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MI5 Hiring Industrial Espionage IT Support Staff

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the you-could-be-the-james-bond-of-xss dept.

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AmiMoJo writes "A recent job posting by MI5 seeks to recruit 'Data Exploitation Specialists.' The core of the role is described as 'provid[ing] tactical solutions and operational support to business users of information exploitation systems.' In other words, industrial espionage. This open admission comes at a time when the UK and its partners are accusing China of the same thing. Pot, meet kettle?"

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MI5 doing espionage (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337637)

I'm shocked, I tell you!

Re:MI5 doing espionage (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#44337769)

I am. I thought it was MI7's job.

Re:MI5 doing espionage (1)

davester666 (731373) | about a year ago | (#44337887)

Yeah, isn't that the job of MI-6?

Re:MI5 doing espionage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44339237)

Yes. MI-5's job is counter-espionage and security.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MI5

Helping industry secure their networks should be what western intelligence agencies are all about.
The vulnerabilities of industrial systems were revealed with the Stuxnet attack on Iran's nuclear centrifuges. What's the chance attacked countries will respond in kind to those it sees as aggressors?

Re:MI5 doing espionage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44341191)

First off, any business that runs Windows can not lock down their systems. As such, these ppl do not care about security.
Secondly, we really need to run true multiple networks using vlans with western made equipment in the telephony world.
Third vlans should be split across globlal (internet), political (such as political, military, intelligence, etc), and national (utilities, hospitals,
Fourth, do NOT allow any system to move onto a network (IOW, not bring in virus from outside) for the national and political breaks.

Basically, we need to subdivide our backbones and not allow x-over for a number of these. There is no reason why a utilities business computers should be on the same network as those that handle the equipment. Now some data needs to exchange, but that can be done on a limited basis by having the equipment computer grab a file from a business computer within the office. No other exchange.

Really? (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337647)

The submitter/editor is deriving a whole lot of meaning out of words that say absolutely nothing. I can't see anything here to suggest that there's anything more to this story than the submitter/editor seeing 'exploitation' as a scary word and reading into it from there.

Nothing to see here... move along....

Re:Really? (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#44337681)

Oh please! Haven't you read ANYTHING in the past 30+ years? ALL of the major powers are spying their asses off, on each other, on their own people, hell where do you think the Chinese got their stealth tech? They bought the wreck of the wobbly goblin that went down in Kosovo, had it boxed up and shipped, and the rumor is they also paid for access to the stealth drone Iran caught.

Re:Really? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44338265)

Spy agencies spy. But saying that this job posting is specifically related to industrial spying in any way is completely unsupported, which is the premise of the submission. For all you know, and for all the posting makes clear, this could be about exploiting data to learn about how civil servants supporting the agency are scheduled and paid as to eliminate inefficiency. Reading anything more specific is this is pure paranoia. Reading your worldview, fears, and politics into a document to give it a new meaning which just isn't there is not unlike the kind of thinking that leads to the 'truther' movement, climate related pontificating (either side), and other forms of stupid group-think.

So I urge you to get a grip... after all you'll need it to pull your head out given how firmly it's planted.... and consider what is being said and what honest conclusions you can draw from it. While MI5 may very well engage in industrial espionage, this isn't the job posting you're looking for.

and? (0)

kcmastrpc (2818817) | about a year ago | (#44337665)

you guys act like this covert stuff is new. no longer do we have to recruit, train, and select from a pool of beautiful, intelligent women to extract corporate and government secrets from the higher echelons of our enemies cultural and societal ladder.

instead, just hire a neckbeard.

Leave us alone please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44339115)

Every moment needs a villain! Once in a millennia we plain folk get to b heroes.

Now... leave us!

This is nonsense (3, Informative)

u38cg (607297) | about a year ago | (#44337683)

Read the damned ad. They're looking for big data analysts, not hackers. The lead ad copy is just buzzword speak.

Re:This is nonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337859)

In other news, China is offering fully trained data analysts to UK's MI5 devision. For FREE! A gesture of goodwill...

Re: NOT nonsense. READ THE AD. (2)

RandCraw (1047302) | about a year ago | (#44338189)

Soulskill may well be right. This is NOT your everyday intel analyst:

"
As part of a pioneering IT function, you will be a key participant in the design and delivery of a variety of strategic programmes and business critical initiatives within a dynamic, challenging workplace. ...

The role

You will provide tactical solutions and operational support to business users of information exploitation systems. You will create new data ingest processes, advise team members about their design and implementation and support data management processes within our organisation.
"

I've worked inside several US intel orgs, but I've never seen a spy role where you "support business users" to better exploit THEIR data.

This *is* weird.

Re: NOT nonsense. READ THE AD. (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#44338453)

Because it has the word "business" in it, twice, right?

Wrong.

You're obviously too young to remember the fad of using "customers" to mean anyone you talked to or even looked at, and not people who buy stuff from you.

Re: NOT nonsense. READ THE AD. (1)

u38cg (607297) | about a year ago | (#44339251)

It's not wierd at all. The big deal in spookland these days is making sense of the data they have, not getting more of it. I'd guess the US have a hell of an edge in this regard and the UK is playing catchup.

Re: NOT nonsense. READ THE AD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44339979)

It's common in the UK to refer to internal stakeholders as customers or business users.

When they see business users they mean 'analysts with no technical background who need to understand this'.

Re:This is nonsense (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#44340993)

Yes, data analysts to help businesses make use of data gathered by/for MI5. The have a tap on internet backbones and access to ISP databases of metadata, and it appears they want to develop systems to let business users analyze it for commercial advantage.

Why else would MI5 be involved? Developing business intelligence software for the commercial sector is not a normal part of their remit.

Just forget intellectual property (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#44337693)

When the countries that are behind international intellectual property laws are the main offenders the whole concept turns into a worldwide scam.

Really really NOT what the ad says (4, Interesting)

Bruce66423 (1678196) | about a year ago | (#44337723)

A careful reading of the content of the ad makes it clear its about providing MI5 with the tools to exploit the data that it's collecting NOT making that data available to commercial groups. It's depressing that the poster misread it, and the editor didn't spike this submission; this is how a board like Slashdot gets known as conspiracy theorists.

Re:Really really NOT what the ad says (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337827)

AmiMoJo is theodp.

Another gold-medal contender (1)

Two99Point80 (542678) | about a year ago | (#44337761)

If only "Jumping to Conclusions" was an Olympic event!

Re:Another gold-medal contender (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44338065)

If only "Jumping to Conclusions" was an Olympic event!

That will never happen; it's not quantifiable and it requires no athletic ability.

Re:Another gold-medal contender (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44339571)

Out of points, mod parent +1 insightful.

MI5 is not MI6 (1)

auric_dude (610172) | about a year ago | (#44337799)

This, if I am correct is domestic UK job spec as befits MI5, overseas work done by MI6. This may well be in conjunction with the likes of http://www.cesg.gov.uk/Pages/homepage.aspx [cesg.gov.uk] with the aim of keeping UK business and IP safe from prying eyes.

Been this way for decades (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337855)

Remember the time Boeing got a boost from intelligence about Airbus.

Been done for decades. America is NOT our friend and we should stop treating it as such.

Re: Been this way for decades (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44339451)

France is (probably) the unnamed country everyone with a US DoD clearance is warned about in annual training, in regards to business secrets being aggressively sought after. This was years ago anyway.

They (probably) deserved it, depending who you ask.

Application Fastpath (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337901)

Hack their website, trash the other applicants CV's. Then when you're convicted ask for community service time for with MI5. So after your sentence is up, you can apply, ask for a raise, and promotion all at the same time !

JOIN specialists wanted! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44337943)

They are looking for people who can, in Hollywood-speak, 'cross-reference' data to produce information.

Submission -1: Idiot Poster and Editor (3, Insightful)

CountBrass (590228) | about a year ago | (#44338081)

Yet another argument for being able to moderate the posts themselves: and the editors who post them.

Really... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44338183)

I was hoping this was M5. Much rather work there!

Do the right thing (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#44338219)

I just hope there are a whole lot of whistleblowers in this crop.

We really need a lot more people involved in these programs to start talking to journalists or posting documents on Wikileaks. Our window to do something about this government overreach and the total surveillance state is closing fast. But we still have a shot at stopping it if there are some people working for these agencies (and for corporate snoopers) who have courage and care about future generations.

in the famous words of ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#44338887)

admiral ackbar:"IT"S A TRAP!"

Seriously, Slashdot? (1)

sirwired (27582) | about a year ago | (#44339447)

"provid[ing] tactical solutions and operational support to business users of information exploitation systems" does not mean "Industrial Espionage".

This is an ad for Data Mining staff, nothing more. The ad doesn't say anything about where the information comes from, what it's for, or what it is. "Business users" refers to non-IT staff, not people outside government being given access to privileged information. Even in government, they use the same terms as private-sector IT to refer to end-users (a.k.a. "business users") vs. IT.

I'm not saying MI5 isn't doing anything evil, but I AM saying this ad doesn't give you any new information one way or another.

Paraphrasing another poster: I see a new customer for the "Jumping to Conclusions Mat" from Office Space!

Re:Seriously, Slashdot? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#44339783)

Work out who uses ORACLE, ESRI, SQL, Java or .net in the UK and products are still export worthy... operational support may not just be data mining to find the friends of friends of friends who went back to the family's country of origin.
Past MI5 thoughts: Long term NATO disinformation files given to the Soviets after the Francois Roussilhe (via library of NATO headquarters) case in the 1960's. Was blocked by the CIA as too complex.
Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife [wikipedia.org] ie the UK could alter the IRA's Internal Security Unit files.
Industrial espionage could just be cover for slight data alternation, if your spying on a UK brand the data you steal is junk or trackable or long term private sector staff are turned to informants.

I misread M5 for MI5... (1)

zorak_94945 (585514) | about a year ago | (#44342627)

... and wondered WTF Mythbusters wanted with Data Exploitation Specialists.

"brightest minds"? (1)

tom arnall (2980783) | about a year ago | (#44345681)

"At MI5 you'll sharpen your skills working with the latest technologies and brightest minds." "Brightest minds"? Pathetic wretches. No one with a single strand of moral fiber will work for the spooks, anywhere. And a technician without moral fiber is a hireling and devoid of sustainable creativity. The brightest minds are those who work because they love it. Who but the brain-dead wd work for the most disgusting people in human history and love it? Excepted of course are those who work inside the system to wreck it ;o)

MI5 is Domestic (1)

bWareiWare.co.uk (660144) | about a year ago | (#44351615)

Apart from the reading fail of the submitter/editor. MI5 is the domestic agency; they spy on us, not on foreign businesses.

Make: (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,30 days | (#44365879)

Suck-style anti-faggots.

signed,
Ploscx

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