Google Project 10^100 Reaches Voting Phase 154
An anonymous reader writes "In autumn last year, Google announced Project 10 to the 100, through which it aimed to commit $10 million to implement the best philanthropic idea. The project was suspended indefinitely after receiving more than 150,000 submissions. Google has now announced sixteen finalists — each of which was inspired by many individual submissions — and issued a call for votes. The voting deadline is October 8 and the Project 10^100 advisory board will then select up to five ideas to be implemented."
Plex (Score:3, Insightful)
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Alliterate people annoy me.
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Alliterate people annoy me.
Agreed. Alliterate assholes.
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Altogether annoying. -Anonymous
Re:Plex (Score:4, Funny)
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conceited ... ... crap, cranium cramp!
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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!!!
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Remember, it's respectable, relative to rhyming reprobates.
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Agreed. Alliterate assholes.
That's assonance.
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Please persist in pursuing pointless pastimes, people.
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What whoosh? Wasted wellintended words.
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Scroogle (Score:1)
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What? (Score:1)
The problem with Scroogle is, it removes the main reason why I used Google, a clean homepage.
How about using a blank page or your own image. I use a search engine for searches. Scroogle IS google without all the tracking & evil.
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Completely ignoring the fact that it's through all the tracking that Google became such a great search engine. What the hell do you care that Google happens to know that your looking up recipes/18th century steam engines/donkey porn, it will never get traced back to you unless your a real idiot and don't secure your own computer.
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That has nothing to do with philanthropy. If you want to use a anonymity proxy, you're free to do so. And that would give you better protection than Scroogle, which only hides your IP from Google. If you're not bothered by other web servers logging your IP, then why would you be concerned with Google? Of all [searchenginewatch.com] the online megacorporations [csmonitor.com] out there [boingboing.net] to fear having your privacy invaded by [slashdot.org], you're worried about Google [pbs.org]?
If you don't want to be tracked by your credit card purchases, then pay for your purchases with
Eco bling / Green gadgets (Score:2)
A lot of those images in the idea montage were blatant "green gadgets".
This sort of thing certainly attracts attention and will probably pull the votes. Unfortunately.
chump change (Score:1)
Re:Eco bling / Green gadgets (Score:5, Insightful)
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Wind and solar will never provide enough energy to run the world.
Do you have any idea how much solar energy there is hitting the world? Or how much is in the wind? (More of an issue is that there needs to be a system for storage and transport of the energy, but that's reasonably practical to develop.)
Transportation promising, Tax option too political (Score:5, Interesting)
The tax option looks interesting, but a little too in line with typical ideas of the conservative right in the United States to win my vote. Eliminating income tax and taxing consumption directly through sales tax would severely detriment lower income brackets and reward the affluent. The research on sales tax being more detrimental to lower income groups is pretty solid. I was actually surprised Google passed this idea through given its obvious politics.
The transportation option, on the other hand, while somewhat far-fetched, would revolutionize commerce and local economies if it were widely adopted.
Since all of the ideas are a bit of a long shot, I voted for what I would like to see in an ideal world. In addition, the idea of riding blimps to work is just too cool to pass up.
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Sales taxes (and other consumption taxes) are regressive taxes. However, not all policies involving sales taxes are regressive. The simplest (perhaps not the best...) example of such is the FairTax [fairtax.org] proposal. It uses a combination of a flat sales tax rate with a constant dollar rebate to each consumer. The combination means that with increasing spending, a larger net fraction of your spending is on taxes. That is, it's a progressive sales tax.
Of course, the Google proposal also talks about various incen
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Um what, indeed.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/103213_taxstudy08.shtml [seattlepi.com]
Sales taxes are regressive because there is a minimum amount of consumption everyone must do to live, and it affects a higher percentage of a poor person's income than a rich person's.
Consider: a person making $1000 a month who pays $100 in sales tax on groceries, clothes, and other living necessities versus a person making $8000 a month buying the same groceries and clothes.
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Alternately, consider the whole policy, rather than simply the tax half of it. The rebate half of it matters too, which is the point of the proposal and what I've been trying to say.
Consider a person making $1000/mo who pays $100/mo in taxes and receives a $100/mo rebate, for a net tax rate of 0%. Now consider someone making $8000/mo who pays $400/mo in taxes (it's unreasonable to assume they don't spend *any* more; feel free to adjust that $400 number up or down a bit, though) and receives the same $100/
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I suspect most of those in favour of Fair Tax and similar systems are the upper-middle class, who don't get benefits which the lower and lower-middle class get, but don't have enough to use income-hiding schemes or personal political favours.
If you consider the typical /.er, the person is likely to be under 30, have no children, and probably singe, with either a reasonably well-paid job or a good hope of getting one. This means that a good chunk of /.ers aren't going to get baby bonuses, joint-tax advantage
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The research on sales tax being more detrimental to lower income groups is pretty solid.
I find it rather doubtful that among the wide array of possible implementations of this idea that all are correlated to a negative impact on the poor, or that anyone has even attempted to offer research which would show this.
If you exempt food (my state already does), utilities, maybe a few other things (pointing out, too, that second hand goods are already tax free) I don't see how you can get any more "progressive" without explicitly paying people to be below the poverty line. Which, by the way, if yo
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Yes. NCLB was pushed from the right to help school children. Don't you want to help the school children? Well, it wasn't actually designed to help school children. It was designed to sabotage the public school system with unfunded mandates and lots of interference in local authority (the opposite of what Republicans claim they want, but when it comes to harming our children
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Eliminating income tax and taxing consumption directly through sales tax would severely detriment lower income brackets and reward the affluent. The research on sales tax being more detrimental to lower income groups is pretty solid.
The simplest fix for this is to make food-and-drink groceries exempt from sales taxes. Since the proportion of money spent by people (on average) on food as their income increases, this simple action makes the whole system far more progressive. It's also pretty simple (and hence cheap) to implement. Or you could make all food and drink exempt, which is even easier to do and reduces complexities from working out whether food sold for immediate consumption is a grocery but has the cost of reducing overall tax
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I agree; most most of the ideas are worthy with some clearly appearing to be from existing lobbies. c.f. tax agenda.
In most cases the worthy causes have existing lobbies promoting them.
What we don't see is any body promoting a positive depiction and promotion of engineering and science, if anything what we see is a trend for dumbing down across society as a whole.
If most of the ideas are coming from existing lobbies with their own agenda perhaps the slashdot community should support our own agenda.
What a Croc (Score:1)
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Ideas too bland (Score:1)
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Hi
I just had a quick look at your idea.
Isn't it just to develop full spectrum light blubs ?
If not could you explain the difference ?
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Those ideas are crap (Score:1, Insightful)
There is not one single idea in that list that could have a significant global impact.
First of all, all the idea submitters are people that have internet access. Letâ(TM)s not forget that ONLY 24.7% of the WORLD has internet access. http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm [internetworldstats.com]
This means that the people that really need help isn't heard on this 10^100 Project (75.3%)
So I wonâ(TM)t vote for this. or maybe I was expecting something else.
Like
1. Develop an accessible not fossil fuel dependant vehicle
2.
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I submitted an idea to Project 10^100. A damned good one too. One that was worth a $1.5 million grant from the US National Institutes of Health. One that was good enough to be selected as a Saatchi and Saatchi World Changing Ideas finalist. The idea will help millions of people, potentially tens of millions. It will, however, not involve the internet, not involve Googly stuff, and won't be all cool and PC. It won't preferentially help people in Africa, or people who are perceived to be underserved by
Gee, such a nice post (Score:2)
Next time, please read the site PRIOR to boosting and critizing. As it is, the google guys HAD a great idea AND HAVE made a MAJOR IMPACT on the world. In addition, they did it in a RELATIVELY SHORT TIME. So, how does their work compare to yo
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"I was in the company of 9 others at the Saatchi and Saatchi celebration that were better right there. "
so yin a group of 10 you can get money, but can't get it in a group of 150,000.
Maybe your idea isn't as good as you think.
Yes, nothing more embarrassing then bring a source of education to everyone in the world.
Your machine human interface isn't something that's doable before a lot of other technology comes to place. It's not something trhet CAN be done and have a product available with this much money.
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I submitted an idea to Project 10^100. A damned good one too.
Was your idea "develop self-confidence?" Because I think they may have rejected that one as being done already :-)
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Yes, Google really should use their money to support things that have nothing to do with the things they're interested in.
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> Create an organization for exchange guns for [insert exchange here]
You didn't really think this one through. If people can exchange guns for something of value, a thriving black market will develop in getting guns to exchange. This will ultimately lead to more demand and MORE guns being produced.
It reminds me of a story I heard recently about a journalist who goes undercover to expose human trafficking. Someone asked why he doesn't just BUY some of these kids with the intent to make them free. The answ
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I have to say, I never thought the list would be so bad! I have to really look at the list to believe the ideas are really crap.
As you said, most of the ideas are complete crap. I can just barely find one that is even worth voting for. If not for that single one, I won't bother to vote at all. The rest are either completely stupid, or are so US centric that you can find the solution by just look at how the rest of the world did it.
Geek heaven! (Score:5, Interesting)
Now we know why there were sixteen finalists. It's 10^100 in binary (a.k.a. 2^4 in decimal).
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Looks like a phishing site. (Score:2)
Is "http://www.project10tothe100.com/" actually associated with Google? The site looks phony. The "about" page is an off-site link to Google. The code contains links to "appspot.com", so Google is hosting an application, but that doesn't mean Google is behind it. There's suspicious Javascript that constructs a domain name. There's no SSL cert. The "robots.txt" file blocks everybody.
The domain is registered to Google, though. And it's registered through MarkMonitor. (MarkMonitor is the "if you hav
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It's Google's site.
See the announcement here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/announcing-project-10100-idea-themes.html/ [blogspot.com]
If you're suspicious that that might not be Google's official blog: they own blogger.com and blogspot.com and can reasonably be expected to not let anyone get away with impersonating them on their own sites.
Dependencies among projects (Score:4, Interesting)
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All these projects depend on the Make government more transparent. Without this one, the governments will limit all other projects. This is exactly the same reason why Lawrence Lessig is fighting corruption and not copyright problems. He was fighting people that couldn't hear him.
So, I vote for it.
Amen to that. I think the "community" projects share some ideas and could be combined to some degree. Start with "Transparent Govt" then move on to "Collect and organize the world's urban data," "Work toward socially conscious tax policies," and "Create real-world issue reporting system".
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Voting for the ideas. (Score:4, Interesting)
I consider Google a smart company.
But I don't think they have manage this project very well.
Instead of going trough 150000 suggestion and let the
public vote for 16 made-up projects.
They should have used the wisdom of the crowd to vote for the 150000 suggestions
and have the advisory board chose between the top 100.
What I would like to see is a open funding network.
Where people can post ideas like this, vote on there favorite projects
and where funds can find and support this projects.
ps. yes, I did submit this idea to 10^100.
It would have been better if they
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Yeah... 154,000 world-changing ideas turned into 16 vague paragraphs of crap.
This is totally doable. Rather than propose a wisdom of the crowd project to Google, let's just do it. Maybe we can get many of the original submitters to send resubmit their entries. I still have mine.
We wouldn't want to use old-fashioned "vote for your favorite" methods because it would produce crap results completely skewed by Pareto Effect, But I think there are some real/viable options for approaching this in a manner which w
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I am on board, If we can find some funding for this.
I am a freelance programmer from Denmark.
Have done a lot of web programing with c/c++,php and sql.
Also I have made a new type of polls,
which I call eigenpolls, it might be something we can use.
http://all-technology.com/eigenpolls/ [all-technology.com]
What is your skill set ?
Delicious irony (Score:2)
My vote was for social entrepreneurship; my filter words were "petty magnates".
I was disappointed by a number of the options, primarily because they would essentially establish more NGOs that relied, ultimately, on governmental action to make a difference (better tax structure, genocide awareness, etc); the same governments who have shown time and time again that they simply will not react to these problems, no matter how blatant the evidence. I chose social entrepreneurship because it is an outwardly dist
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I voted for the trouble ticket system. Google would run it, of course, "for free" (thereby knowing what the people want before the governments do) It's one that they have a strong motivation to implement. It can of course be used to hoodwink the public because it lets you know how well your misinformation is working, but it can also be used to point out what problems affect the lives of people daily and assign them simple numerical values by which they can be ranked.
Hey (Score:1, Troll)
my idea is there!
watered down selection to choose from (Score:1)
Of course, my opinion
In a related issue (Score:2)
Whatever happened to Google's second Android contest?
What? No world peace? (Score:2)
A collection of inspirational clichés. Made me think of the Miss America interviews.
Post your 10^100 idea here (Score:2)
After a severe or prolonged
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I didn't enter the contest but.. (Score:1)
Don't Be Evil (Score:1)
The participants had better be careful; if their entries - submitted to google, solicited by google - happen to redistribute trademarked Google property in any way such as names, logos, or interaction with google services, they'll just slap them with a Cease and Desist letter shortly after awarding the prize money.
Real-world bug tracker (Score:1)
I like the real world bug tracker option.
What kind of ads could you put on that... We see you're submitting a report about an aggravated robbery, have you ever considered bodyguards from Blackwater? You found some insider trading, maybe you need a new accounting firm!
A randomized list. Nice. (Score:2)
I just realized I'd wasted my vote (see below) and was going to try to change it. The second time I loaded the list, the entries came in a different order. As obvious as that might be to me and other people here, you don't see it very often on the net.
Anyway. How did I waste my vote? I had voted for "Create real-world issue reporting system". Entirely my fault, I thought they wanted to create a bug tracker / issue tracker for real world issues. Nice idea, but it was all in my head, I hadn't read the details
Worthy but uninspired (Score:2)
Most of the ideas are worthy, but I don't think any of them are truly inspired, you would think that with 150,000 people to choose from there would be 16 inspired & original ideas, but apparently not, unless the judges deliberately choose the least inspired.
As it happened I submitted an idea, which I though was cheap and potentially useful, though it never appeared it is at least original, simple and potential useful. When ever there are natural or man-made disasters you get notice boards where people
Saving Africa by giving them useless technology (Score:2)
Basically, that sums up half the ideas.
Too bad people can't realize what Africa needs are better thinkers, philosophers and politicians, or ways to prevent those from fleeing elsewhere.
Alternative Enegery (Score:2)
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What a bunch of lame ideas.
Many of them appeared to be: ...)
- Things that should already be done by well-defined organizations (usually governmental).
- Things that shouldn't be done (because the downsides, like creating databased of personal information that can be used to harm individuals, violate Franklin's rule: (He who trades freedom for safety
- Things that have proven cost-ineffective (such as public transport which, except in special circumstances, tends to cost far more per ride - in money, risk, and rider lifetime - than individual vehicles).
But a handfull of 'em did look useful, rather than just politically correct but probably counterproductive. (My pick: Free online educational materials.)
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I groked that the transportation one was more about developing new transportation technology. Which is the one that had the most potential, IMO.
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All concepts of the "good" are subjective and, consequently, "questionable", and most philanthropy is something that the people doing it would agree that organized government should be doing, but is not.
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http://ocw.mit.edu/ [mit.edu]
http://www.youtube.com/ucberkeley [youtube.com]
http://www.google.com/search?q=tensor+calculus [google.com] (or any other subject)
They could be organized a bit better though. Personally I wonder whether it would help if researchers were to edit wikipedia in their areas of expertise (citing their own published research). It could act as a hypertext, open access journal. It's ridiculous that at the moment, government funded research is locked away by journal publishes and can only be acce
Re:Anonymous coward (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Obviously the point of investing in new public transport technologies is to improve them. You seem to be ruling out any potential technology that could be called "public transport" out-of-hand, which makes no sense
2) There's no reason public transport might not rely on individual vehicles. Heck, that's what taxis are.
3) There are economically viable public transportation systems all of the world, including the US (commerial air, for one). Dismissing them all as "special circumstances" is a loophole big enough for a double-decker bus.
4) I'd love to know what you were thinking when you said public transport is more risky.
Don't get me wrong, the bus service where I live is a huge time waste and I never ride it. That's why I'd love it if somebody invested in finding something better.
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And be swamped with numerous problems [bbc.co.uk], threatening it to be shut down
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OK, I know -- let's do nothing about anything, or better yet, tag it 'whatcouldpossiblygowrong' and then do nothing.
I hate this attitude on Slashdot: every initiative has to be met with skepticism or downright opposition.
And then people lament that our society is too risk-averse (see space exploration and 'risk of death' stickers on Segways).
Re:Anonymous coward (Score:5, Insightful)
If the bus service near where you live is a waste of time that might be because you live in a place that can't be well-served by public transit. Public transit is efficient when it consolidates common trips, and can become convenient when trips are common enough for frequent service. With common trips into dense areas parking becomes a hassle, so driving is inconvenient and expensive also. Those things don't happen in areas without a focal downtown, or places that are quite dense. When I lived in Silicon Valley I almost never used public transit (exceptions being Caltrain to San Francisco, and taking the shuttle bus to San Jose airport because I'd rather walk the two miles to the bus stop than mess with airport traffic and parking). When I lived in Chicago I almost never drove (only when I needed to carry lots of stuff or go to the suburbs).
As far as changing the nature of public transit, there's always PRT... If you think Google, with no public works experience, will figure out PRT, you're high (although I wouldn't be surprised if they tried). Tons of money has been blown on studies, and it's resulted in one system that partially implements a very simplistic version of the concept: Morgantown, WV. Morgantown's half-PRT works more like a tram during busy periods anyway, because it couldn't handle the volume otherwise.
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Or lives in a place that is *underserved* by public transit - as is the case for many US cities.
There is an issue of critical mass with public transportation - gradual adoption doesn't make sense. Most people don't use it because they *can't* use it, because the routes are too few, inconvenient and unreliable to depend on them. But once you reach critical coverage on an area, and you don't have to wait >=1 hour for the bus anymore - things are *qualitatively* different and you have a chance to scale.
I understand your point that some places are too sparsely populated to make it cost effective. But the argument that you need a focal downtown and high density frankly doesn't make sense - many places in this planet don't match that description, and yet 'public' transportation is both omnipresent and effective far into the suburbs and small towns.
I put 'public' in quotes because often it is a mix of private and government-funded mass transit. When there is no public monopoly, it's often easier for small entrepeneurs to extend the official transit network into underserved areas at a smaller scale, for a small profit margin - since they don't have to deal with the politics (or the guarantees of service).
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I agree that short-distance public transportation[1] is largely an all or nothing proposition. It it does not have sufficient coverage, it is damn near worthless, except for a small number of people, who happen to frequently travel between two places served by the system. So if it is not fully implemented all at once, it ends up looking like it is a bad proposition.
For an example of a very nice transportation system consider London's Underground. No matter where you are, stops are only a few blocks away at
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Name me a few places with low density and no focal downtown where public transit is effective. The San Jose/Silicon Valley area has a lot of buses and even a light-rail system but it's not very effective (the rail system, in particular, has very poor ridership and thus recovers only a tiny portion of its costs from the fare box).
The only places I know of where public transit for daily commuter use extends far into suburbs is when it carries people from those suburbs to a downtown area. Metra in Chicago go
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4) I'd love to know what you were thinking when you said public transport is more risky.
I may be wrong but I think he meant that plenty of people get mugged or stabbed on buses and trains.
I don't think he was talking about the small risk of getting blown up on an airplane.
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Some americans have some pretty funny ideas about things which they don't have well implemented but work quite well elsewhere. Where the hell do you get these ideas about public transport?
From lots of research.
The scale and layout of much of the US makes mass transit impractical. In some places (like post-fire Chicago and dense-rectangular-grid New York City) it does work - quite well. But in others (like the San Francisco Bay area) it does not. Even if the various agencies worked together rather than building little fiefdoms studies indicate that it would never approach the per-ride total cost of private cars.
In still others (like rural Nevada or even outside a dense city) it's a joke. To have practical mass transit you need masses of people in some places and masses of destinations in others.
A car is in 99.9% of all cases more risky and more expensive for the owner.
You're not counting things like muggers and gangs working bus and train lines or exposure to seasonal flu, TB, and other diseases among "risks", are you?
As for cost I'm not comparing the tax-subsidized fare paid by a rider. I'm talking the total cost of the construction and operation of the bus/train service divided by rides vs. total cost of ownership and operation of an automobile (including its share of road construction and maintenance where it's not double-counted due to gas/license taxation) divided by equivalent rides. Cars beat buses or trains by a factor of several, even if the latter use exisiting rail lines.
Indeed, here in the SF Bay area we have several bus lines where the per-ride cost is in the thousands. It would be cheaper to decommission the line and use the tax money to take each of the regular riders, lease them a Mercedes every year, provide enough gas to make the equivalent trips. As for BART the cars are non-standard, built in France, and cost six million each as of a decade ago. Divide the depreciation over the cars' lifetimes by the number of riders, add in the amortized cost of the land under the (non-standard-gauge) rails, the construction, and the operation. Cars come out 'WAY ahead - even paying the horrible bridge tolls that help subsidize the BART system.
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But a handfull of 'em did look useful, rather than just politically correct but probably counterproductive. (My pick: Free online educational materials.)
You're saying free online education materials would be counterproductive?
Anyway, that was my pick as well. I've heard the med school here for example typically uses really really old anatomy diagrams since almost anything else is copyrighted*, costs an arm and a leg (sorry), and med students refuse to spend over $10 on materials. And obviously anatomy hasn't changed much in the last hundred years, but it is disconcerting that copyright/trademark/etc* limit future doctors' education.
Not being a med student
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You're saying free online education materials would be counterproductive?
Nope. I'm saying that they'd be VERY productive and were the one I picked to vote for as the best of the lot.
(Though I must admit that doing PR for engineering to counter the anti-tech and anti-success bias drummed into the public school kids was also very attractive.)
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I pretty much agree with your criteria for throwing out an idea, though I would like to add another: Things that have already been done, or can be done easily. One idea sounded vaguely like Wikileaks, and another sounded a lot like Wikinews.
I mean, if an idea has been or can be implemented with existing software and a webserver, I see no need to throw $10 million at it.
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Just a rundown of some of the other ideas:
Build real-time, user-reported news service: We already have this, I believe many people call it "news bloging" and there are a variety of index services for it already. Oh, and the regular news is opinionated and one sided (depending on new outlet/reporter) enough
Drive innovation in public transport: That's going to take a lot more money to actually pull off. They argue that many people use methods of publi
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Many of them appeared to be:
Things that should already be done by well-defined organizations (usually governmental).
Of course, this depends on your view of government. Some believe that government should do the minimum possible. If that's the case, then the government shouldn't be doing most of them, with a couple obvious exceptions (I'm looking at you, government transparency). Personally, though, I agree with you. Any time there's an investment to be made in which the overall benefit is greater than the cost by a certain margin, the government would have the responsibility to ensure that investment is made. Please note
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No! If the game of Civilization taught us anything, we 'd rather need inexpensive village based stock exchanges with black jack! with blow and hookers! Seriously, look at the Wall Street, wait, no Las Vegas, wait, Amsterdam! Anyway, don't you want everyone in the world live that life?