LinuxWorld Editorial Machinations 498
James Turner writes "The editors of LinuxWorld Magazine have been fighting a quiet war with the publishers (Sys-Con Media) for half a year, trying to get hack-journalist Maureen O'Gara purged from their site. Well, with O'Gara's recent vile attack on Pamela Jones (which I won't give any more free publicity by linking to), enough is finally enough.
In my latest blog, I've basically told Sys-Con that it's either her or me. I suspect, given the amount of page views O'Gara's tripe brings to the Sys-Con sites, that they'll choose her." James isn't the only one either.
Shame (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Shame (Score:2)
What I find MORE interesting is that the editors for LinuxWorld are going along with her crap. This anti-linux anti-OSS bias in a Linux magazine is mind-boggling. What are they thinking? Maybe a letter campaign to the advertizers would be effective.
Re:Shame (Score:5, Interesting)
You can help by sending emails to the publisher asking for her removal and drop your subscription and don't visit the site if they don't. Remember, if the publisher is keeping her around because she is driving dollars, you and the linux community can fire back by walking away with those dollars.
Better way (Score:5, Insightful)
If 100 people write polite letters to the sys-con advertisers politely, and I do mean politely, informing them that their support of Sys-Con, MoG and others is costing them your business, it will hit Sys-Con where it hurts.
I write for The Inq, I know how the game is played. If you want attention, polite and cogent letters that hit them in the wallet are the only things that work.
Flaming them only hurts your cause, clicking on them brings them more money. It is pretty obvious that they are out for hits at any cost, that is how their bills are paid. Cut that out and you end the games, play into it, and it gets worse.
If you notice, there is nothing on Groklaw about it, that would be playing the game MoG wants you to play. Don't feed the trolls, cut off their food instead.
I personally wrote several people I know about it, and lets see what becomes of it. Do the same. If someone wants to make a list of Sys-Con advertisers and post it below, great. If you want to hunt down that and contact info, better still. You can find the contact info on most vendor's web pages under contact us or press links. Be polite and firm, and tell them their wallets are at risk. Have fun also.
-Charlie
How about blaming copyrights (Score:3, Interesting)
Of cource I know people would say, well Linux Journal is c
Re:Shame (Score:5, Insightful)
I will agree that for profit journalists and media bring in more cash for themselves and have the resources to make more noise and be in more peoples faces. However, the attention they get is not due to demand for their product no more than rubber neckers at a train wreck create a demand for more train wrecks.
And in case you haven't noticed, those same for profit journalists, media, and their corporate backers with deep pockets are funding a massive attack on the linux community because the community threatens their for profit revenue streams. The level of education and susceptibility of the community have little to do with the unethical actions of those who would attack the community.
burnin
(doh, forgot to post anonymously, maybe next time)
Re:Shame (Score:3, Insightful)
Therefore if one wishes to have ANY influence on what is said, one must decide what to read or not read based on the opinions of others. (Also there's just too much to read everything...so one needs *SOME* kind of filtering system.)
Re:Shame (Score:5, Funny)
I *really* *hate* MoGs.
The WalMart down the road was selling Mini Maureen O'Gara Trolls (MoGTrolls) for 2 cents a piece. That was even less than the 5 cents a piece I paid for those damn monkeys ... so I figured "What have I got to loose?"
So I bought 250 MoGTrolls for $5.00. I mean, what's 5 buck, right? What could possibly go wrong?
I took my 250 MoGTrolls home. I have a big car. One of them insisted on driving. Its' name was Maureen O'Gara (all the MoGTrolls answer to Maureen O'Gara). It was retarded, even for a troll. In fact, now that I had them outside in the daylight, it was obvious that they were all "more than a few bricks short of a full load." I couldn't let the MoGTroll drive, so I kicked it in the head. It LIKED being kicked in the head! WTF? So I obliged it by kicking it some more. Soon, all the MoGTrolls were kicking each other and giggling like crazy, snot running down their ugly troll faces. This made it hard to drive, but we finally made it home.
I herded them into the basement. They didn't adapt well to their new environment. They stopped kicking each other, and just sulked. Then they began pulling the hair out of each other. It quickly became am ess. Oh, and nobody told me that MoGTrolls aren't toilet trained. I googled and yahoo'd for "toilet training MoGTrolls", but all that came back was "lots of luck, sucker!" and "never been done."
The novelty of having 250 MoGTrolls had worn off.
The MogTrolls got out of the basement and kept trying to use my computers, even though everyone knows that MoGTrolls can't write for shit. They kept on, though, and started posting all sorts of weird, distorted stuff. I mean REALLY bent! So my ISP cut me off. I hate MoGTrolls.
I had to find another ISP. And the damn MoGTrolls got me kicked off that one, too. I went from high-speed cable to adsl to dialup to - well, lets just say that TCP/IP over a clothesline really sux. I can only post when my neighbours are doing their laundry. I feel SO low having to steal bandwidth through their underware flapping in the breeze!
Did I mention that I hate MoGTrolls?
At least by now I knew why the MoGTrolls were so cheap - nobody would want one. All they do is sit around and make rambling random noise and emit noxious vapours, and excrete stuff that even the dogs don't want to sniff ... and dogs will eat their own puke!
I didn't know what to do - I was at wits end. So I went out to the local Home Depot and bought some muriatic acid, the stuff you use on concrete. I took one of the MoGTrolls and dipped it into the muriatic acid. The acid turned into goo. I poored some on the sidewalk outside, and it quickly melted the ice. Unfortunately, it also completely removed the top inch of concrete. The city had to replace the sidewalk. I got the bill last week. I hate MoGTrolls.
I decided to kill them all and throw them in the garbage. Do you have any idea how HARD it is to kill a MoGTroll? They're worse than cockroaches! You can drop a load of bricks on them, squish them flatter than a penny after the train's gone over it, and next morning they're back at it again, spitting, being mean, and just looking butt-ugly as usual.
So I tried to have a garage sale. I TRIED to make them look half-way decent, but MoGTrolls are like SCO stock - no amount of lipstick will make that pig look good. Not only did I not sell a single MoGTroll; the police gave me a fine for disturbing the peace. All the kids in the neighbourhood are having nightmares, and the school has to have a psychologist on staff full-time to deal with all the trauma that being exposed to a whole herd of MoGTrolls can cause in young minds. I hate MoGTrolls.
I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It's still there. Then I had one wet gibbering MoGTroll, 1 acid-stained MoGTroll, and 248 dry MoGTrolls, and one blocked toilet. The MoGTroll won't come out of the toilet. I don't mean its stuck in it - it R
Re:Shame (Score:3, Funny)
I wish I had mod points today - you'd be worth more than Gates (in points anyway).
Laughed like hell.
Re:Shame (Score:3, Insightful)
overnight ? It's been two years since the SCO farce began and, in the beginning, Groklaw was just another little weblog run by someone with an interest in Open Source and a paralegal background.
And PJ is not a 'leading "expert"' on Open Source, her expertise is in interpreting legalese into
probably a good idea.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:probably a good idea.... (Score:3, Insightful)
A posting to one of O'Gara's sites, along with SYS-CON, the parent of LinuxWorld Magazine, which unfortunately pays O'Gara for her spewings even though they don't pay the editors and authors for their magazines, lists all kinds of personal information about Jones including...
Re:probably a good idea.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Nothing against you personally, willCode4Beer.com, but it really puzzles me sometimes why people can be so adamant on the "don't burn bridges" line. It was interesting to read this article [slashdot.org] a day or so ago and see various posts going "ohgodohgodohgod whateveryoudoDON'T BURN YOUR BRIDGES!!!" (actuall
Some background (Score:3, Informative)
DictionarySearch 0.6.3 and Maureen (Score:3, Funny)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=maureen%
Re:DictionarySearch 0.6.3 and Maureen (Score:4, Funny)
LinuxWorld Magazine (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:LinuxWorld Magazine (Score:2, Informative)
Point Two: No one on the LinuxWorld editorial staff is paid, its all volunteer because they love Linux.
O'Gara Needs to Go (Score:5, Interesting)
So, Pamela Jones could perhaps be a 61-year old Jehovah's Witness who lives in a not so nice apartment. What does that have to do with anything? O'Gara finishes the article hinting that perhaps it is all stolen identity, though she didn't present a news story that would lead you to that conclusion.
I spent the first 23 years of my life as a Jehovah's Witness. I do not believe I am scarred in anyway because of it. If anything, I think I have a lot more respect for my fellow human beings and in general have a deep desire to be a good person. Sure the methodology of learning about the religion is a bit like brainwashing, but they have their religious beliefs like most religions. They just are more strict about the belief and the punishment if one does constantly violates them. If you are going to have faith, I think most religious people would appreciate the JW's strictness.
Did the religion make me paranoid? No. Does it take a lot of your time? Yes, but if you are going to devote your life to being religious then it probably should take a lot of time. Personally I appreciated science too much to put so much faith in religion. I still believe that if any religion has it right though, it is probably the JW's. They read the bible and do what it says. They refuse to pick up arms against another human, they punish sinners through disfellowshipping (total cut off until they have repented of their sins), and they make worship the primary thing in their life not allowing anything else to come first. There are obviously more devoted JW's than others, but that is true of any religion.
So, after reading the crap that passes for journalism from O'Gara, I personally can't wait to see her unemployed. Perhaps she can go get a job at the National Inquirer.
Sys-Con isn't slashdotted. (Score:4, Informative)
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BMO
I love the smell of blog in the morning (Score:2)
Lowest tabloid trash.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think if I read this article on the site without looking at the other articles I might have though I was reading some of the lowest form of tabloid.
Re:Lowest tabloid trash.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Whether or not the story is actually about the PJ of Groklaw, MOG is stalking and trashing some private woman's life. It disgusts me.
Likely A Complete Fabrication (Score:5, Insightful)
It's barely possible that she investigated a Pamela Jones: the wrong one.
Re:Likely A Complete Fabrication (Score:3, Insightful)
1. When GROKLAW first started, it was basically a collection of court documents. PJ represented herself as a paralegal who had collected the documents because she was interested in the case and placed those documents on the internet because others were interested in the case.
What supports the paralegal position was that she obviously had access to PACER, and only a paralegal or equivalant would know where to get the documents. The implication that she was currently wo
Sekrit Identity (Score:3, Funny)
PJ's Take - Lets Move On - Dont Feed the Monkey (Score:5, Informative)
PJ's take lets move on:
Authored by: PJ on Sunday, May 08 2005 @ 10:45 AM EDT
I agree. The person who originally suggested you all
go and look used a Long Island, NY, IP address, and
guess where you-know-who lives?
If we make the above assumption, we may deduce that
this was done for one of the following reasons:
1. to get you guys mad so you would act like "extremists" so
MOG and the mob can attack you again;
2. to get me mad so I sue her for slander, thus revealing
where I really live;
3. to set me up for the next "suicide" -- over my
"distress"
over "losing" my privacy. I have had some, including one
ex SCO employee, suggest this latter scenario as being
plausible. It seems not everyone in Utah thinks the
"suicides" were suicides.
Just in case 3 is true, let me state for the record that I
couldn't care less what MOG thinks of me, even if what
she wrote were true. I also don't care what anyone else
thinks. I'm proud of who I am and the choices I've made
in my life. I don't even care if Groklaw came to an end
tomorrow. I have no ambition, never have, didn't do
Groklaw to become famous or rich, so I truly don't
care. I would never commit suicide over anything, because
I think it's wrong, and I surely wouldn't over anything MOG
wrote, for I hold her in the deepest disdain, when I'm not
laughing at her.
Re:PJ's Take - Lets Move On - Dont Feed the Monkey (Score:3, Informative)
The suicides referred to are those of Val Noorda Kreidel (daughter of technology entrepreneur and Canopy founder Ray Noorda) and Robert Penrose (Canopy Employee). See this blog [smallworks.com] entry for details and links.
Also:
http://sltrib.com/business/ci_2617160 [sltrib.com]
http://management.itmanagersjournal.com/print.pl?s id=05/03/28/071212 [itmanagersjournal.com]
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=143850&cid =12055828 [slashdot.org]
Re:Paranoia will destroy ya (Score:3, Interesting)
It's not paranoia if the really are out to get you, as O'Gara's "article" shows.
Re:Paranoia will destroy ya (Score:3, Interesting)
I read PJ and enjoy her analyses, and I bear her no ill will. Some of the things she puts into her writings have a paranoiac/persecuted edge that has struck me as a bit odd, though.
Now, there's no doubt that Maureen O'Gara has gone over the edge..
Re:Paranoia will destroy ya (Score:3, Insightful)
But at the same time - wouldn't that edge be warrented? PJ has been attacked personally before. This particular case is just another incident - though certainly an escalation over pervious attacks. Little wonder her nerves might be getting a bit raw.
You make a fair point - it'd be nice to see no indication that these att
redacted article (no addresses) (Score:5, Informative)
From the Google cache of the original page:http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:t5F0lsD5UW sJ:jdj.sys-con.com/read/83267.htm+read/83267.htm&h l=en&lr=&client=firefox&strip=1
Exclusive: Who Is 'PJ' Pamela Jones of Groklaw.Net?
Pamela Is A 61-Year-Old Jehovah's Witness Who Lives In A Shabby Genteel Garden Apartment In Hartsdale, New York
By: Maureen O'Gara
May 7, 2005 09:15 PM
A few weeks ago I went looking for the elusive harridan who supposedly writes the Groklaw blog about the SCO v IBM suit.
The now-famous opinion-shaping open source leader Pamela Jones, aka "PJ," doesn't give conventional face-to-face interviews. Never has, near as anyone knows. All communication is virtual. Only one person in the world has ever claimed to have met her - in the pressroom at LinuxWorld in Boston complete with a Pamela Jones badge - and described her as a fortyish reddish-blonde who giggled a lot. [address removed], NY[Photo: May 7, 2005 12:37 PM - [address removed], New York. The last known address of Pamela Jones, as the superintendent of the building calls it, Ms. Pam Jones.]
Oh yeah? Wonder what cold crème she uses.
Pamela Jones is a 61-year-old Jehovah's Witness who lives in a shabby genteel garden apartment in desperate need of an interior decorator on a heavily trafficked commercial road at [address removed], New York. [removed] is in Westchester and Westchester is IBM territory.
See, even though Groklaw treats cell phones like they were Kleenex and changes its unpublished numbers regularly, one number it left with a journalist led to this flat and - wouldn't you know it but - some calls from there had been placed to the courts in Utah and to the Canopy Group so obviously this just isn't any Pamela Jones.
Pamela has lived in apartment [removed] for 10 years at least, according to the super, who says he's watched people move in, have children, and the children marry and move away.
Now, this isn't your usual anonymous New York apartment. It's practically a self-contained village where the super goes for the old ladies' groceries when there's snow on the ground and people know each other's business.[Photo: May 7, 2005 12:41 PM - [address removed], New York. The last known address of Pamela Jones.]
But the super didn't know much about Pamela except that she had a computer, worked at home (maybe sometimes) for a lawyer, was "paranoid" - his word - and "sensitive to smells."
He remembered how he was cleaning paintbrushes one day and she came running down the stairs screaming "Fire."
She was also missing and had been for weeks.
Nobody there knew where she was.
She had up and disappeared one day, and the super was worried about her. He said her son had dropped by and he didn't know where she was, and that some strange man that "nobody knew," as the super described him, had tried to get into her apartment while she was gone - the Medeco lock she had had installed on her door - something nobody else in the complex seemed to feel a need for - was more expensive than the door. But, as it happened, the super said, she had just sent in her rent in an envelope postmarked Connecticut. Like an episode out of "Where in the World is Carmen San Diego," the trail led to [address removed], Connecticut, 24 miles away. Sure enough, parked in the driveway was Pamela's car, just as the super had described it, a dark gray '90s Japanese number with a bunch of Jehovah Witness pamphlets tossed on the backseat.
The woman at the house, Barbara Jones Sharnik, told a disjointed story. She didn't know Pamela, Pamela hated her, Pamela wasn't there, Pamela left her car there because it got bumped, Pamela left her car there because she left town, and so on.
Afterwards Barbara called the cops, and then the cops called the number we left with her and the cops said that she was Pamela
Re:redacted article (no addresses) (Score:4, Insightful)
As of today i am blacklisting all of O'Garas Advertisers in protest , that will allow me to stay informed and not fund this filth.
I suggest we all do the same
Personaly i dont care what Pamela Richards gets up to in her free time
She does alot of good work and has Ethics , and for that i respect her.
O'Gara ethics are on par with the Given reasons for the recent Iraqi conflict.
If i read a linux news site i want News on linux , I dont want to have to read tabloid grade personal attacks on individuals
O'Gara will continue to get press and fame over this and the only way we can send a message (as i see it) is to blacklist her sponsers and make that fact known to the sponsers.
Re:redacted article (no addresses) (Score:3, Insightful)
> stalking the woman
You presume that O'Gara has actually located PJ and not simply fabricated the whole thing.
Prejudice and intolerance (Score:4, Insightful)
I've read through a few issues of the Watchtower, and had decided that the only people who could find it interesting are people who want their opinions spoon-fed to them by an authority figure. So until now, for me, finding out that someone is a practicing Jehovah's Witness would have been an effective means of diminishing my respect for that person. Until now.
PJ has shown what kind of person she is through intelligent analysis, tireless research, and candid admissions of even the most minor error (of which there have been very few from what I've seen). She has demonstrated unimpeachable integrity, pursuing the facts wherever they might lead.
I find it amusing that my reaction was the opposite of what Maureen O'Gara intended. Instead of lessening my respect for PJ, Maureen's allegations (whether or not they are true) have made me realize the wrongness of my prejudice towards Jehovah's Witnesses.
I am grateful to have been reminded that one should judge people by getting to know them instead of by the categories they seem to fit. At least MOG's abandonment of integrity and common sense had one tiny positive effect. I'm sorry that this contribution to my education had to come at PJ's expense.
Best wishes, PJ.
Fair play (Score:4, Informative)
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SCO & private detectives behind it? (Score:5, Informative)
Editor's Note: Screed Attempts to Silence Voice Against SCO
http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/200505090092
Umm.... now who is funding this exactly? (Score:5, Insightful)
The article begins:
So, I wonder where she got the idea to "attack the person, not the argument".
A real gem is later:
Sentence fragments aside and obligatory "pot calling the kettle" comments aside, some "opinions" are back by evidence, at which point they become "arguments". Others remain merely the flatulence of mind.
Seriously guys, if someone's writing crap like that, she's clearly on a payroll. If you pretend to some sort of journalistic integrity, you don't work with them. The outcome of this can only be Mr. Turner's resignation; this is like the bouncer of a tittie bar writing the manager, threatening to quit because the girls are prostitutes. Who do you think is profiting from the arrangement?
Shameful (Score:3, Interesting)
P.
Advertisers (Score:5, Insightful)
Five Useless Maureen O'Gara pages (Score:3, Funny)
Lets do a 30 day boycott of any advertisers that fall within five pages of an article written by Ms. O'Gara.
Imagine the chaos this would cause....
Yea, I'll advertise in your magazine as long as I'm not within five pages of that woman!
I'm engaging in a personal boycott (Score:5, Interesting)
Date: May 9, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: boycott of your products due to SYS-CON
I'm writing to inform you I am engaging in a personal boycott of all your publications due to your affiliation Maureen O'Gara, who is
currently stalking the Groklaw author Pamela Jones.
O'Gara's most recent "article" consisted of personal information about Ms. Jones, including her home address and disparaging comments about
Ms. Jones' living conditions.
The article contained a number of offensive comments about the Jehovah Witnesses, under the guise of "accusing" Ms. Jones of being one.
I will not purchase any products or services from any firms who do business with SYS-CON while a paranoid, delusional pseudo journalist such as Maureen O'Gara remains on your payroll.
I am writing your advertisers to inform them of this decision, so they are aware that their use of your site for advertising purposes is
costing them business.
From: Michael Perone
To: *********
Date: May 9, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: boycott of your products due to SYS-CON
Michael Perone
Call me 650 292 1523
To: Michael Perone
Date: May 9, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: boycott of your products due to SYS-CON
I'm afraid I can't call you during the day today, as I am at work and need to keep my line available for client calls.
I have noting against Barracuda Networks aside from your advertising with a company that employs a stalker disguising herself as a journalist.
You can see a copy of the article in question at
http://www.clientservernews.com/ [clientservernews.com]
The above link does not contain the photographs of the home of Pamela Jones that ran in other online publications running the article.
So long as Maureen O'Gara is employed by SYS-CON, I will not purchase any products from any company that advertises on their sites or in their publications. If SYS-CON fires Maureen O'Gara or a company ceases advertising with SYS-CON sites and publications, then I would have no reason to avoid their products.
From: Michael Perone
To: ***********
Date: May 9, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: boycott of your products due to SYS-CON
We don't emplyy this person according to our records.
To: Michael Perone
Date: May 9, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: boycott of your products due to SYS-CON
I know you don't employ Maureen O'Gara, however, you advertise on web sites owned and operated by SYS-CON, who does employ her. So long as your advertisements run on SYS-CON owned sites, and Maureen O'Gara remains a SYS-CON employee, then I will not purchase your products.
This is nothing personal, I'm informing all of the companies that advertise on SYS-CON sites of the same thing.
Matthew Miller
If anyone is a "harridan".... (Score:5, Insightful)
I stopped looking at LW's web site long ago specifically because of MOG's poorly researched pieces and her bitter style. Why they allowed her to publish details of a journalist's personal life when it's entirely possible that there really were threats to that journalist's life is beyond me. Now, of course, if anything does happen to the woman (PJ or not) whose mother lives at that Connecticut address the cops there will certainly have something to say to MOG. And lawyers will be involved. What if publication of those addresses led to someone being killed?
PJ's articles stand on their own merit without regard to the age, gender, religion and lifestyle of the writer. MOG just can't stand it that she is constantly upstaged by someone who shows her to the world for the twit she is.
My response on Free Software Magazine (Score:5, Insightful)
I am upset. If you write quite a bit, you learn a rule: you must never, ever write when you are upset. In such a state, clarity simply goes and what you thought was a masterpiece in truth was in fact... a pile of incomprehensible, misspelled crap.
I am going to do it anyway. I shall add a disclaimer: I am going to publish this article "as is" - no spell check, no Dave guard which turns my atrocious English into... well, English.
I am deeply upset and saddened by O'Gara's article on Pamela Jones at GrokLaw. To the point that I am absolutely speechless. I mean it. I don't know what to say.
I don't share O'Gara's ways nor approach. She seem to hate Groklaw, and the secrecy around this web site. Hatred is not a nice nor constructive feeling; it doesn't help anybody, and in fact it often goes against you (as it's going against Maureen right now); unfortunately, we all experience it and we all act out our anger sometimes.
This "pill" is here for two reason. The first one, is to ask you to... to forgive Maureen O'Gara. What she did was vile; but it was out of frustration and anger. She is a human being; she has made a great mistake; and she will pay for it. I ask you to forgive her because she is unforgivable, and it is right now that we all have to take out the best of ourselves and feel that even the unforgivable is... well, forgivable.
The second, more important reason why I am writing this (dangerously) unedited "pill", is to ask the question: why is Maureen's article unforgivable? I asked this to myself. In a way, you can even see where she is coming from: there is this wonderful site which is helping the demolition of SCO's absurd case, and it seems unlikely that a single individual could possibly run it all on her own. It is also true that if Groklaw were run by a bunch of IBM's lawyers, well, it would loose at least some of its credibility. I think I have reasons to believe that this is exactly what Maureen wanted to find out. Again, then: why is Maureen's article unforgivable?
Because there is a chance (and for a lot of us that's a fat chance) that Groklaw is run by a wonderful 40 or 60 year old woman or man who is a Christian or a Jehovah's Witness or a Buddhist, who believes in what she does to the point that she is willing to put herself in a dangerous position by doing so. Yes, I said dangerous, and I mean dangerous. There is a (big) chance that Pamela is in fact a woman who lives her everyday life, has a job, does what she has to do, and runs Groklaw thanks to the support of the whole Free Software and Open Source Community.
This paragraph is for you, Maureen: if that were the case, Maureen, you hurt somebody beyond belief. You hurt somebody so much, that I can only hope you will never, ever find out quite how mad the damage was. Because if you did find out, you would never be able to forgive yourself.
Well, that's a big weight out of my chest. But I am not quite finished yet. I want to talk about myself for a minute.
I am an ex-cracker born in Italy and living in Australia. When I was 18 and 19, I cracked quite a few computers and nearly went to jail for it. My phones were tapped, and only an amazing series of coincidences saved me. I didn't go through a trial, but a lot of people around me did. I never destroyed a system, but I did read files I should have read. If one day I made somebody very powerful really angry, I can see how they would be able to dig in my past and find all sorts of things that I would find "embarrassing" at least, compromising at worst. They could pick on my past as a cracker, on my religion (I am a Buddhist), on the way I live my life (I don't shop and yet I am not stingy), or on another million things.
Maureen, this is another paragraph for you. I am sure you haven't been a cracker, but if I were to look very, very thoroughly into your l
Re:My response on Free Software Magazine (Score:3, Insightful)
> the demolition of SCO's absurd case, and it seems
> unlikely that a single individual could possibly
> run it all on her own.
She doesn't. It is no secret that many Groklaw members assist her.
Thing is, PJ *is* a little nuts. (Score:5, Insightful)
But she keeps publishing true shit. O'Gara can trash talk as long as she likes (I think Jehova's Witnesses are idiots too.) but that won't change whether PJ is providing timely factual information. Sure, she might be completely batty. Doesn't matter. She's batty and she's still more on top of it than Ms. O'Gara. Show us that she's a habitual liar (like... O'Gara) and then maybe she'll get less credit. Don't care if she's a religious nut.
Re:Thing is, PJ *is* a little nuts. (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, heaven forbid that someone on thier own website takes a side on the whole SCO issue.
Terrible!
Not paranoid if people really ARE stalking her (Score:4, Insightful)
Here is how you help. (Score:5, Insightful)
Make the connection that advertising on any Sys-Con related publication will lose your business. A hundred of these, and they will think twice.
I write for The Inq, and on a given story, I get ~5 letters out of 20K reads. If any advertisers get 100, they will sure as hell sit up and take notice. Spend the time, write up why you find MoG and Sys-Con so repulsive, and go from there. The more articulate you are, the more effect you will have.
Happy hunting, I have already pulled out the rolodex, and I have sent a few off to some choice individuals. If you know anyone, write them, if not, you can always look things up on the web site's contact or press info pages.
-Charlie
Re:Here is how you help. (Score:3, Informative)
David, thank you for your email.
Devon IT has received many emails regarding the articles written by
Maureen O'Gara, editor-in-chief of Maureen O'Gara's LinuxGram. We have
reviewed and voiced our concerns regarding the editorial content of her
recent article, "Who Is 'PJ' Pamela Jones of Groklaw.Net?" directly to
SYS-CON. We have encouraged them to stop distributing articles which
contain personal attacks and private in
A few words about Ms O'Gara's article (Score:5, Interesting)
I do not know whether the "facts" alleged in Ms. O'Gara's article are correct or not, and whether or not she (or whoever supplied her the information) is describing the correct PJ or not.
For the sake of argument, in this post, I will assume that Ms. O'Gara is describing the correct PJ (if she did not, that makes her O'Gara's article even worse in my view).
If you boil down Ms. O'Gara's article to the essentials the "facts" alleged about PJ are this:
1. Ms. O'Gara doesn't like PJ's residence
2. Ms. O'Gara doesn't like PJ's car
3. Ms. O'Gara doesn't like the locks on PJ's apartment (Ms O'Gara then criticises PJ for these locks, but then goes on to also criticise PJ for having strange men apparently trying to break into her apartment - rather an odd and self-contradictory position don't you think?)
4. Ms. O'Gara alleges that PJ has been involved in business with her son.
5. Ms. O'Gara alleges that PJ has a fear of being stalked, and criticizes her for this (at the same time PJ tells us that PJ is being pursued if not stalked by Ms. O'Gara herself, as well as two strange men apparently trying to break into PJ's apartment - again, another odd and self-contradictory position, don't you think?)
6. Ms. O'Gara says PJ is older than Ms. O'Gara thought. (Well more fool you O'Gara, PJ never claimed to be any particular age, so who cares what O'Gara thought PJ's age was?)
7. Ms. O'Gara implies criticism of PJ's religious affiliation. (so what? Who cares what PJ's religion is)
8. Ms. O'Gara notes that PJ lives within a few miles of IBM's headquarters (without mentioning so do about a million or more other people too)
9. Ms O'Gara alleges that PJ has a brother with an expensive apartment.
10. Ms O'Gara says she questioned PJ's mother and didn't get clear answers. (So what?). I'd also point out that if PJ is 61, then PJ's mother must be in her 80s or 90s
Well, none of the above, have anything at all to do with the validity or otherwise of PJ's writing. PJ's writing stands for itself, and everybody should judge it on that basis.
The majority of the above, when striped of implied criticism are not particularly unusual - and not one is divergent with any fact that PJ has told us about herself.
The attack on PJ's age, car, religion, housing and brother, are purely gratutious personal attacks. All play to the lowest common denominator and people's prejudice. I really do not care what O'Gara thinks of PJ's car or house.
The self-contradictions in O'Gara's article abound, some of which are noted above.
I note that somebody else on Slashdot has alleged that O'Gara's information comes from SCO's private detectives seeking PJ. I do not know if this allegation is true or not.
I would note however the following:
1. In January 2003, O'Gara published an article about SCO's plans to monetize their IP allegedly in Linux. This was two months before SCO sued IBM. This was six months before SCO announced their Linux IP licensing program. This was long before SCO had made any public statements about their plans for licensing Linux, or alleged infringements in Linux. So where did O'Gara get this information from?
2. On September 18th O'Gara published an article claiming that SCO would sue IBM for a fraud claim, in Monterey, by putting SVR4 code (as opposed to SVR3 code) into AIX5L. [Maureen O'Gara misnames the UNIX versions in her article).
At the time that this was written, the only court document that mentioned fraud, and the AIX 5L was *sealed*, SCO's supplemental memorandum on discovery. This was filed with the court, without permission apparently in August, and properly filed on 13 September 2004.
We have not seen this document, but we know that it exists, because IBM's reply memo has recently been unseale
MOG Uncovers Securities Law Violation (Score:3, Interesting)
1. In January 2003, O'Gara published an article about SCO's plans to monetize their IP allegedly in Linux. This was two months before SCO sued IBM. This was six months before SCO announced their Linux IP licensing program. This was long before SCO had made any public statements about their plans for licensing Linux, or alleged infringements in Linux. So where did O'Gara get this information from?
Securities laws prohibit purchases and sales of securities on the basis of material non-pub
Mod parent up, and some comments (Score:3, Informative)
It occurs to me that if O'Gara really is a sock puppet for SCO, that would certainly explain the venom toward PJ and Groklaw in her articles...
Re:A few words about Ms O'Gara's article (Score:3, Funny)
However, less than one month later, O'Gara did.
So, has anyone ever actually seen these two characters in the same room at the same time?
You'll Like This Bit (Score:5, Interesting)
After the "bozo sues open source" story last week from O'Gara, I sent an email to SugarCRM, whose ad was running next to the story. For those not in the know, SugarCRM is an open source CRM suite that is highly regarded in the CRM market. I figured they might like to know that they were advertising in a journal that is constantly attacking open source while claiming to be about "Linux Business News".
Well, their marketing person got back to me and said they don't run ads on Linux Business News - only with Sys-con's LinuxWorld site.
So I wrote back explaining that I just checked and the ad was right there, and described the ad.
She got back to me saying that they didn't even KNOW the ad was running on that site, as they only had a contract with Sys-con to run on LinuxWorld - and she would be checking their ad rep at Sys-con about it.
So it looks like Linux Business News is running ads unbeknownst to the companies involved (either that or SugarCRM never understood their contract). I find that somewhat bizarre. Is there some business benefit to LBN running ads without the knowledge of the companies involved?
Smells like fraud Re:You'll Like This Bit (Score:3, Insightful)
Absolutely! Most advertisers request a minimum number of impressions for a placed AD. Putting an AD on multiple sites will increase the number of impressions.
Is SYS-Con defrauding advertisers*
* unfounded and unresearched claim (C) MOG 2005
PJ is 61 (Score:3, Funny)
I guess Linux is ready for grandma.
Pull an Opera. (Score:3, Funny)
Kewl - a Palindrome! (Score:3, Funny)
OGARA GO
On being a sock puppet hoist by their own petard (Score:4, Funny)
If I had been Maureen O'Gara, if I had found out this "truth" about PJ, I'd have backed away very quietly and carefully and not said a thing about what I found. It's bad enough when Darl is fuming and venting because he think some IBM front ruined his SCOsource venture with their fronted website.
Now Darl has to admit that he got bested by a single Jehovah's Witness who had hit beat on both active neuron count and morals....
got text? (Score:2)
Got fulltext? Link is nuked, and I'd rather not give them my ad revenue.
Re:got text? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Link to the offending article... (Score:5, Insightful)
They get paid by the viewer. The more viewers the better. This is why a lot of web news is no better than tabloid journalism, it brings in the page views.
Better that we all go cold turky on all sys-con links for a week or two.
Re:Link to the offending article... (Score:3, Informative)
sys-con.com
linuxworld.com
linuxbusinessnews.
linuxbusinessweek.com
java-buyerguide.com
And various sub-domains of these. These will be added to my
Re:Link to the offending article... (Score:3, Informative)
as much text as I could get... (Score:5, Informative)
The now-famous opinion-shaping open source leader Pamela Jones, aka "PJ," doesn't give conventional face-to-face interviews. Never has, near as anyone knows. All communication is virtual. Only one person in the world has ever claimed to have met her - in the pressroom at LinuxWorld in Boston complete with a Pamela Jones badge - and described her as a fortyish reddish-blonde who giggled a lot.
304 North Central Avenue, Hardsdale, NY[Photo: May 7, 2005 12:37 PM - 304 North Central Avenue, Hartsdale, New York. The last known address of Pamela Jones, as the superintendent of the building calls it, Ms. Pam Jones.]
Oh yeah? Wonder what cold crème she uses.
Pamela Jones is a 61-year-old Jehovah's Witness who lives in a shabby genteel garden apartment in desperate need of an interior decorator on a heavily trafficked commercial road at 304 North Central Avenue in Hartsdale, New York. Hartsdale is in Westchester and Westchester is IBM territory.
See, even though Groklaw treats cell phones like they were Kleenex and changes its unpublished numbers regularly, one number it left with a journalist led to this flat and - wouldn't you know it but - some calls from there had been placed to the courts in Utah and to the Canopy Group so obviously this just isn't any Pamela Jones.
Pamela has lived in apartment 1A for 10 years at least, according to the super, who says he's watched people move in, have children, and the children marry and move away.
Now, this isn't your usual anonymous New York apartment. It's practically a self-contained village where the super goes for the old ladies' groceries when there's snow on the ground and people know each other's business.
[Photo: May 7, 2005 12:41 PM - 304 North Central Avenue, Hartsdale, New York. The last known address of Pamela Jones.]
But the super didn't know much about Pamela except that she had a computer, worked at home (maybe sometimes) for a lawyer, was "paranoid" - his word - and "sensitive to smells."
He remembered how he was cleaning paintbrushes one day and she came running down the stairs screaming "Fire."
She was also missing and had been for weeks.
Nobody there knew where she was.
She had up and disappeared one day, and the super was worried about her. He said her son had dropped by and he didn't know where she was, and that some strange man that "nobody knew," as the super described him, had tried to get into her apartment while she was gone - the Medeco lock she had had installed on her door - something nobody else in the complex seemed to feel a need for - was more expensive than the door. But, as it happened, the super said, she had just sent in her rent in an envelope postmarked Connecticut.
Like an episode out of "Where in the World is Carmen San Diego," the trail led to 10 Bittersweet Trail in Norwalk, Connecticut, 24 miles away. Sure enough, parked in the driveway was Pamela's car, just as the super had described it, a dark gray '90s Japanese number with a bunch of Jehovah Witness pamphlets tossed on the backseat.
The woman at the house, Barbara Jones Sharnik, told a disjointed story. She didn't know Pamela, Pamela hated her, Pamela wasn't there, Pamela left her car there because it got bumped, Pamela left her car there because she left town, and so on.
Afterwards Barbara called the cops, and then the cops called the number we left with her and the cops said that she was Pamela's mother and that Pamela was on the run and had shacked up with her mother because she had gotten "threatening mail" weeks before and that she had just gotten spooked again because "people were getting hurt around [my] stories" and had lighted out for Canada.
[Photo: May 7, 2005 2:24 PM - 10 Bittersweet Trail in Norwalk, Connecticut. Mom's house, where PJ's car was last seen on this driveway.]
Odd, the subject of my stories - or any
Fantastic! (Score:4, Insightful)
First, thanks for doing that, I assume you showered afterward.
Second, this actually a very good thing. Previously, whenever people would claim she wasn't professional, it sounded mildly of whining and an ad hominem attack intended to discredit the reporter. Even though the claims were probably true.
Now, one need only point to this article, which is absolute filth, and clearly betrays something substantially beyond bias.
Re:Fantastic! (Score:2)
Re:as much text as I could get... (Score:2)
Re:as much text as I could get... (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's a good bit too:
Wow, nice bit of research there Maureen. You found the key to the whole mistery that is PJ... Pulease! I have known several JW's in my life time, and just like any other religion, some feel like it is their whole life, and others feel that they can best help the church by living a good life and bein an example to others.Re:as much text as I could get... (Score:3, Funny)
Dear Ms. O'Gara,
Thank you for your words and letting us know that PJ is not simply paranoid and that they are out to get her.
I'm sure PJ appreciates your kind support in this matter.
KFG
Re:Link to the offending article... (Score:5, Insightful)
Use the Google cache [64.233.161.104] of the article instead.
The article's sources (Score:3, Insightful)
Perhaps someone should have a gentle word with this individual not to be quite so open when discussing the affairs of the tenants. After all, a portion of their rent money is used to employ him, and I'm reasonably certain that no part of his job description includes making private details about h
Re:The article's sources (Score:4, Interesting)
> employed a private detective to investigate
> Pamela Jones.
It seems much more likely that O'Gara made the whole thing up. There is no reason to believe that a single word of it is true.
Similar case for Clear Channel Radio (Score:5, Interesting)
WHAS Radio (and Clear Channel Entertainment) fired [64.233.161.104] John Ziegler a few years ago because of similar personal attacks against a fellow "personality".
Up until that point, his talk-show was the highest rated program in the market, and he was getting a pass on a lot of his attitute because he did bring in the advertising money.
But he also went too far, and ultimately got punished for it.
So, here's how we help get rid of Ms. O'Gara:
Check the local bookstores and supermarket magazine racks. For any company that carries this magazine - write them a letter of COMPLAIN about Ms. O'Gara.
Re:Similar case for Clear Channel Radio (Score:3, Informative)
I'd say give them a bit of time to decide between O'Gara and integrity.
I thinknhe got it just right (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Blog?? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Blog?? (Score:5, Insightful)
I think he's just trying to protect his professional reputation by stating, openly and publically, that he is challenging LinuxWorld on this issue. That's quite brave, but if they do "call his bluff" and let him go, his reputation will be intact... he stated an ultimatum in public, they refused. Much better than giving the ultimatum in private, being pushed out and then loads of rubbish being wrote about why he'd left.
I'd definitely interview him... (Score:5, Insightful)
Agreed, and it's definitely working. I don't even know him, but if I was running a company in his line of business I'd bump his resume' near the top based on that alone.
Taking a principled stand against O'Gara's over-the-top shill work and credibility that rivals only the Weekly World News [weeklyworldnews.com], I've wondered just why the heck LinuxWorld hasn't dumped her years ago.
Number of hits, you say? That's eating your seed corn. Short term hits at the expense of long term credibility isn't a good survival strategy in today's flood of Web-based alternatives.
Re:Blog?? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Blog?? (Score:3, Insightful)
This bold move on the part of the Senior Editor in question makes his ultimatum quite clear to his employer and at the same time makes his ultimatum something clearly in the public space. By doing so, we will very clearly know why he or the alleggedly offensive reporter (I have never read any of her work.) changes em
Re:Blog?? (Score:3, Interesting)
Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Blog?? (Score:4, Insightful)
The big problem with the Maureen O'Gara articles is while she has no affiliation with LinuxWorld, all of the Sys-Con Linux subject articles from other publications show up on the LinuxWorld website, giving readers the impression she writes for LinuxWorld. Every time O'Gara writes an article, not only do the Linuxworld editors get all upset that her crap is showing up on their website, they receive a boatload of nasty email that assume they ok'd it!
Why don't the editors just do something about it? Well, in the new world of "journalism", Sys-con central decides what goes on the websites, and the magazine editors only have a say over what goes in the print version.
Technical magazines never used to pay much for articles-- when I was writing articles $750 was average, but I'd spend weeks working on it. Now there's so many people still out of work they'll work for free just to keep a foot in the tech. industry somehow.
Hi, Maureen (Score:2, Funny)
Re:misuse of the word hack (Score:4, Insightful)
It's been a popular term amongst journalists for quite a while now to refer to a talentless writer.
Re:misuse of the word hack (Score:5, Informative)
From a dictionary [reference.com]:
Those silly "common people"...
Re:Doesn't LinuxWorld have a mediocre track record (Score:2)
Cheers.
Re:A little background? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:A little background? (Score:2)
Re:A little background? (Score:5, Insightful)
Does it add anything about SCO vs. IBM? About how Groklaw works? About the relationship of Groklaw to the parties involved in the lawsuits? No, no, and no.
Those points might be newsworthy. This story doesn't touch though. This story is not news. It's an offensive invasion of privacy.
Steven
The invasion is the news. (Score:4, Insightful)
So, the "story" is how a pro-SCO "journalist" digs up the phone records of someone running a different web site.
And how that "journalist" posts the address (with pictures?) of the other person's home.
And tracks down someone who may be the other person's mom.
And the police get involved.
This is a HUGE story not only for the invasion, but for the implications it carries for anyone who comes out against SCO.
Re:Holy Cow!!! (Score:2)
Re:Holy Cow!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Newspapers would be very boring indeed if all they contained were hard facts. Some informed opinion is what turns a dry list of times & events into something worth reading, and worth thinking about.
Re:Holy Cow!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
See, in a democracy (or even in a republic), when the government violates the law, the people need to know so they can decide whether it's time to change governments. When an individual criminal violates the law...well, it's still news, but it doesn't have the same level of import and urgency.
Re:Read a little deeper (Score:4, Insightful)
They were working for the government, therefore they were the government.
Re:Holy Cow!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact that, to you, the immigration status of a murderer (or an accused murderer - I'm not familiar with the case, so have no idea if a verdict has been handed down) seems to be of greater import than their mental state, or possibly even guilt, leads me to suspect that you believe that this appalling individual act should have been reported more widely to draw attention to what you maybe perceive as a wider problem with illegal immigrants. Sadly, that simply suggests you have a fundamental problem figuring out what facts are relevant, and makes me glad that it's not you in charge of editorial policy on a major international newspaper.
Don't click it! (Score:4, Informative)
-Charlie
Re:Our response to Linuxworld should be (Score:3, Informative)
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