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The Dark Side of Amazon's New Pilots

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the none-for-you dept.

DRM 312

I've been really, really excited about digital video distribution lately: first Netflix greenlights jms's return to science fiction TV, and then Amazon announces their new pilots. Perhaps the decade long dearth of any good television is nearing its end! So, with that in mind, I finished up editing Slashdot for the day and sat down to watch some of these new pilots. Only to discover that Amazon has taken away my ability to watch entirely in the name of Digital Restrictions Management.

For ages now, Amazon Instant Video has worked with Android devices supporting Flash and, more importantly to many people (and me) it seems, through an unofficial XBMC plugin. It seemed like Amazon was happily using RTMPE to prevent casual stream interception, at least for content funded by others. But with the release of their new pilots, they enabled "Flash Access," Adobe's DRM that (for now) is actually effective.

This effectively kills access for everyone using GNU/Linux, even with the (officially unsupported) Adobe Flash plugin! The Adobe plugin relies on HAL for some DRM magic, but HAL is unmaintained, deprecated, and was removed from most major distros ages ago. You can't even install it by hand thanks to udev removing a few features HAL relied upon. Naturally, the Adobe Flash plugin is equally unmaintained so there is little hope even for people willing to install a piece of unmaintained software with a history of remotely exploitable security holes, instability, and poor performance.

But it seems the loss of access from XBMC is more widely felt: RMS cultists and pragmatic Windows users alike now suffer equally. And the folks who aren't GNU/Hippies with an anti-cloud-chip-on-their-shoulder might even be suffering more: they've lost access to shows and movies that they purchased.

There are a dozen pages on the XBMC forum of people pretty pissed, hundreds of angry posts on their Facebook wall, lengthy threads on Amazon's official forums. But so far the response from Amazon has simply been: it was never supposed to work, and we've fixed it.

In the absence of a clear response from Amazon, wild speculations as to why they decided to institute DRM abound: it's not intentional, piracy is a problem for them after all, Jeff Bezos personally wants to eat every XBMC user's cat, or it has something to do with those pilots.

I'd wager it had something to do with the pilots, or was somewhat unintentional (maybe they only meant to restrict HD content).

An XBMC forum member claims to have chatted with a support representative and gotten a suggestive answer:

Amazon Support: Okay, for Android devices we unfortunately don't support them except for the Kindle Fires so it was really lucky your phone was able to play our instant videos before. As to why they aren't working now, we just recently updated our Flash video playback support which is more than likely why it won't play now. I'm really sorry for any inconvenience this will cause you!
Me: I see. Was the flash video playback updated because of the new Amazon Original Pilots that was released recently?
Amazon Support:I'm honestly not sure if it was due to the pilots that came out, though the timing with the pilots and the update can't be coincidental :-)

Assuming it's not just a technical glitch (it happened once before, and Amazon turned the harder-to-break DRM off) and related to the pilots, why only now have they enabled proper DRM? Surely if content they fund is worth restricting then all content is worth restricting? After all, the party line has always been that DRM is imposed by those evil card carrying MPAA members, and not by enlightened tech companies who are just doing what has to be done to free us from the tyranny of broadcast television.

Is it that the content they already provide is widely available through piracy that they haven't cared before? Perhaps; stream ripping from Amazon/Netflix/Hulu and transforming it into a shareable form is not something a normal person would do if only because the video is streamed in mostly real-time. But there are entire groups dedicated to capturing television and uploading it, so someone out there would probably do it.

The problem is that they are going to break the DRM and pirate everything anyway. In fact. they already have (possibly nsfw, because piracy). The same goes for Netflix; their onerous DRM did nothing to stop piracy of House of Cards (finding it is left as an exercise for the reader, but Knuth would rate it 00), and yet they just posted incredible financial results and strong subscriber growth (in utter contrast to this time last year).

The cat's out of the bag: a good chunk of the world population own Infinite Copying Machines and those machines are networked. You cannot stop a determined individual from making a freely copyable version of anything digital unless you ban all output devices (certainly would make Haskell programming nicer) and burn every camera and piece of audio equipment ever built.

It seems that the same toxic thinking about distribution control that pervades the traditional networks has infected the online distributors. It's clear that torrent trackers offer something the traditional channels do not: (mostly) effortless access to content how and when you want it. But these are things that Netflix, Amazon, et al could offer as well... that they do offer. However, instead of liberalizing distribution as time goes on, the New Distributors have fallen into the same clearly failed mentality about restricting distribution that led to the entire media industry becoming a former shell of itself in a mere five years!

This mentality will only lead to failure. Pursuit of it is insanity: we are witnessing the end stages of an industry-wide collapse because of it! And it seems these new distributors have quickly forgotten that it was only the desperation of their predecessors that they were even able to license what they have now.

So, Amazon, why do you insist upon flogging people who are yelling "Shut up and take my money!"?

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Linux Workaround (5, Informative)

bit trollent (824666) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527545)

Linux users can download compatible files here [thepiratebay.se] .

Re:Linux Workaround (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528045)

aint that the truth!

Re:Linux Workaround (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528391)

What the fuck is XBMC?

You're lucky (5, Funny)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527577)

Only to discover that Amazon has taken away my ability to watch entirely in the name of Digital Restrictions Management.

You're lucky, they saved you from watching the horrible things. It was an act of mercy.

Re:You're lucky (1)

mattyj (18900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527939)

Supanatural was the only one really worth watching. That thing with John Goodman and The Onion one were both the worst 5 minutes of TV I've suffered through.

Re:You're lucky (1)

ubrgeek (679399) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528053)

Funny, those were the only two I liked. The cast of the first worked quite well together (although the smarmy character who joins at the end was a touch too smarmy) and if you like The Onion humor as well as things like Police Squad then the second is perfect.

Roku (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527585)

For all the time you spend messing with Linux setups and devices, a $100 Roku 3 will last you a decade and save you time and shelf space.

Re:Roku (5, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528383)

> For all the time you spend messing with Linux setups and devices, a $100 Roku 3 will last you a decade and save you time and shelf space

The only thing that Roku will buy you is the extra shelf space. It will still be an inferior device despite being a 3rd generation unit. It will still be unable to handle it's own content decoding and be inferior to a 6 year old HTPC in this regard.

I have an HTPC that's older than the entire Roku line and it's still more capable than any ARM appliance once you get past the whole proprietary DRM thing.

A Roku is a nice supplement for an HTPC, not a replacement for one.

Simple solution (4, Insightful)

RedBear (207369) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527589)

Simple solution: Stop giving Amazon money if you don't like their service.

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527933)

Or stop making yourself into a criminal. Cease all criminal activities immediately!

Re:Simple solution (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528183)

Not buying at Amazon is illegal now? Wow, how much did that law cost?

Re:Simple solution (5, Funny)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528341)

Not buying at Amazon is illegal now? Wow, how much did that law cost?

$42,344,343.07

There was a 2 for 1 in the Senate this week.

Retro-active (5, Informative)

DrYak (748999) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528107)

The problem is that, according to the story's poster, the change not only affect new pilots, but also all the old previously bought and previously accessible content.
Suddenly, all the part services which you did like and for which you gave money, stops working too.

Re:Retro-active (5, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528267)

That's the major problem with DRM I think. You do not own the material that you mistakenly thought you purchased, instead you purchased temporary permission to access the content, and this can be rescinded at any time for any reason. Since the affected people are in the minority the complaints will be happily ignored (they think you're criminal scum anyway for not using properly approved devices).

Re:Retro-active (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528395)

Heinlein quote:

There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute or common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back.

Re:Simple solution (4, Interesting)

sjwest (948274) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528319)

Actually trying to give amazon money is hard as a linux person.

Short version of the story is about a book reviewed here on slashdot.

Only available in kindle, physical copies non existant unless you import it - i asked did the kindle reader 'app' work in linux Answer back was no as i was in the wrong region. A kindle was also more than it would cost to import the book from a foriegn land.

Six months later i find a physical book in a charity shop in my region. I dont plan on buying a kindle now.

Libraries can also be brilliant places and are worth supporting.

Wow (3, Interesting)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527605)

I was gonna call the guy who wrote this a complete moron, except for this...

http://forums.androidcentral.com/tablet-apps/239022-amazon-prime-video-app.html [androidcentral.com]

http://betanews.com/2013/04/22/why-is-there-no-android-app-for-amazon-instant-video/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed+-+bn+-+Betanews+Full+Content+Feed+-+BN [betanews.com]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000645111 [amazon.com]

We're missing something here namely something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.netflix.mediaclient&hl=en [google.com]

Yep, there doesn't appear to be an Android app for amazon prime. So either Amazon is telling android users to f off, or they're unaware of the issue they'd cause with DRM.

Annoyed yet? It's available for iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazon-instant-video/id545519333?mt=8 [apple.com]

There is - it's called a Kindle Fire (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527681)

Yep, there doesn't appear to be an Android app for amazon prime.

Welcome to what happens when the company that controls your content stream also provides hardware.

There's no other Android client because Amazon would much, much rather you buy a Kindle Fire to watch Amazon Prime with.

I've been wondering how much longer there will be an iOS version... but at the moment the desire to gain viewers overrides the desire to force hardware sales.

Re:There is - it's called a Kindle Fire (2)

Rob Y. (110975) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527923)

It's pretty nasty when a company 'giving away razors to sell blades' starts trying to make money off of the razors too. The Kindle was originally Amazon's way to jump-start their ebook and streaming services. Now they want to be a tablet player too. Greedy.

Re:There is - it's called a Kindle Fire (1)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528071)

Your attempt at being sarcastic failed, because there is not much positive to say about the razor/razor blade business model (or the bubblejet/ink cartridge business model for what it's worth).

Re:There is - it's called a Kindle Fire (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528349)

The kindle was always full of DRM, and is a perfect example of why the ebook concept as it is now is broken. It is designed to give Amazone complete power. If they accidentally sell you a real book that they don't have permission to sell, they would be forced to eat the costs and chalk it up as an expensive mistake; but if it's an ebook they can just yank it back.

Books need to be tied to the reader while it is active I think, to allow publishers to peace of mind that they won't be pirated. But once the book gets on the reader it should be made so that it can never be yanked off again, and that backups can be made, and that you can lend your copy to other people, or even sell it to other people. DRM goes beyond piracy prevention in that its goals are to prevent those activities I just listed. Piracy is not prevented or even slowed down by DRM, only the law abiding consumers are hurt by this. It continues to amaze me that so many consumers will so easily accept DRM or even go so far as to defend it.

Re:There is - it's called a Kindle Fire (1)

smi.james.th (1706780) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528325)

I don't know about this. There's a Kindle android app. Also, I don't know how much of a profit they make on a Kindle fire. So there's that to consider...

Re:Wow (1)

Creepy (93888) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527811)

Or try WINE on Android if it exists yet and try the Windows version (heard it was in development, probably nowhere near ready for prime time though)...

Re:Wow (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527931)

Windows version is going to be x86, so that will run terribly on a smartphone.

Re:Wow (1)

jandrese (485) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528373)

And Flash is already slow on X86 machines. Emulated CPU on smartphone hardware to do realtime video decoding and decrypting is, well, it's not going to work.

Re:Wow (4, Interesting)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527841)

Well this is what I think is basically a dick move on the part of Amazon, namely taking the Android platform, making it their own, and then giving the finger to those who provided it to them for free to begin with. I knew this was going to happen the minute they launched their app store, even expressed that it was a dick move, and got shouted down for it wherever I brought it up.

Anyways, I'm actually thinking about letting my prime subscription run out. They charge sales tax in my state now, and where I live it is pretty close to 10%. (They keep increasing it because they say they need more money for firefighters and education - though I'm trying to figure out how they didn't manage that back when it was 6% only a decade ago. Raising the rate to compensate to lost out of state purchases doesn't help because people will just want to do that even more.) Fry's electronics will price match just about any website out there, so I can get their prices locally anyways. Although Amazon's larger selection is nice, I can probably manage just fine with the free super saver shipping when I need to. If there's a hot deal somewhere, I'll just go to a website that doesn't charge sales tax.

Re:Wow (2)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528121)

Amazon doesn't get to choose the tax rate. Complain to your local government.

Re:Wow (1)

Hallow (2706) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527873)

Yes, they are and have been telling Android users to f off. If you want to use Android to watch their videos, you have to use their bastardization of Android.

Kindle and Amazon VOD can go suck an egg.

Decade long dearth of any good television? (5, Insightful)

dstyle5 (702493) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527613)

Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Justified, Mad Men and Homeland are a few of the terrible shows I've watched in the past decade. Thank goodness for Amazon coming "rescue" us from this tripe!

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527679)

You're probably the kind of person that watches all the seasons of a show and then complains how "lacking" in [somethingitwasntmeanttohave] it is. Moron.

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (4, Funny)

dstyle5 (702493) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527749)

Sarcasm detector on the fritz old chap?

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528057)

you do realize those shows are on prime right?

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (1)

MondoGordo (2277808) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527771)

Dude ... he was being sarcastic ... jeez!! * note to tech world we really need a sarcasm font !!

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527935)

People keep saying that (and that "there is no way to express irony/satire on the Internet") but literary satire isn't a new thing, it's always been a form of writing that required a bit of thought to process. Plato, Swift, and Voltaire didn't use emoticons and they managed.

For every half-wit who didn't get it there are still many more like you and me who appreciated it as is. Don't dumb it down for those people!

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528311)

I was going to suggest Comic Sans MS, but then I remembered that it is being used for serious science announcements [huffingtonpost.co.uk] these days.

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527797)

You're probably the kind of person who doesn't get sarcasm. Moron.

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527701)

Yup, it's been a golden decade for TV - especially US TV. As a Brit, I always used to feel that our TV was superior (largely thanks to the high bar set by the BBC) - but over the last ten years AMC and HBO in particular have come to the fore with some incredible programming.

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527947)

The BBC used to be the gold standard, but no longer.

Since Blair listened to the whisperings of the Murdoch Empire (in relation to getting (re)elected from 1997 onwards), the BBC has been starved of cash, divested of income streams and forced to "commission" material from independent producers, material for which they don't have access to once the contracturally agreed number of repeats has been exhausted. All to "level the playing field" in favour of youknowwho. A few weeks ago, the BBC even lost their huge purpose-built television studios at TV Centre so the way back is nigh on impossible.

Of course, Blair started the rot, but subsequent governments have just continued with the new status quo. (How apt, its a three chord trick...)

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527953)

I am so jealous of you Brits, with your hour long shows that are actually an hour long!

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527713)

Add to this The Wire, Sopranos, Arrested Development, The Shield and for those who candy-like television, Dexter. All this stuff was TERRIBLE.

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (2)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527783)

Oh yeah, those are all rotten. To add insult to injury there was Archer, Suits, Shameless and Game of Thrones as well!

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (2)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528101)

And for sit-coms, Community, Big Bang Theory, Scrubs, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Family Guy, among other piles of crap. And so as not to forget British contributions to this disastrous decade, there's The IT Crowd, The Office, Coupling, The In Betweeners, ...

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528293)

And The Soup, which took awful TV and made something hilarious out of it, or did until it ran out of steam, anyway.

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (2)

drummerboybac (1003077) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528405)

Big Bang theory is painful. Why is there a laugh track every 10 seconds. Makes it damn near unwatchable.

Re:Decade long dearth of any good television? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528263)

There's also Louis, which is an absolutely groundbreaking show.

This has arguably been the single best decade for television since the original Lucy show aired.

I had a great experience... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527615)

I used the operating system that came with my laptop. Everything worked fine. I don't see any foundation for OPs complaint.

Re:I had a great experience... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527791)

And I'm sure you are enjoying Windows 8 too.

Ran into a similar problem myself. (2)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527619)

If anybody recalls:

http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/03/07/1947228/ask-slashdot-dealing-with-flagged-channels-for-xbmc-pvr [slashdot.org]

I haven't found a solution to the cablecard problem yet, but so far in what little free time I've had, I've been working on improving an automated bittorrent based solution I already have. Perhaps you should do the same.

Re:Ran into a similar problem myself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528191)

I don't get cablecard, they're there, but I've never had any luck finding devices that would work with it.

Article troll (2)

Picass0 (147474) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527643)

>"Perhaps the decade long dearth of any good television is nearing its end!"

Excuse me, but there's some damn good TV in the last ten years, including but not limited to:

Sons of Anarchy
Game of Thrones
Doctor Who
Boardwalk Empire
Battlestar Galactica
Justice League Unlimited
Dexter
Spartacus

Re:Article troll (2)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527773)

Yea, I'd almost call the last decade some of the best TV ever. Although it is also some of the worst. I think prior it was much more overall mediocre so now that there is so much utter crap it hides that there is still some of the best. It's like going to Home Depot and complaining that you can't buy decent 2x4s any more. Sure you can you just have to go to the lumber yard to get them, not the mass market craptastic one stop shopping spot.

Re:Article troll (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528179)

I was thinking about it, and one of the biggest factors contributing towards better TV is the lack of censorship on cable (and the expanded market for the cable shows on DVD/digital download). While it's true some of the small cable networks have made brilliant and risky bets on content that paid off, the fact that AMC, HBO, Showtime, FX, etc can broadcast whatever they want and not just what the prime-time censors let them really opens up the storytelling possibilities. Real life is not a rated TV-PG sitcom...

Re:Article troll (1)

HuntingHades (2010088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527907)

Of course, half the shows you listed are on subscription service only channels (HBO, Showtime, Starz) and the others, except for Doctor Who are/were on cable only. Doctor Who does eventually show up on PBS in most markets, after a significant delay. There is some decent TV out there, but there's also a lot of crap, especially all the "Reality" shows.

Re:Article troll (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527971)

Netflix has all of these either on streaming or disc.
No commercials either and way cheaper than cable.

Re:Article troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528041)

None of that is broadcast tv, cable only, and much of it premium channels.

Re:Article troll (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528241)

Why is Louie not on this list?

So fucking gay (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527647)

I've been really, really excited about digital video distribution lately: first Netflix greenlights jms's return to science fiction TV

You might want to start by explaining who (or what) jms is, for the benefit of us who aren't hipster faggots like you.

Re:So fucking gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527909)

Please leave your Geek ID card at the counter on your way out!! Thank you for visiting.

Re:So fucking gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528209)

I've been really, really excited about digital video distribution lately: first Netflix greenlights jms's return to science fiction TV

You might want to start by explaining who (or what) jms is, for the benefit of us who aren't hipster faggots like you.

According to google [google.com] , J. Michael Straczynski was some guy worked on the show Babylon 5, and was somehow involved in some sort of fan-supported netflix or kickstarter thing or something. Apparently, he's important enough to warrant a medium-length wikipedia article, but it's almost impossible to understand why.

It's like they want you to pirate... (2)

earlzdotnet (2788729) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527691)

They basically give people who aren't 90% of users the middle finger. Use Linux? that's too bad, live without or pirate it. We don't want your money

I think this is especially pitiful that they are doing this with their own shows they are now producing. It's not even the MPAA demanding them to DRM everything to license it, they are stupid enough that they are doing it for the hell of it..

Obligatory bitching abut editing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527693)

I finished up editing Slashdot for the day

Are you sure? Would you like to double check that?

Easy answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527703)

So, Amazon, why do you insist upon flogging people who are yelling "Shut up and take my money!"?

1. Because they can.
2. Because people are begging them to take their money.
3. Because it's fun to them.
4. Because there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
5. Because there's not a damn thing you WOULD do about it. You're begging them to take your money.

Gee, that was easy enough. Hell, I didn't even need to post a whole screed about it. Next question?

you cant take something away (3, Interesting)

nimbius (983462) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527711)

the majority of linux/unix users have never had. netflix has never warmed up to GNU, and thats just fine for me. ill hit TPB, download the latest excretion from hollywood, judge it based on its merits and if i like it, ill buy the blu-ray version. if i dont like it, 'rm' works nicely and if its a star-wars prequil, 'unlink' and a half pound of thermite has so far proven slightly effective.

Re:you cant take something away (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527813)

Netflix works on linux. Not as great as on windows, but it does work. Wine running firefox and silverlight.

Re:you cant take something away (0)

entrigant (233266) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527981)

So, in other words, doesn't work on Linux..

Re:you cant take something away (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528133)

Netflix works on linux. Not as great as on windows, but it does work. Wine running firefox and silverlight.

Oh, wow, now all I need to do is punch myself in the nuts and eat a pile of shit to complete the experience.

Fuck that.

Re:you cant take something away (1)

stewsters (1406737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528265)

XCode runs on Linux, if you install virtualbox and install a hackintosh image. That doesn't mean that its a good or even pleasant idea.

Re:you cant take something away (1)

jfengel (409917) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527999)

if i like it, ill buy the blu-ray version

I'm curious about what level of "like" that requires. I has teh Netflix, and I never buy movies because there are practically no movies that I want to see more than once.

I know that other people do actually buy movies, so apparently there is a market for that. What percentage of things that you download do you like well enough to buy the Blu-Ray? If you decide it's not up to scratch, do you generally shut it off halfway through, or do you generally watch it all the way through before deciding it's not worth your contribution?

I apologize for being nosy. I'm just curious.

Not right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527735)

This is sad if Amazon is taking this route. I'm a paying Amazon Prime customer. Why shouldn't I be able to stream on any device I own? They cannot reasonably justify preventing their customers from accessing content they paid for.

Re:Not right (3, Insightful)

achbed (97139) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527919)

Why shouldn't I be able to stream on any device I own?

Because the device you have is not one that's locked down to Amazon's standards, and doesn't provide them with the consumer information they're looking for. Please purchase an approved device to enjoy your content better. I mean at all.

Re:Not right (2)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527929)

"They cannot reasonably justify preventing their customers from accessing content they paid for."

Corporations don't have to reasonably justify anything.

Re:Not right (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528043)

Amazon has always had a major boner for DRM, you need to install some shitty DRM-ridden client app for any digital goods you buy from them. At least they haven't gone fully-curated and tried to get everyone on Amazon hardware...yet.

Duh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527747)

This is what happens when you hire the same industry people (and lawyers). they recommend the same failed road to travel.

Don't feel bad (4, Funny)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527751)

Try running OS2/Warp for a while and see how they treat you!

Competing with piracy (5, Insightful)

sinij (911942) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527757)

Unfortunately without locking both platform (walled garden) and distribution DRM is futile. Why unfortunate? Because inevitable conclusion of all failed DRM is not to open it up and monetize, but to build more walled gardens.

Idea that DRM only has to defer casual pirates is an intellectually bankrupt idea - defense has to be breached only once for the information to become freely available. As such it inevitably turns into vs. Internet battle, and Internet always wins.

The only sane thing to do is to compete with your content based on merits - provide it on demand, at high quality and at low price. Some will always pirate and some will always pay - but majority will go with whatever is the most convenient.

Capitalize on laziness and stop building walled gardens!

I can watch amazon just fine (-1, Flamebait)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527761)

Ps3, Xbox, windows laptop, MacBook, iPhone and iPad

Once I dump my ps3 I'm going to buy a blu ray player with amazon built in. What's the problem here? It works on windows and a variety of nix platforms.

Amazon even sells a decent android tablet

Re:I can watch amazon just fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528065)

No they don't. They sell a shitty kindle fire.

Let me know when they have something of the caliber of the Asus Transformer Prime Infinity or a recent iPad.

Re: I can watch amazon just fine (2)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528247)

The shitty kindle fire hd is the most popular android tablet on the market followed by the Samsung tablets

The Asus and the nexus all share the single digit percentages of the market

Should've listened to the anti-DRM hippies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527767)

You know, that's not just about fun and games.

Consumers using Linux (2)

a_big_favor (2550262) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527779)

I never expect end user products to work on anything Linux. Maybe it's narrow minded or pessimistic. I hope you do convince Amazon, but this rant on slashdot is preaching to a choir. Quit giving them your money and do something other than talking to tech/customer support.

Re:Consumers using Linux (3, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527893)

Having something you already paid for stop working is pretty reasonably within the category of "newsworthy corporate bullshit." If there's any evidence at all that amazon is going to pull the rug out from under me on the things I already bought the moment it becomes profitable, I'd like to know to stop buying the moment it happens to someone else, not when it happens to me.

Re:Consumers using Linux (4, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528091)

If there's any evidence at all that amazon is going to pull the rug out from under me on the things I already bought the moment it becomes profitable, I'd like to know to stop buying the moment it happens to someone else, not when it happens to me.

Then you should be forwarned now, anything with DRM will likely be pulled out from under you. It's a matter of when, not if.

You lost me (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527793)

You lost me at the opinion that there has been nothing good on tv for a decade.

You really lost me at the "clever" renaming of DRM.

Then you made me laugh when the whole thing turned into a misdirected rant about why piracy is okay.

Did you actually have a point to this, or where you just using your undeserved soapbox to rabble-rouse a little bit?

Dup story - it's still on the front page (-1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527823)

Steps to reproduce:
1) Go to http://slashdot.org/ [slashdot.org]
2) Look on the f***ing page for "Amazon Debuts Mixed Bag of Original Comedy Pilots"

Yes, it only has 42 comments, but please don't double-post on your own forum - duh!

Flash is crap ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43527839)

Flash is shit. Companies who use Flash are shit.

And yet I can guarantee that several people will respond to this with how awesome they feel Flash is.

It's been an insecure, bloated, useless turd for well over a decade. But people still cling to it as something which they can't live without.

Whoever created Flash and whoever keeps it limping along deserves a repeated series of kicks to the crotch.

I will continue to ignore the existence of any web site which expects me to use Flash to use their site. Fuck you, fuck your site fuck Flash, and Fuck Adobe.

Re: Flash is crap ... (1)

Toast or Rice (2766955) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528077)

Strong finish there, good work :)

Amazon is like Flaming Moe's... (1)

gosand (234100) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527865)

Business huh? You just lost yourself a customer
$$ cha ching .. what's that Homer?
YOU JUST LOST YOURSELF A CUSTOMER MOE!
$$ cha ching... what?.....

TWYTBAKF (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | about a year and a half ago | (#43527917)

They Want You To Buy A Kindle

Re:TWYTBAKF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528103)

Fire?

Re:TWYTBAKF (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528137)

forgot the damn fire

Re:TWYTBAKF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528271)

They Want You To Buy A Kindle

A Kindle whatever for now, something else later when they upgrade their DRM for that.

flamebait (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528051)

Isn't this quote kind of flamebait: RMS cultists and pragmatic Windows users alike now suffer equally. And the folks who aren't GNU/Hippies with an anti-cloud-chip-on-their-shoulder might even be suffering more: they've lost access to shows and movies that they purchased.

Doesn't that basically mean the 'cultists' were actually being pragmatic? Or maybe this post is an attempt at irony?

Taken Away (1)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528085)

Kind of like Slashdot editors have taken away my ability to read a summary?

So we just.... fixed.... the glitch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528149)

Excuse me? I believe you have my stapler?

I used to have an office with a window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then I had to move to the basement, and if I can't talk to Mr. Luhmberg I'll just set the building on fire...

Even with HAL (3, Insightful)

nicodoggie (1228876) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528199)

I've installed HAL in my Arch box just to see if it'll work, and nope, it still doesn't.

Not in Firefox with the last supported Flash for Linux that uses NPAPI (11.2.202.280), nor on Chromium, with Pepper Flash (11.6.602.171). hald is running and everything.

Why don't these guys learn from Steam? Make an effort, and they get some of the most loyal, most vocal platform zealots money can never buy; shun them, they get the most rabid haters.

I seriously hope Amazon reconsiders this move. I was this close to actually paying for an Amazon Prime subscription, but since I won't be able to stream on my PC (which solely runs Linux) nor on my phone (Android 4.1), they just lost a potential loyal customer to piracy (I downloaded Zombieland and Alpha House through TPB).

This is what I've been talking about (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528213)

Internet video is broken in many ways in Linux at its current state.

I find the linked article hysterical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43528225)

Netflix is not my favorite service. I *Love* Babylon 5. I used to watch it on netflix, until my instant que dropped it. So I went looking and found it again. This time it had been repackaged w/ 5 seasons put into 1. Then it was dropped completely from the service. So when the Netflix Content Officer says:

"Andy and Lana Wachowski and Joe Straczynski are among the most imaginative writers and gifted visual storytellers of our time," .... "Their incredible creations are favorites of Netflix members globally and we can't wait to bring Sense8 to life."

I can't help but wonder just how much Bab 5 was costing them in bandwith. I guess that is what makes a global favorite, eh?

Well done, Amazon. (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528329)

We must be grateful to Amazon for this kind of issues, really.

It annoys the hell out of many people - and that's a good thing here. More and more people learn the dangers of DRM. Now even people with legitimately purchased content are blocked from watching their stuff; and I think that's a good thing.

The only thing that can stop and really overcome the DRM cancer from growing is this. People getting burned, and getting burned badly. They get angry, they talk about it to their friends, who may also have gotten burned. The anger spreads, and friends talk to friends and mention what happens and warn about the dangers of DRM. Content buyers start to look more critical at content vendors: do they sell it with or without DRM? If with DRM, should I take the risk of losing my money? Is there an alternative, another vendor that sells it, without DRM? And in that case I just have to hope for the content providers that these people don't resort to using The Pirate Bay.

Who cares? (1)

Tau Neutrino (76206) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528355)

Theater is life. Film is art. Television is furniture.

Decade long dearth? (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#43528417)

Claiming there hasn't been any good television for the last decade is fucking idiotic. If you haven't found good television, it's because you've had your head in the sand. I don't even have or watch live television (I ditched cable ages ago) and I'm sure I have missed a lot of other things to add to the list, but in the last decade, you have had some really great shows from pretty good to great:

Battlestar Galactica
Doctor Who
Sopranos
The Shield
The Wire
Friday Night Lights
Breaking Bad, Mad Men
Sons of Anarchy, Firefly
Arrested Development
The Office, Sherlock
Luther
Game of Thrones
Fringe
Boardwalk Empire
Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Archer
The IT Crowd
Walking Dead
Louie
Justified
Community
Eastbound and Down
Californication
Deadwood
Oz
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Venture Brothers
Lost
Futurama
Eureka!
Farscape
Blood in the Wire
Alias
The Killing
Mythbusters

There's a lack of great science fiction stuff out there, but there's still a lot of great programming to be found, if you bother.

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