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2008 Is the Coldest Year of the 21st Century

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the problem-with-complexity-is-all-the-complexity dept.

Earth 1039

dtjohnson writes "Data from the United Kingdom Meteorological Office suggests that 2008 will be an unusually cold year due to the La Nina effect in the western Pacific ocean. Not to worry, though, as the La Nina effect has faded recently so its effect on next year's temperatures will be reduced. However, another natural cycle, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, is predicted to hold global temperatures steady for the next decade before global warming takes our planet into new warmth. If these predictions are correct, there must be a lot of planetary heat being stored away somewhere ... unless the heat output from the sun is decreasing rather than increasing or the heat being absorbed by the earth is decreasing due to changes in the earth's albedo."

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gore (5, Funny)

gearloos (816828) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698173)

But what will I do with all my "Gore 2012" buttons?

Re:gore (5, Funny)

corsec67 (627446) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698177)

Burn them for warmth.

Re:gore (1)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698227)

Great minds think alike...

Re:gore (3, Funny)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698183)

Burn them to stay warm.

Re:gore (2, Informative)

Kagura (843695) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698539)

Don't harm this person's karma. He posted during the same 60 seconds that the above poster did!

Re:gore (3, Funny)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698579)

How's that thing with Naraku working out?

Re:gore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698185)

"But what will I do with all my 'Gore 2012' buttons?"

use them to invent the internet.

Re:gore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698301)

How about shoving up Al Gore's ass for tacitly endorsing hsi wife's pet project, the PMRC [wikipedia.org] .

I don't care how "right" you think you are, AL, but I'll never forget that. Give ol' tipper a good smackdown for me, will 'ya?

Re:gore (5, Funny)

strelitsa (724743) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698263)

Market them as sleds for gerbils.

Re:gore (1)

Bodhammer (559311) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698503)

ill-tempered gerbils?

Re:gore (0, Troll)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698589)

But what will I do with all my "Gore 2012" buttons?

Ha.

Still, remember that the Gore stance is roughly (yeah, it's exaggerated, but roughly) in line with the science.

The global warming platform from the Republican party is to shoot into the air and yell "yeeehaww!" a bunch.

Re:gore (-1, Troll)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698651)

The global warming platform from the Republican party is to shoot fossil fuels into the air and yell "yeeehaww!" a bunch.

fixed that for ya ;)

Re:gore (3, Insightful)

corbettw (214229) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698711)

Still, remember that the Gore stance is roughly (yeah, it's exaggerated, but roughly) in line with the science.

Is that the science that predicts half of Manhattan underwater? That's like saying your bank account is roughly in line with the bank's accounting when you're overdrawn by $1000.

Re:gore (3, Funny)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698745)

The global warming platform from the Republican party is to shoot into the air and yell "yeeehaww!" a bunch.

They must be taking their science advice from the same people who give them foreign policy advice.

Re:gore (1)

obergfellja (947995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698633)

Looks like Gore's Peace Prize is being revoked...

Frost Post (-1, Offtopic)

abirdman (557790) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698175)

The masses are huddled away from their keyboards so they let me post frost?

Oh goody... (5, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698181)

Here comes a raging global warming debate... haven't seen this on the Internet in 5 seconds.

Hopefully for this one we'll get some cashiers, makeup artists and puppeteers to weigh in with their expert environmental opinion, just to mix things up.

Re:Oh goody... (5, Insightful)

LeafOnTheWind (1066228) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698211)

Global warming is a misnomer anyway - it should be called, "global climate instability."

The name game - one of my favorites... (2, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698231)

How about "Simple Global Carbontosis?

Re:Oh goody... (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698267)

Well, "global warming" says too much, "global climate instability" says to little.

Re:Oh goody... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698369)

..."global climate instability" says to little.

Awe, and here I was going to propose we officially call it "Earth Does Stuff". Too vague?

Re:Oh goody... (5, Insightful)

mrjatsun (543322) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698445)

Mod parent up.. The earth's climate is a control system. As it becomes unstable, you will start seeing more records: cold, hot, rain, drought, record single day temperature differentials, etc.

It's not going to just get warmer over short time periods.. It always amazes me that folks don't realize that.

Re:Oh goody... (5, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698555)

Mod parent up.. The earth's climate is a control system. As it becomes unstable, you will start seeing more records: cold, hot, rain, drought, record single day temperature differentials, etc.

It's not going to just get warmer over short time periods.. It always amazes me that folks don't realize that.


I've been telling people this for a while. I liken it to a spinning top. When it begins to slow down it starts wobbling and becoming very erratic. The difference is that unlike a top, the climate will eventually begin to restabilize. It just might not stabilize in a way that humans are particularly comfortable with.

Albedo (1)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698463)

Al gore's cousin Bedo. It's well know that carbon emissions can temporarily increase reflection. Indeed it was noted that China's Olympics carbon load will actually cause global warming. This does not mean the models are wrong, it actually means they are right. All the more scary really since these models were in some doubt.

Re:Oh goody... (2, Insightful)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698563)

Global climate instability? Isn't that more like, the status quo?

If you DO buy into human-caused global climate change, you should call it that.

Re:Oh goody... (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698729)

As opposed to the historically stable climate that lets us know it'll always rain for 10 minutes on Wednesdays.

Re:Oh goody... (1, Insightful)

JebusIsLord (566856) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698255)

Oh man, I am going to try and resist checking this thread later on...

Climate change denial has got to be the (second) largest example of cognitive dissonance and self-deception in history. Let's hope reason and logic come back into fashion soon.

Re:Oh goody... (1, Troll)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698297)

Climate change denial has got to be the (second) largest example of cognitive dissonance and self-deception in history. Let's hope reason and logic come back into fashion soon.

Wow, believe it or not, most people aren't going to care about a theory that A) Doesn't affect them B) has many people that reject it C) Has no short or medium-term impact and D) has no effects right now.

Re:Oh goody... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698433)

Wow, believe it or not, most people aren't going to care about a theory that A) Doesn't affect them B) has many people that reject it C) Has no short or medium-term impact and D) has no effects right now.

Awesome troll. But I think you're being too harsh on intelligent design, personally ...

Re:Oh goody... (2, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698437)

A) It does affect them

B) Few that rejects it. less then 1%. I'm talking qualified people here.

C) It does have short term impact

D) It is impacting people right now.

Silly to reject climate change (4, Interesting)

j_w_d (114171) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698645)

The climate does nothing but change. The debate is always about which direction it is going. Long-term ice records indicate it should be cooling. CO2 theorists say it should be warming. ! Could we be heading into a period of climate stability as trends cancel???

Re:Oh goody... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698695)

A) It does affect them > who? how? B) Few that rejects it. less then 1%. I'm talking qualified people here. who decides who's qualified? C) It does have short term impact. exmaples please. D) It is impacting people right now. again examples please. for the record I actually agree with you but lets have some citations.

Re:Oh goody... (0)

Shaitan Apistos (1104613) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698483)

Wow, believe it or not, most people aren't going to care about a theory that A) Doesn't affect them B) has many people that reject it C) Has no short or medium-term impact and D) has no effects right now.

They should care, because it does, and is, affecting them right now and in the short and medium term in the form of economically harmful regulation that is put in place by politicians who either believe, or find it politically expedient to act as if they believe, in this theory.

Whether or not global warming A) exists, B) is harmful, or C) is caused by us, is far from a sure thing, but what is a surety is that public policy is and has been set by the proponents of this theory and whether or not said regulations have helped our planet, they have hurt our economy.

You, sir, are wrong. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698603)

Wow, believe it or not, most people aren't going to care about a theory that A) Doesn't affect them

Rising sea levels are already damaging coast line and harming fresh water life. Maple syrup producing seasons are shortening. This affects industries in an immediate way. States are losing tax revenue due to Maple Syrup production going to Canada and tourism being affected by damaged bodies of fresh water.

B) has many people that reject it

Many people also can't be bothered to learn the facts behind issues when they vote. What's your point?

C) Has no short or medium-term impact and D) has no effects right now.

As I stated, global warming is already affecting many people. If you disagree, then you have your head in the sand.

We need socialism to prevent these common tragedies (externalities of our carbon-based energy infrastructure).

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Re:You, sir, are wrong. (1)

robertjw (728654) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698677)

Damn Canadians!

The straw man is dead (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698399)

No one is denying climate change. No one even denies that human activity (or the sun or various natural cycles) influences the change. The argument is over how big a role each factor plays. (Along with accusations of exaggerating selected factors for political or commercial gain.) As with many scientific questions, teasing apart correlation and cause is exceedingly difficult - especially with multi-factor causes.

Re:Oh goody... (4, Informative)

jlarocco (851450) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698629)

Climate change denial has got to be the (second) largest example of cognitive dissonance and self-deception in history. Let's hope reason and logic come back into fashion soon.

Nobody says that climate change isn't happening. The temperature data is fact. It can't be denied any more than it can denied that the sky is blue.

Any serious debate is over whether humans are causing the change, whether it's a problem, and whether we should try doing something about it.

The "problem" is that there are periods in history where it was warmer than it is now, without all of the man-made air pollution.

Re:Oh goody... (4, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698701)

Climate change denial

You're confusing "denial" over climate change (of course it changes! the Sahara was green thousands of years ago, we used to be in an ice age, etc) with being very wary about the political motivations of many of the more shrill people on the stage. Those who claim that the only reason we're looking at any climate change is because of human activity, and that ceasing human activity would magically restore the dynamic climate back to some idyllic state (um... maybe with a green Sahara, but without the continent-covering glaciers, etc? ... they have to nail that part down)... well, it's nonsense. You want cognitive disconnect? Check with the people who are convinced that there are no factors involved except for humans, and in particular the people that aren't in their political party.

Re:Oh goody... (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698717)

Oh man, I am going to try and resist checking this thread later on...

Isn't that just saying that you want to hop on a soap box and say your piece and you really don't want to engage in actual conversation or have to defend your position?

Is that the entire problem with the current "debate" on global warming?

Re:Oh goody... (1)

PPH (736903) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698371)

Crap!

I'm still busy with the emacs vs vi debate.

Re:Oh goody... (4, Funny)

shellbeach (610559) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698525)

I'm still busy with the emacs vs vi debate.

But climate change and your choice of editor are intimately related. It's all the extra processor cycles needed to run emacs that's causing global warming ...

Get the spelling right! (2, Informative)

tomknight (190939) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698189)

It's La Niña.... not some chick called Nina.

Re:Get the spelling right! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698387)

La Nina is spelled La Nina in English.

Get the language right.

Re:Get the spelling right! (3, Funny)

riceboy50 (631755) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698419)

You didn't hear that they renamed it in honor of Nina Reiser?

Re:Get the spelling right! (2, Funny)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698467)

heat being absorbed by the earth is decreasing due to changes in the earth's albedo."

Anyone else read this as libido?

Re:Get the spelling right! (2, Funny)

Bodhammer (559311) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698533)

I thought it was the Areola Borealis?...

Yarr! (4, Funny)

shivamib (1034310) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698197)

Score one fer bloody pirates, mate!

Global Warming (1, Interesting)

Dayze!Confused (717774) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698199)

It has seemed very strange to me seeing all the hype about global warming and such since I was young, yet seeing years like these recent ones where we are hitting some pretty long cold stretches, this year particularly. Are we or are we not actually having "global warming"?

Re:Global Warming (2, Informative)

hey! (33014) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698249)

Short answer, yes.

Long answer, even a warmer climate has stretches of cold years. Sounds like thing are pretty much consistent with the currently accepted climate models, at least for the time being.

Or conversely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698501)

"even a warmer climate has stretches of cold years"

Or even colder climate has stretches of warm years. Particularly if the hyster^H^H^H^H^H reasoned debate over climate change shows the "scientific consensus" is bunk

Re:Global Warming (2, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698515)

> Sounds like thing are pretty much consistent with the currently accepted climate models,
> at least for the time being.

To borrow a phrase I have grown to hate.... citation needed.

Show me one warmer's scare charts that predicted we would COOL DOWN for a decade. Every chart I have ever seen showed ever increasing temps until we all DIE.

And even when the MSM report stories like this one, about a cooling trend, they have to get the "but we are still gonna f**king DIE!" into the second paragraph.

Re:Global Warming (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698587)

How much of that is because the models lack granularity?

I'm pretty sure that if I put really, really accurate data for Jan 1st 2008 into a model, it would be wrong by June (or ya know, January 15th). People are worried about the long term trends right, not the yearly variation?

Re:Global Warming (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698261)

we are seeing higher temps in the arctic circle which results in a higher global mean temp but not necessarily a higher local temp in sub arctic regions.

Re:Global Warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698343)

Really, do yourself a favour and read up on global warming. The effects of a warming Earth are quite varied and indeed include periods where the weather is colder than usual.

Re:Global Warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698487)

Really, do yourself a favour and read up on global warming. The effects of a warming Earth are quite varied and indeed include periods where the weather is colder than usual.

I am so going to be laughing my ass of at dolts like you thirty years from now and the Earth is no warmer than it is today.

Or last century.

Re:Global Warming (1)

Everyone Is Seth (1202862) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698519)

All of the other comments on climate instability aside, if you RTFA, it actually states that it is still the 10th warmest year on record since 1850 - not exactly equating to the ice age. And they go on to speculate that the 0.1 degree Celsius shift is due to La Nina. A global trend upward does not demand that every measured value be a new record high.

Re:Global Warming (2, Insightful)

Hyppy (74366) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698527)

Global Cooling [wikipedia.org] was a big theory in the 70s. It's like clothing, the styles recycle themselves if you wait long enough.

Re:Global Warming (1)

novafluxx (1089189) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698733)

You can say that again

Re:Global Warming (3, Insightful)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698541)

The short answer: We probably are, but we don't know what is causing it, and it may just be a temporary trend.

Basically there has been a general warming trend that roughly correlates with the Industrial Revolution(IR) in the US and Europe. Year-to-year, it fluxuates, but overal there is an increase. Now the Greenies among us will instantly attribute this to emissions, but remember...correlation is not causation.

The IR brought advances to many aspects of our lives, which include meteorological mesurement and recording. Our temperature readings prior to the IR were not quite as accurate or consistently recorded (mass-produced thermometers anyone?). This is one factor that might affect what we are observing.

There is also geological record, which indicates many cooling and warming periods throughout the history of the Earth. We may just be experiencing a natural trend.

This is a hot-button media topic, and you see a lot of studies thrown around...many of which have questionably biased funding sources. And they all love to throw around one-sided statistics, which are the dirtiest lies that you can tell.

IMHO, don't get worked up about it. You don't need to cover your home in solar panels and go out and buy the first electric car you can find. But I think everyone should be mindful of their energy use, and try not to be wasteful. Save a little where you can, but don't horribly inconvenience yourself.

Re:Global Warming (2, Funny)

corbettw (214229) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698559)

When record breaking cold temperatures are touted as evidence of "global warming", what do you think?

And I thought the flat earthers were persistent in their beliefs!

Re:Global Warming (1)

deathtopaulw (1032050) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698715)

haha
You know nothing about the problem do you. The "warming" in the phrase has little to do with the concept of temperature, and more to do with the concept of energy. When you have a fuckton more energy in a system like the earth's, things start fluctuating far more intensely. This makes the hots hotter, the colds colder, and the batshit crazy stuff like hurricanes... well... hurricanier

Re:Global Warming (1)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698571)

It has seemed very strange to me seeing all the hype about global warming and such since I was young, yet seeing years like these recent ones where we are hitting some pretty long cold stretches, this year particularly. Are we or are we not actually having "global warming"?

Since the air conditioning is on pretty high in here, and I have to wear a sweater, I'd say we are definitely not experiencing global warming. I mean, since I'm temporarily colder in some part of the earth, the whole global warming thing must be baloney, right? Or maybe, just maybe, there is a global, long term, documented, trend of warmer temperatures. Maybe that's what they mean by "global warming".

In New Zealand.... (4, Informative)

zonky (1153039) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698207)

we're seeing the best ski season since 1992. There are now around 4.5 metres of base snow at Mt Ruapehu http://www.mtruapehu.com/winter/turoa-report/ [mtruapehu.com]

Re:In New Zealand.... (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698683)

Does that mean the glaciers in The South Island (Fox, Franz Josef) are no longer receding?

Re:In New Zealand.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698725)

Lies! Here in the USA, it is warm, there's no way any other country besides maybe Alaska or Canadia can have snow, especially one so far south as New Zealand. Isn't that supposed to be tropical anyway? You're so close to Brazil and Africa!

Stupid sunspots...( or lack thereof ) (5, Informative)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698213)

Those of us who are paranoid about the sun have got some justification for our beliefs. First off, the new solar cycle is somewhat late, depending on who you believe. Secondly, there have been very few sunspots this year. In fact, right now, we have gone 30 days without a single sunspot.

http://www.solarcycle24.com/ [solarcycle24.com]

Fire up those SUVs and coal plants, little ice age, here we come.

Re:Stupid sunspots...( or lack thereof ) (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698417)

No, you have no scientific justification at all.

SIgh (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698243)

No, the heat output from the sun is not changing to reflect the temperature changes.

Global warming doesn't stop or create the normal cycles. It makes them more active.

The particulate matters in the air reflects light.
Not enough to completly offset the global warming.

Look up global dimming.

The melting of the ice sheets is having a cooling effect on Europe.

Mid life crisis (2, Funny)

theskipper (461997) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698245)

due to changes in the earth's albedo.

Guess Venus is starting to show her age.

Uranus looks kinda cute though.

Re:Mid life crisis (3, Funny)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698325)

Uranus is the one that is into that freaky European sex, right?

What a relief (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698257)

Now every time a girl laughs I have facts to prove that it's normally a lot bigger.

Unbelievable (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698273)

C'mon, just say it. All of you climatologists need to Say "We have no fucking clue" in chorus and three part harmony. Global warming, global cooling, impending ice ages, heating sun, cooling sun. I'm tired of it. Tell you what, why don't you just have a big conference, admit to the world that you're totally clueless and are only spouting these opposing theories in a despeate grab for grant money, then have a gigantic clamateological circle-jerk and make Al Gore eat the bagel. Jackasses.

Re:Unbelievable (0, Troll)

LaskoVortex (1153471) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698665)

Tell you what you can do besides whining on /. anonymously. (1) Get a PhD, (2) become a climatologist yourself, (3) get a big-time faculty position at a top-tier university, (4) do research for 20 years so you can get some solid data to support your hypothesis (5) publish a paper in Nature debunking the whole global warming thing, and (6) collect your Nobel prize and the cool million that goes with it.

Haven't started yet? Still waiting on you to get the PhD in climatology....

Climate Crisis of Faith (2, Funny)

Shaitan Apistos (1104613) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698281)

The greatest trick global warming ever pulled was convincing the world it didn't exist.

Just to respond to Global Warming... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698313)

...the theory of global warming says it gets warmer as a trend but that there are cold and hot extremes along the way.

I just thought it'd be good to preemptively respond to misunderstandings about Global Warming / Climate Change, and those who might think this news counters that theory.

Nice religious quote (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698355)

is predicted to hold global temperatures steady for the next decade before global warming takes our planet into new warmth

Nice religion you have there.

take that, 2083 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698359)

That's right, we know that you had winter from Labor Day all the way up to May 2084 and summer BARELY cracked seventy degrees during early August in Houston, TX but our brutal winter started when Barack Obama became the candidate and was elected into office with Plagiarizin' Joe as his veep.
Had something to do with some place freezing over.

But really it's the albedo or something. Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.

By the way, eight years into a new century and millennium HOW THE HELL DO THEY KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE THE COLDEST YEAR?

Re:take that, 2083 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698581)

Presumably there's an implied "thus far". Are you usually this angry?

Re:take that, 2083 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698661)

I'm shoving my crowbar 'thus far' into your tender pink ass, theist.
Mean what you say and write rather than hoping the audience will become apologists for your shoddy presentation.
Yes this is Slashdot but I've always had a vain suspicion that members of our community are decidedly smarter than the average bear and far more erudite than someone who lurks/trolls at a *chan.

OMG coldest of the LAST 8 YEARS?!? (5, Insightful)

cpu_fusion (705735) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698375)

Hype the headline a little more, will ya?

But Al Gore said.... (1)

Adam8g (1181859) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698381)

That the world is warming.... And he showed a graph to PROVE it !

Re:But Al Gore said.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698731)

To bad he used fradulent data. The discussion of that here was rather interesting. There were still plenty of the global warming cultists that still professed their irrational beliefs.

Re: Global Warming (4, Insightful)

Nezic (151658) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698441)

Basically, the logic is that every weather event or phenomenon is somehow either proof of global warming, or happened despite it and in no way can be used to refute it. Haven't you figured that out yet?

Or low sunspots cause another "little ice age" (3, Interesting)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698443)

... unless the heat output from the sun is decreasing rather than increasing or the heat being absorbed by the earth is decreasing due to changes in the earth's albedo.

TFA missed one: ... or the current sunspot shortage continues, as it did in the "little ice age", causing another one.

Given that, by at least one model, we only have maybe 8 or so centuries until the fossil carbon runs out and we plunge back onto the orbital-mechanics driven end of the current interglacial and dive into a BIG ice age (whose steepening slope we may have been holding off with greenhouse gases since about the dawn of agriculture) we might not see any significant "global warming" at all.

All of this is assuming that we don't establish enough space industrialization to let us tune the insolation and just FIX the issue. (Which seems likely. The current government prescriptions for patching "global warming" would destroy the wealth and technology bases needed to drive a space program.)

And also assuming that polywell, POPS (Periodically Oscillating Plasma Sphere), and other fusion power approaches ALL don't work out. (Cheap aneutronic hydrogen fusion power would drive fossil-carbon based fuels out of the market for most uses and provide the energy needed to drive several technologies that could tune the Earth's temperature.)

Re:Or low sunspots cause another "little ice age" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698723)

(Which seems likely. The current government prescriptions for patching "global warming" would destroy the wealth and technology bases needed to drive a space program.)

Fucking thank you, one intelligent sign of life on slashdot.

Upwelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698455)

Lan Nina and Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation deal with upwelling of cold water and the descending of warm water. The descending of warm water is where your global warming is going.

Let's have some context, please (5, Informative)

shma (863063) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698457)

2008 may be the coldest year of the 21st century, but every other 21st century year sits at the top of the list of warmest years on record. Currently seven out of the top eight spots [wikipedia.org] on the list of warmest years on record are occupied by one of the last seven years. Also from the BBC article:

Even so, 2008 is set to be about the 10th warmest year since 1850, and Met Office scientists say temperatures will rise again as La Nina conditions ease.

I hate to point out the obvious, but global warming models do not predict a year over year increase in temperature. Again, from the article:

"The principal thing is to look at the long-term trend," said Dr Kennedy. "2008 will still be significantly above the long-term average. There's been a strong upward trend in the last few decades, and that's the thing to focus on."

Re:Let's have some context, please (2, Insightful)

dsginter (104154) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698615)

Here's some more context to think about:

14,000 years ago, Michigan was covered by a glacier [mtu.edu] . I have a hunch that SUVs did not melt this glacier.

Re:Let's have some context, please (2, Insightful)

corbettw (214229) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698649)

2008 may be the coldest year of the 21st century, but every other 21st century year sits at the top of the list of warmest years on record.

Seriously? The list you linked to starts in the late 19th centure, at the tail end of a freakin' ice age. Is it any wonder there would be warmer years after that?

Warm winter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698459)

It wasn't warm summer here in Finland, but the winter was also very mild. If we can say there was winter at all in southern Finland.

The climate is not looking very good.

The law of small numbers (5, Insightful)

davidwr (791652) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698479)

It would be a lot more interesting if 2008 was the coldest year in the last 100 years instead of the coldest year "this century."

2001, or 2000 for those who short-change the first century, set a record as both the coldest and hottest year of the century. The following year broke one of those records.

Crapshoot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24698551)

I think what all this is saying is that when it comes to climate no one really knows what the hell is going on.

Global warming or cooling? (5, Funny)

ilovesymbian (1341639) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698605)

This picture [beewulf.com] says it all - is it global warming or global cooling?

Slashdot, Bias for nerds.......... (4, Insightful)

Kr1ll1n (579971) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698611)

that don't like to be wrong.....
and I quote the poster;
".....before global warming takes our planet into new warmth."

"due to changes in the earth's libido" (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698681)

Oh! AL-BIDO... ok right... need to get of the Pr0n NOW!

Weather is not climate (0, Redundant)

theCat (36907) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698721)

Anyone doing "climate predictions" on less than 80 years of data with 5 year smoothing, drawn from multiple data sources representing well dispersed sampling sites, is kidding themselves.

But go on, look for your ice age if that's what you want to do. Nature doesn't give a bent farthing what you want, you will get what you have coming to you, never fear. And once we hit 400ppm CO2 we're likely to get it up side the head, in spades, and with a twist of lemon.

They must be taking the temp in San Francisco, CA. (1)

Neanderthal Ninny (1153369) | more than 6 years ago | (#24698737)

To quote Mark Twain:
"The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco."
However, I did notice our weather here in the San Francisco Bay Area has been cooler than normal. I live in the San Ramon Valley, east of San Francisco, and the normal temperature average high temperature is 79 degrees F since June 21 but notice that our a average is now 75 degrees F.

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