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FreeBSD 5.4 Released

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the still-free-too dept.

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FreeBSD 5.4 is out. Reader KFW excerpts from the announcement: "The Release Engineering Team is happy to announce the availability of FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE, the latest release of the FreeBSD Stable development branch. Since FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE in November 2004 we have made many improvements in functionality, stability, performance, and device driver support for some hardware, as well as dealt with known security issues and made many bugfixes." Here are the release notes.

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Offtopic (-1, Offtopic)

anandpur (303114) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483522)

Pamela Jones (PJ) of GROKLAW posted her response [groklaw.net] on her weblog.
Printable Version. [groklaw.net]

LINUX WOMEN ARE UGLY OLD HAGS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483571)

Who Is Pamela Jones?
By Maureen O'Gara

Friday May 6, 2005 - A few weeks ago I went looking for the elusive harridan who supposedly writes the Groklaw blog about the SCO v IBM suit.

The now-famous opinion-shaping open source leader Pamela Jones, aka PJ, doesn't give conventional face-to-face interviews. Never has, near as anyone knows. All communication is virtual. Only one person in the world has ever claimed to have met her - in the pressroom at LinuxWorld in Boston complete with a Pamela Jones badge - and described her as a fortyish reddish-blonde who giggled a lot.

Oh yeah? Wonder what cold crème she uses.

Pamela Jones is a 61-year-old Jehovah's Witness who lives in a shabby genteel garden apartment in desperate need of an interior decorator on a heavily trafficked commercial road at 304 North Central Avenue in Hartsdale, New York. Hartsdale is in Westchester and Westchester is IBM territory.

See, even though Groklaw treats cell phones like they were Kleenex and changes its unpublished numbers regularly, one number it left with a journalist led to this flat and - wouldn't you know it but - some calls from there had been placed to the courts in Utah and to the Canopy Group so obviously this just isn't any Pamela Jones.

Pamela has lived in apartment 1A for 10 years at least, according to the super, who says he's watched people move in, have children, and the children marry and move away.

Now, this isn't your usual anonymous New York apartment. It's practically a self-contained village where the super goes for the old ladies' groceries when there's snow on the ground and people know each other's business.

But the super didn't know much about Pamela except that she had a computer, worked at home (maybe sometimes) for a lawyer, was "paranoid" - his word - and "sensitive to smells."

He remembered how he was cleaning paintbrushes one day and she came running down the stairs screaming "Fire."

She was also missing and had been for weeks.

Nobody there knew where she was.

She had up and disappeared one day, and the super was worried about her. He said her son had dropped by and he didn't know where she was, and that some strange man that "nobody knew," as the super described him, had tried to get into her apartment while she was gone - the Medeco lock she had had installed on her door - something nobody else in the complex seemed to feel a need for - was more expensive than the door. But, as it happened, the super said, she had just sent in her rent in an envelope postmarked Connecticut.

Like an episode out of "Where in the World is Carmen San Diego," the trail led to 10 Bittersweet Trail in Norwalk, Connecticut, 24 miles away. Sure enough, parked in the driveway was Pamela's car, just as the super had described it, a dark gray '90s Japanese number with a bunch of Jehovah Witness pamphlets tossed on the backseat.

The woman at the house, Barbara Sharnik, told a disjointed story. She didn't know Pamela, Pamela hated her, Pamela wasn't there, Pamela left her car there because it got bumped, Pamela left her car there because she left town, and so on.

Afterwards Barbara called the cops, and then the cops called the number we left with her and the cops said that she was Pamela's mother and that Pamela was on the run and had shacked up with her mother because she had gotten "threatening mail" weeks before and that she had just gotten spooked again because "people were getting hurt around [my] stories" and had lighted out for Canada.

Odd, the subject of my stories - or any stories - never came up during our brief interview. I was just looking for Pamela.

That left Pamela's son, Nicolas Richards, who, as it happens, had been in the software business in Manhattan until - why, my goodness - things seem to have come a cropper right around the time Groklaw came into existence.

Nick and his ma were apparently involved together in Medabiliti Inc, an ISV, because one Pamela Jones with a Westchester phone number (914 761-7423) and a Medabiliti e-mail (pjones@medabiliti.com) was down as the director of public affairs on a Medabiliti press release dated April 14, 2003.

Nick, as it happens, has written under his own byline on a Groklaw sister site, GrokDoc, giving advice on technical writing. Nick and his wife Andrea live in fancier digs than his ma on East 76th Street off First Avenue, a neighborhood where apartments go for a couple of million bucks.

Now, according to one of Pamela's neighbors and fellow Jehovah's Witness, being a Jehovah's Witness is pretty much a full-time job in and of itself. Witnesses also don't usually get involved in worldly affairs.

So, is this story-spooked 61-year-old Jehovah's Witness with religious tracts in her backseat also the 90-hour-a-week writer of the voluminous PJ diatribes or is she a victim of identity theft?

TO BE CONTINUED...

Re:LINUX WOMEN ARE UGLY OLD HAGS (1)

the Howard Dean Camp (748694) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483673)

Wow, this PJ is one wacked out freakazoid... And I thought _I_ was paranoid.

Sniff, sniff (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483523)

What's that smell?

Sorry guys (1, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483530)

I'm not dead.

I'm really sorry everyone, but a story like this is just begging for it.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-02.htm [mwscomp.com]

FreeBSD:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
What?
CUSTOMER:
Nothing. Here's your ninepence.
FreeBSD:
I'm not dead!
CART MASTER:
'Ere. He says he's not dead!
CUSTOMER:
Yes, he is.
FreeBSD:
I'm not!
CART MASTER:
He isn't?
CUSTOMER:
Well, he will be soon. Netcraft confirms it.
FreeBSD:
I'm getting better!

Re:Sorry guys (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483538)

Oh, a holy grail joke. Now that's original.

Re:Sorry guys (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483700)

*sarcasm detector explodes*

It's not dead... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483556)

It's just pining for the fjords.

I mean, why do you think Linux was started in Finland?

Re:It's not dead... (1)

AussieVamp2 (636560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484741)

are you sure they put fjords on Finland as well? :)

Re:Sorry guys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483696)

Isn't FreeBSD the distro that thought it was dying, but it turns out it was just a pussy?

how... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483533)

Ok...So how much is FreeBSD 5.4 going to cost me?

Re:how... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483544)

Free.

Re:how... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483670)

You too can own a copy of Free BSD! Just Paypal get_freebsd352@hotmail.com from a bank account (sorry, no credit cards accepted)!

Fifty Dollars. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483703)

I'll come over to your house and install it for free. If you want me to shower first, that costs extra.

Re:how... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483770)

There is a little contract called the BSD license, which transfers your soul over to a dameon by the name of 'chuck' for unlimited free use of the operating system and source code. So 1 soul == unlimited license on the system. I believe microsoft used the soul of founder bill gates, while apple, used the soul of someone from the marketing dept.

Re:how... (2, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483773)

Outpacing the even the steep markups on Microsoft office products in the last 3 years, 5.4 will cost you 150% as much as 5.3 did ! ! ! !

Re:how... (3, Funny)

td (46763) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483943)

5.4 times as much as 1.0.

Alive (0, Troll)

p0 (740290) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483547)

Good to see it is still alive and very kicking.

Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483554)

This brings a certain scene from Kill Bill Volume 2 to mind.

Better SMP support? Better MySQL performance? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483573)

I hope so. SMP + MYSQL performance is horrible with the *BSD's across the board. :(

Re:Better SMP support? Better MySQL performance? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483621)

Here's a few things from the release notes that might help with MySQL and/or SMP: A number of bugs have been fixed in the ULE scheduler. A bug in Inter-Processor Interrupt (IPI) handling, which could cause SMP systems to crash under heavy load, has been fixed. More details are contained in errata note A number of bugfixes for libpthread have been merged from HEAD. Anyone from FreeBSD know for sure if the fixes above will help bring FreeBSD up to par with Linux as far as MySQL performance on SMP machines go?

Re:Better SMP support? Better MySQL performance? (1)

mi (197448) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484655)

Anyone from FreeBSD know for sure if the fixes above will help bring FreeBSD up to par with Linux as far as MySQL performance on SMP machines go?
Probably not, because certain very busy people have -- once again -- forgotten to turn off INVARIANTS in the threading libraries' Makefile :-(

I doubt, many benchmarkers will bother turning these off on their systems and recompiling libthr/libc_r ...

congrats (5, Interesting)

moz25 (262020) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483579)

Congrats to the freebsd team.

I have one (uneducated) question though: they mention a number of security fixes. How long does it generally take for a fix/patch to come out on freebsd compared to linux (or the other bsd variants)? I'm considering experimenting with it, but the relative comfort of packaging systems I'm familiar with makes it sort of hard.

Re:congrats (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483620)

Generally the mailing list comes out with patches much quicker than other flavors of *nix. 24 hour turn around times with patches is not uncommon for FreeBSD (They pride themselves with security)

Commercial flavours of unix maybe. (3, Informative)

Some Random Username (873177) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484231)

Netbsd and openbsd are just as fast as freebsd with the fixes, and so are most linux distros. Its really only commercial unix vendors that are slow with the fixes.

Re:congrats (3, Interesting)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483642)

you can usually measure it in hours

openbsd ... it's probably already been fixed for a few months

Re:congrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483716)

Couldn't you always measure it in hours?

Re:congrats (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483748)

"a matter of a few hours" is what i meant, but didn't type. sorry

Re:congrats (5, Informative)

jwthompson2 (749521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483648)

As fast as they are fixed, which in reality ends up being comparable to Linux, just listen on the appropriate mailing lists and follow the step-by step instructions. There are also some automated utilities in the ports collection that ease security updates. The BSD ports system will take care of most of your packaging concerns as well since it is an actively updated collection, although most require compilation from source there is the binary alternative, package, which should be easy enough for most RPM folk I would imagine.

Check out this link [freebsd.org] regarding packages and ports.

Re:congrats (2, Interesting)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484853)

As fast if not faster than linux. Also, IIRC (don't flame me, correct me if I'm wrong) most linux variants of packaging systems were derived from BSD. As for worrying about about the packaging system... you only need two utilities, and two config files. cvsup-without-gui and portupgrade. It's literally as simple as portinstall *package you want*. And if you want it updated portupgrade *package to be updated*. You just have to keep your ports tree up to date and you'll have the most up to date versions available. It's probably one of the simplest systems I've ever seen. Also, there's portaudit which will automatically scan the security lists to see if any of your installed packages are vulnerable. And finally the "portupgrade -a" command which will update everything (although I can't say I recommend this one) but if that's your cup of tea, it makes it real simple.

FreeBSD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483582)

FreeBSD = Satan

Re:FreeBSD (1)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483619)

actually, that's a Daemon :P

Re:FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483709)

And as we all know Damon [cnn.net] is Jesus.

Remember, cvsup is your friend! (4, Informative)

nubbie (454788) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483588)

Using CVSup [freebsd.org] and then Rebuilding "world" [freebsd.org]

BSD is dying 5.3 released (-1, Troll)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483593)

BSD is dying 5.3 fixes the following issues:

BSD is dying 5.2 didn't work.

Re:BSD is dying 5.3 released (0, Offtopic)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483998)

Overrated, troll.

Geez guys I was only joking.

I like BSD.

Touchy.

Re:BSD is dying 5.3 released (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484279)

I would've modded you redundant, assface.

Re:BSD is dying 5.3 released (0, Offtopic)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484345)

Maybe, but anonymous cowards don't get to mod at all. Get an account, make some contributions and then you'll get some mod points and be able to mod me "redundant" later.

Re:BSD is dying 5.3 released (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484602)

Exactly. Get some throw-away e-mail accounts and register some slashdot accounts with them. Then make a bunch of posts pandering to whatever views are the most popular, thus building up your mod points. Note that you don't have to really mean what you write, you're just trying to build up points. Be sure to spread your points out among your various accounts. Kind of like building up a nuclear stockpile or patent portfolio, you can then use these points to blast anyone you later disagree with or just don't like don't like. Its great fun, but AC's aren't allowed to play!

Re:BSD is dying 5.3 released (1, Funny)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484814)

You're a funny lad.

I don't think Mod points are as powerful as a "nuclear stockpile" but you may have a point in terms of the "patent portfolio"

I'd mod you up to "amusing" if I could...

The end is near. (5, Funny)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483615)

Sarge was frozen.

FreeBSD has risen from the grave.

It's hailing here in northern California in may.

The end is near, put on your glasses and anti-radiation suits boys, we're in for a ride.

Re:The end is near. (1, Funny)

grolschie (610666) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483721)

Does this mean Duke Nukem Forever is about to be released too?

Re:The end is near. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483761)

That means I'll be able to run it on my Longhorn box!

Re:The end is near. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483892)

The release date for DNF is one day AFTER the end of the universe. So yeah, if you can hold out until after the destruction of the dark universe, then you'll be good to go.

Re:The end is near. (1)

Zan Lynx (87672) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484680)

According to this month's PC Gamer [pcgamer.com] , yes.

Re:The end is near. (0, Redundant)

PakProtector (115173) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483806)

I would, but everything is so black, I just can't seem to locate my Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.

Re:The end is near. (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484030)

That's OK. It is somebody else's problem.

Re:The end is near. (1)

bubkus_jones (561139) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484181)

The glasses, they do nothing!

I hope it's better than 5.3 (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483626)

I tried installing 5.3 back when that was released but all I got was a boot prompt and a solid tone/beep.

I had followed the standard basic install, using the whole disk, etc. Obviously something was wrong with the bootloader. I did some searching but didn't really find anything. Some stuff seemed like a hell of a lot of work just to fix the issue so I gave up.

(note that I have been using BSD systems for some 8 years but it's been about a year or two since I had to install one from scratch; I just remember that the install worked a lot better back then)

Re:I hope it's better than 5.3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483734)

You may want to check your hardware.. Install works fine on everything I've used it on.

Re:I hope it's better than 5.3 (1, Informative)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484036)

I was running FreeBSD as my desktop OS for quite a while (from the 4.x through the beginning of 5.x), and am still running it on my server. Recently I've switched my desktop machines to plain Debian and Ubuntu. At the risk of being too factual and objective :-), here's what I see as the pros and cons:

Good things about FreeBSD:

  1. Variety is good. If we wanted a monoculture, we'd be running Windows. It's cool that we have an OS that's under a non-viral license, as well as one that's GPL'd.
  2. It's a single, consistent system. You can get a book (or actually, several books) describing FreeBSD, and get a description of exactly the system you're using. With Linux, you have, e.g., O'Reilly's Running Linux, which says, "If you're running Red Hat, then..., but if you're running Debian, ... etc."
  3. If you want something rock-solid to run a server on, and you don't need support for the latest hardware, FreeBSD is great.

Reasons to prefer Linux:

  1. If you want support for the latest hardware, you either need to run Linux, or FreeBSD 5.x, and FreeBSD 5.x is somewhat flaky.
  2. The FreeBSD ports system is not all it's cracked up to be. Stuff is constantly breaking. The desktop apps just aren't maintained carefully enough (not surprising, since FreeBSD is not a major desktop OS). After a cvsup, you get left wit a system in a state where you can't upgrade one piece of software without breaking a lot of other software. Portupgrade is a disaster -- I've never seen a better way to bork a system than to unleash portupgrade on it.

Re:I hope it's better than 5.3 (1)

menkhaura (103150) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484431)

FreeBSD 5 is now the stable branch, and 4.x became legacy.

Please enlighten me, how is FreeBSD 5.x flaky?

The ports system works almost perfectly for me (FreeBSD is my main desktop and it is on one of my test servers). Keeping curent is simply a matter of make update && portupgrade -a every morning (I don't even run cvsup manually), with the occasional hiccup that is easily solvable by yourself or with a little help from TFM, freebsd-questions@lists.freebsd.org, or freebsd-ports@lists.freebsd.org.

Re:I hope it's better than 5.3 (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484894)

I have a feeling you haven't touched 5.x since it's first iterations. Granted, the VERY FIRST 5.x releases were QUITE flaky. But since 5.3 was released it's been nothing but stable for me.

As a desktop O/S, I'm sure you did have issues, but then, that was never it's intention.

What exactly have you had portupgrade break? I've never had a single problem with it. If nothing else it's helped to take care of my dependency woe's.

good stuff (1, Redundant)

Herr_Nightingale (556106) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483658)

I just wish Microsoft would pull an Apple and stick a GUI on top of it. Sigh. Longhorn would come a lot sooner (mid-2010?) if they took this route. Plus it might not suck hairy donkey balls then.

re: good stuff (1)

Tab is on Slashdot (853634) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483717)

Have you SEEN Microsoft GUIs?!

Re: good stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484733)

Have you seen apple's? They'd be better of slapping "Windows" over all the "KDE" text and going from there.

Re:good stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483743)

Why doesn't MS just steal the Mac OSX GUI recipe (without all the one mouse button crap), Windows-ify it, and bang it on x86 BSD?

Re:good stuff (4, Interesting)

dabigpaybackski (772131) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484038)

I've thought the same thing on more than one occasion, but the time for MS to have made that decision was years ago, before they spent all that money on anti-Unix advertising.

It would be hard for them to talk their way out of the rhetorical position they're in, where (it is claimed) Unix is inferior/dead/too expensive.

It's too bad, because I think they would be in a stronger position had they gone the Apple route. Can you imagine how different things would be if they had released a Unix-based OS a couple of years ago? Unthinkable.

Re:good stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484278)

Can you imagine how different things would be if they had released a Unix-based OS a couple of years ago? Unthinkable.


Unthinkable indeed, just picture it: Unix with clippy... *shudder*

Re:good stuff (1)

menkhaura (103150) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484457)

Done and done. [sourceforge.net]

Re:good stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484446)

Remember Zenix (Microsoft Unix)?

Re:good stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484506)

Xenix.

Re:good stuff (2, Insightful)

jbplou (732414) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484681)

You think they could be in a stonger position then they are now. They own the desktop market, have a good position in the server market, own the office suite market, own a decent development and business integration and back end software market(think SQL Server, .NET...). How else could they improve in position in your eyes, no wait lets not worry about your eyes lets worry about reality. Microsoft is doing fantanstic business wise, sure IBM and HP rank higher on the fortune 500 but microsof doesn't do harware or consulting. For a software only company they have dominated there chosen markets for the most part. Going to an OS based on Free-BSD would make it much easier for their competitors to run software on different platforms, it would be stupid, they need product lock-in to maintain their advantage.

Re:good stuff (1)

pr0c (604875) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484472)

Herr_Nightingale (556106): I just wish Microsoft would pull an Apple and stick a GUI on top of it. Sigh. Longhorn would come a lot sooner (mid-2010?) if they took this route. Plus it might not suck hairy donkey balls then.

I've always wanted the same thing, sadly however the majority of ./ would just call Microsoft theives, etc... but its okay for Apple to do it...

I'm also waiting to see how receptive ./ is of the [potentially] new Apache project.. an implimentation of Java. Lets see if they treat it the same as mono or again hipocrits.

Torrents are your friends: (5, Informative)

rkrabath (742391) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483662)


##### Disk One [freebsd.org] #####

##### Disk Two [freebsd.org] #####

Of course, in their infinate wisdom, the coders of slashdot have decided to make my life difficult with their damn lameness filters

Re:Torrents are your friends: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483702)

Wish they would make a DVD image with distfiles and more packages on it. =)

Re:Torrents are your friends: (5, Informative)

acidos (39557) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483830)

If you buy a set from BSD Mall [bsdmall.com] they now come with both 2 CDs and a DVD that has all sorts of extra packages on it, for the same price that just the 2 CDs would cost you in the past.

Re:Torrents are your friends: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483720)

But only if you're doing a new install. If you have systems up and running, for God's sake, just use cvsup and rebuild the world and kernel image.

Re:Torrents are your friends: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483753)

I wish there was a torrent method for CVSUP !! ::seeding::

Bloody Thieves!!! (5, Funny)

The Ancients (626689) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483762)

Software is released that someone has obviously put a lot of time and effort into, and within five minutes of the story on /. someone's posted torrent links.

What is it with you people???

You make me sick.

Re:Bloody Thieves!!! (3, Funny)

discogravy (455376) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483862)

oh, don't feel too bad -- the site that has the .torrents for download is slashdotted, so it's not like there are as many folks helping the download happen as there could be. :)

Re:Bloody Thieves!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484304)

Software is released that someone has obviously put a lot of time and effort into, and within five minutes of the story on /. someone's posted torrent links.

I agree with you. Buy the CDs/DVDs and support [bsdmall.com] the project [freebsdmall.com] .

Re:Bloody Thieves!!! (1)

rkrabath (742391) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484808)

I know you're modded funny, but I'm not sure you're actually kidding.

My view: They have released it for free, and provided links on their site to get it easily, again for free. I might as well encourage people to use BT so the fine developers don't have to pay as much for our free downloads.

Of course people should buy the CDs. But failing that, at least keep the bandwidth bills down.

Re:Torrents are your friends: (1)

phpCypher (882779) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483800)

I wish CVS could integrate with bittorrent somehow ... until then ::seeding::

Damn (0)

UN1XG0D (867838) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483763)

And I just got through installing 5.3 on my work box. Guess I'll be cvsup'ing tonight.

VIA CLE266/VT8235 USB support (2, Interesting)

green pizza (159161) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483764)

No mention of it in the release notes, I wonder if USB finally works properly on the VIA CLE266 / VT8235 chipset. That's the only thing that keeps me on Linux.

Re:VIA CLE266/VT8235 USB support (1)

Markos (71140) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483831)

Forgive my ignorance but...

What exactly is the issue? Is it a lack of support, or existing bugs that make it unusable?

Situations like this make me think that it'd be nice if there was some sort of compatiblity goal so that drivers could be somewhat crossplatform, or at least easily ported acrosss the various unix's via some sort of shared api or something.

I'm sure there are 101 reasons why this isn't possible, but it's nice to dream :)

Re:VIA CLE266/VT8235 USB support (1)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483993)

"No mention of it in the release notes, I wonder if USB finally works properly on the VIA CLE266 / VT8235 chipset. That's the only thing that keeps me on Linux."

Does any VIA chipset actually work properly?

Re:VIA CLE266/VT8235 USB support (1, Flamebait)

Len (89493) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484645)

Does any VIA chipset actually work properly?

I never had a problem with my KT333 board.

Of course, it was running Windows.

Help promote their new torrent option, (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483835)

Help promote their new torrent option, seed it for a bit me me and the 5 others doing it currently.

http://people.freebsd.org/~kensmith/5.4-torrent/ [freebsd.org]

if you can, join the all seeds ; )

Free BSD (4, Interesting)

a3217055 (768293) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483848)

Congrats Well awaited, will install and give it a try. Sorry not top of the line hardware... But then what about Debian, Debian is like dreamer in high school. J/K But BSD is well welcomed, I run BSD on my laptop but after some stand offs it is one of the most nicest systems I have used. But I always ask this to the Linux guys at my compnay ( ps I also run linux ) why did linux get the market it has now and not BSD ? Even thought BSD has a lot of cooler things . . . PS Apple OSX is not BSD, it is a lot like your lil'sister who gets involved with the wrong type of guy in the adult industry.

Re:Free BSD (5, Insightful)

dmaxwell (43234) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484083)

But I always ask this to the Linux guys at my compnay ( ps I also run linux ) why did linux get the market it has now and not BSD ?

Just plain marketing for one. *BSD can and probably is better by any number of measures. "Better" doesn't always equate to "sexier".

The other reason is that GPL can be more business friendly than the BSD license. The trick here is that the GPL is picky about which businesses it is friends with. For strategic reasons, a company like IBM can open something up but place the contribution under the GPL. It is perfectly free from an end user point of view but will require re-implementation on the part of a competitor who wishes to use knowledge from the code in question. This takes nothing away from scenarios where the BSD license is more "business friendly". Personally, I find the "moral" arguments around all of this induce finger drumming. If the choices were BSD or nothing or GPL or nothing then I expect we'd see much less funding of interesting projects by business.

Re:Free BSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484146)

There was that minor AT&T vs. Berkely lawsuit going on just about the time Linus was releasing his kernel to the Internet.

Re:Free BSD (1)

menkhaura (103150) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484489)

Apple OSX is not BSD, it is a lot like your lil'sister who gets involved with the wrong type of guy in the adult industry.

I couldn't have said better! Mod me offtopic if you will, but please stop saying MacOS X == BSD!

tail -f *log (3, Funny)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483854)

From the release notes:

"The -f option of tail(1) utility now supports more than one file at a time."

That enhancement alone is worthy of upgrading!

Re:tail -f *log (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12483933)

They already had ports that did this (xtail or ftail or something of that sort)

Jnode Os is more secure than BSD. Prove me wrong. (-1, Offtopic)

zymano (581466) | more than 9 years ago | (#12483870)

Why does Jnode OS [sourceforge.net] get no media attention on Slashdot ? The whole point BSD is that it's secure . Well this java os is more secure than BSD because it is programmed with the most secure language.

I had this idea a long time ago (1)

Urusai (865560) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484246)

...for a thin client type setup. Certainly not for server stuff, but for client farms. It's amazing how people steal my ideas when I take off the foil hat. I can only assume that a major theoretical discovery in CS will be announced shortly. Oh yeah, and someone else will win the lottery.

release, release but it still is dying... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484050)

... the cancer is terminal. You cannot halt it. Dying it is. BSD is it. Farewell to thee.

GUI to desktop (1, Interesting)

guildsolutions (707603) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484249)

I still contend that all BSD and linux developers need to work together on making a stable, solid, well functional GUI like OS X for the X86 arch, so that it can compete against windows on a larger scale for the desktop position. Without forcing microsofts hand with a good, stable well working GUI... Its never going to happen.

Re:GUI to desktop (1, Insightful)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484589)

And that is why you fail.... Seriously, that's not the goal. OSS is your way, the way you want it. Not to replace some software company

Re:GUI to desktop (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484750)

maybe that's what GNUStep will be, give it a couple more years

Might be a stupid question, but... (1)

stanthegoomba (805724) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484251)

what is the easiest way to upgrade FreeBSD? I installed 5.3 a couple months ago and I want to know how to safely update to 5.4 without downloading and burning another CD.

Re:Might be a stupid question, but... (3, Informative)

menkhaura (103150) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484533)

Create a standard-supfile with the following content:

*default host=cvsup2.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_4
*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress
src-all

(I like to put it under /etc). Then you can run the following command:

cvsup -g -L 2 /path/to/your/standard-supfile
Go make some coffee while your sources are synchronized, then read the Handbook to learn how to build the beast.

Re:Might be a stupid question, but... (1)

sn00ker (172521) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484574)

cvsup.
pkg_add -rv cvsup-without-gui, then take a look at the example supfiles in /usr/share/samples/cvsup
Once you've brought the system up-to-date (if you just want to go to 5.4, set the release tag to RELENG_5_4), follow the instructions in the Handbook [freebsd.org] on building the world.

That handbook section covers all the stuff I've mentioned above. The Handbook is your friend.

Re:Might be a stupid question, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484803)

If you are not running a modified kernel whats wrong with:
read the UPDATE doc, while backing up,
download the ISO's burn em, boot up and choose binary upgrade. should take 30 minutes or so + download time of ISO.

5.4 Dedication (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484253)

The FreeBSD 5.4 Release is dedicated to the memory of Cameron Grant [dbsi.org] . Cameron was an active FreeBSD Developer and principal architect of the sound driver subsystem despite his physical handicap. His is a superb example of human spirit dominating over adversity. Cameron was an inspiration to those who met him; he will be fondly remembered and sorely missed.

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/announce.html [freebsd.org]

Requiem for the FUD (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484290)


... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004) [internetnews.com]
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004) [netcraft.com]
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004) [slashdot.org]
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004) [serverwatch.com]
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004) [slashdot.org]
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004) [netbsd.org]

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004) [eweek.com]
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004) [newsforge.com]
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard. [openssh.org]

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004) [mi2g.com]
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) [oreilly.com] ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter [onlamp.com]
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;) [keltia.net]

--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

stable development? (1)

jbellis (142590) | more than 9 years ago | (#12484311)

which is it? :)

Alpha? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#12484955)

I thought they were dropping support for Alpha?
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