't have a whole lot of equipment to handle hurricanes or earthquakes here. Sure, it could happen, but it's rare enough that it's not worth the money to put in a whole lot of preparation.

Re:Sorry... Not a big deal... (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about 7 months ago | (#46238221)

Sorry, but in the south, snow is not a big deal either. Plows can plow snow, and cars can drive reasonably well in snow. The problem is that in the south, ice is at least as frequent an occurrence as snow. Winter storms often occur during a temperature inversion, meaning we have warm (above freezing anyway) humid air aloft and below freezing air at ground level. Precipitation falls as rain, and depending on the temperature of the rain and the height and temperature of the ground level air, it will either fall as sleet, or worse, as rain which freezes on impact. We often have 1/4" or more of freezing rain. I have seen greater than an inch of freezing rain in the past. In my state, we have had freezing rain three times this winter, and we have had snow twice. Snow is not a big deal for cars, and plows can remove it. Ice is crappy to drive on and plowing is useless.

Its not that bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237757)

FFS people, its snow. Not a nuclear meltdown. Man up.

Re:Its not that bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237775)

Unless the snow comes from the Pacific ocean...

Re:Its not that bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238033)

If we actually got snow, it wouldn't have been a problem. Instead, we got enough freezing rain glazing everything to drop whole trees on houses, power lines, and roads.

Alright, which one of you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237767)

left the snow 3D printer on?

Al Gore... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237789)

Someone buy more carbon credits so the snow will stop!

Re:Al Gore... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238023)

Why is it that the deniers can always find the cold spots and use them as "evidence", but the warm spots never seem to come up?

If you're a denier, and stupid enough to believe that the temperature outside your door is the proof of AGW, go to this forbidden link:

http://www.weather.com/news/al... [weather.com]

Warning, you may suffer a cognitive dissonance attack and utterly reject the truth again.

Re:Al Gore... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238125)

Climate is always changing. AGW has been completely debunked by the NIPCC reports... go to this forbidden link:

http://www.nipccreport.org

Warning, you may suffer a congnitive dissonance attack and utterly reject the truth again.

Meanwhile in Finland (3, Informative)

jones_supa (887896) | about 7 months ago | (#46237793)

+1C, all snow soon melted away.

Re:Meanwhile in Finland (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237875)

Good, we will send you our rednecks

Re:Meanwhile in Finland (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238285)

Yeah, but to be fair that's 274K. *Nothing* can withstand that temperature.

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HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NEWS FOR NERDS?!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237815)

Unless this affects data centers or affects the computer and electronic technology in someway then it should not be on the fucking front page of $lashdot. Between $lashdot beta and this shit Dice Holdings, who is turning Sourceforge into another Crap-Net "Digital Domain" filled with malware infested downloads of open-source software, is turning $lashdot into the crappy mainstream news outlet like Faux News, Crap News Network, M$NBC, etc. $lashdot and $ourceforge will go the way of hobbyists, beaten down by the sheep in society which are like the jocks in High School with the hoobyists/Nerds being beaten down the jocks in high school. Goodbye $lashdot, it was nice knowing you in your former glory, news for us nerds, not for the mindless sheeple in society.

Re:HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NEWS FOR NERDS?!? (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 7 months ago | (#46238005)

Probably /. expects some people to correlate this snow event with global warming, climate changes etc... Because that storm is rather special..

Re:HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NEWS FOR NERDS?!? (1)

VanessaE (970834) | about 7 months ago | (#46238309)

Maybe because this falls squarely under the "stuff that matters" part of the old tagline?

Power grid (1)

NapalmV (1934294) | about 7 months ago | (#46237841)

It continuously amazes me that people would easily pay in excess of 50k in order to get the largest SUVs ever, yet they would fight teeth and nails against an one time 3k fee to get their power lines buried. The SUVs have been proven useless during the ice storms, while having electrical power was proven to be priceless.

Re:Power grid (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 7 months ago | (#46237975)

I'd like to see your citation for burying power lines to be a "one time 3k fee". Especially in cities and similar built-up areas that are the most affected. You'd also need to bury the transformers and all of the other gear currently on poles and any other points of failure. And then when you do need to do maintenance on those buried lines, the cost of unburying and reburying them is still significant. The much more economical option is to simply get your own backup source of power, be it a generator, wind or solar - whichever suits your anticipated situation best.

Re:Power grid (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46238301)

3k per person is , generally, about right as an overall average.

"he much more economical option is to simply get your own backup source of power,"
not really.
A backup to completely run all appliances as if you had normal power for a week is more then 3 K

Re: Power grid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238315)

I would like to see his citation of everyone clamoring to buy 50k SUVs. I drive a paid-for Ford Ranger and it was only $15k brand new with 0% interest.

Wintry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237851)

I think I found the name for the next Linux Distribution that has Wine installed by default.

Gov Christie weighs in (at 300 lbs heh) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46237921)

From TFA:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie struck a similar tone.

"I think what you can anticipate is it might be a day to stay inside and stay warn," he said. "And not worry about traveling around the roads too much. I want people to stay safe."

Yeah, you wouldn't want to be stuck on a bridge for many hours while emergency vehicles are unable to get to the hospital.

Rare? (3, Informative)

CodeArtisan (795142) | about 7 months ago | (#46237929)

I have lived in Connecticut for 17 years. There is nothing rare about the amount of snow that is falling today. It doesn't happen every week, but 12 inches (or whatever we are going to get today) is not exactly Biblical. Mild winters are the rare events.

Some real winners there (1)

Pope (17780) | about 7 months ago | (#46237947)

Kathy Davies Muzzey of Wilmington, N.C., said she hid the car keys from her husband, John, on Tuesday night because he was thinking about driving to Chapel Hill for the Duke-UNC basketball game. He has missed only two games between the rivals since he left school in the late 1960s.

Yeah, driving in a snow storm for a fucking college basketball game. Good to see people's priorities are straight!

Soo Keith of Raleigh left work about a little after noon, thinking she would have plenty of time to get home before the worst of the snow hit.

Instead, Keith, who is three months pregnant, drove a few miles in about two hours and decided to park and start walking, wearing dress shoes and a coat that wouldn’t zip over her belly.

Do people not read the news or weather forecasts or something?

Re:Some real winners there (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 7 months ago | (#46238133)

Do people not read the news or weather forecasts or something?

Unfortunately, some people's jobs force them to go in, even in a blizzard.

Re:YoU Fail It... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 7 months ago | (#46238085)

This weird BSD spam has been around for something like a decade already.

Here in Baltimore (1)

scorp1us (235526) | about 7 months ago | (#46237965)

We got a light, dry snow over night. Its now lightly raining, packing the top layer. If you haven't started shoveling, do it now before it gets too heavy. I've got about 14" and the top 3 are as heavy as than the bottom 11.

No ice yet, though its 31.

Re:Here in Baltimore (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 7 months ago | (#46238089)

I'm in Northern Virginia. Similar weather here. Probably about 10-12" so far, all light. No rain yet though, thank FSM. I dug my Jeep out and drove around the block, but barely. Roads are plowed but the snow is coming down hard still and covering the roads.

Re:Here in Baltimore (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Codger (96717) | about 7 months ago | (#46238293)

Silver Spring, here. Shovel now, like you suggest, and you'll have ice directly on the sidewalk and the car. Have fun with that! I'm waiting until it's over so the ice is on top of the snow where it's easy to remove.

Important note (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46238317)

Take it weasy. Shoveling snow causes e lot of heart attacks every yeah. Shovel lightly, shovel often.

In Wisconsin... (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 7 months ago | (#46237967)

It was -5F yesterday and we got about 4 inches of snow. Nothing closed, the roads were fine, traffic was fine, and I even went out to eat. I heard parts of the East coast were acting like it was WWIII because 2 inches of snow was coming and people were known to drive 5MPH through it. I think everyone out there just needs to grow some balls and learn how to drive. I believe WI got around 3-4 feet of snow this winter so far.

As for the power outage from a tiny amount of snow? Umm...you built it wrong. Last time we got 8 inches, one traffic light failed. That's it.

Re:In Wisconsin... (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 7 months ago | (#46238019)

I live in New York, where it was also about -5F yesterday. And if we get two inches of snow before the plows get out, some people start driving 5MPH and thus slowing ALL traffic. And these are people who have lived in these conditions their entire lives. There's also the matter of southerners not having experience driving in snow any more than northerners are well prepared for going out in 115 degree summer heat.

As another poster mentioned, the power outages are sometimes caused by nature - in his example, it's because southern pines can grow so much taller due to the lack of regular winter... so when they do freeze and snap, it's a much larger tree coming down on the power lines. Power outages are almost never caused by the snow itself... usually either ice or the cold itself causing complications.

What the yankees don't realize (1)

MATTtheROGUE (606800) | about 7 months ago | (#46237971)

We never want the south to be prepared for snow. Having a day off (or being forced to work from home) is exactly why we panic when it snows.

Global Warming .... Riiiiiight..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238017)

Remember these tards say that "its got to get colder to get warmer...." (the Warmists of course who Im talking about)

I swear when the revolution comes these tards will be staked outside in their underwear to bask in the sun. -- 2 days and they will all be dead of frostbite. READ a littkle and stop following those leftards who want you to surrender to them and their stupid hoax theories.

ELSE
All the other tards who are for destroying our energy infrastructure in the name of 'carbon bullshit' YOU will be at the bottom of the list to get any power that isnt 'solar' or 'windpowered' and will be thawed out and buried at the end of the first winter.

Dont forget your pal Algore still spouting his tripe (who was to make a billion off running a carbon credit speculation scam) he will be in prison for that fraud - wait and see.

Re:Global Warming .... Riiiiiight..... (3, Insightful)

fredrated (639554) | about 7 months ago | (#46238173)

Just one warning: when the food supplies collapse due to global warming, we will eat the deniers like you first.

Re:Global Warming .... Riiiiiight..... (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 7 months ago | (#46238331)

Shut up.

Either learn the science and put forth something else based on science, or shut up.

Queue anti-global warming politicians and pundits (0)

Rick in China (2934527) | about 7 months ago | (#46238091)

Now is when the Gohmerts of the US chime in: "Look, we're getting unnaturally cold fronts and snow storms! There is no global warming! Paahhhhhhhh." It's amusing how the ridiculously uninformed ignorant and lacking-any-scientific-understanding loud mouths in the US clam on to "warming" in the phrase global warming, and assume that indicators need to be related to heat. Maybe amusing isn't a good descriptor, sad may be better. Prepare to hear/read more of this in the coming days.

Re:Queue anti-global warming politicians and pundi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238241)

Now is when the Gohmerts of the US chime in: "Look, we're getting unnaturally cold fronts and snow storms! There is no global warming! Paahhhhhhhh."

It's "climate change" now. So warmer or colder, you're still good.

Re:Queue anti-global warming politicians and pundi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238271)

Seeing as earlier this week we were told there would be nearly no places to hold the winter Olympics by 2080. At this point Atlanta GA sounds like it could have held it this year. Lets add on that there was supposed to be no more snow in Washington DC by 2008 and you are getting a pretty good track record of AGW alarmists always being wrong.

How many times do these "scientists" have to be wrong before you realize they are just making stuff up? So far they have a perfect track record of never being right, but since you agree with their politics you can't let a little actual observation get in the way.

Re: Queue anti-global warming politicians and pund (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238355)

The anthrogenic part is what people aren't buying. Also, there is this notion that if the climate is radically changing, it's the worst possible time to hamstring western civilization with hand-wringing self-flaggelant actions.

Speaking as a New England resident (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46238179)

This ain't all that big. We've had plenty of storms like this - and worse than this - over the years. It's just that ever news outlet wants a story, and that means making everything that happens sound like the end of the world.

ZOMG!!! SNOW!!!!

Ironically (1)

AJH16 (940784) | about 7 months ago | (#46238185)

While my parents moved to NC to avoid the winters, they are getting hit hard and in upstate NY we are barely getting a dusting.

SPRING, WHERE ARE YOU! (2)

LoRdTAW (99712) | about 7 months ago | (#46238193)

Dear Mother Nature,
You win at winter. Now please give us spring and win that one even better.

How cute... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | about 7 months ago | (#46238245)

They call that "massive snow"...

I have 6 feet of it in my front yard, and that is not massive. Houghton,MI I have seen 12 feet on the ground. THAT is massive.

Flight (1)

hbo (62590) | about 7 months ago | (#46238255)

I'm waiting to see if my SFO to CLT flight will be cancelled this morning. Oh, right. This isn't Facebook.
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