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Copy-protected CD Tops U.S. Charts

CowboyNeal posted more than 10 years ago | from the pay-to-play dept.

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Joey Patterson writes "CNET is reporting that Velvet Revolver's new album, 'Contraband', which is protected with SunnComm's anti-copying technology, has topped the U.S. album charts. The SunnComm and BMG execs quoted in the article say that they're pleased with the apparent consumer acceptance of the anti-piracy technology, but they have been hearing questions about how people can get the copy-blocked songs from the CD onto an iPod."

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right... (0, Redundant)

m3rr (669531) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459952)

the music swapping types are bound to find a way around this one, im sure

Re:right... (3, Funny)

Milo of Kroton (780850) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459998)

Yes. It is by called "Line In." I have a cd [amazon.de] entire copied with Line In. Lead cable from CD player into the input port. Records it, and compress. This not the heavy pirates stops, just people with the iPods.

Re:right... (5, Interesting)

Samlind1 (667119) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460006)

Yep, just checked and found 104 files from this album.

Seems to have slowed down the pirates by .06 seconds.

Re:right... (5, Funny)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460051)

To be fair, it DID require them to hit the shift key... That's probably why it slowed them down a full .06 seconds!

Re:right... (2, Insightful)

halowolf (692775) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460025)

Such as pressing the Shift Key... But I won't say that, that was said in the article...

What amused me was this line "The companies say they have long been aware of the work-around but that they were not trying to create an unhackable protection."

I suppose that if they only stop the lowest common denominator from doing the unauthorized copying its good enough for them.

However the handling of the iPod issue leaves something to be desired...

Re:right... (1)

DashEvil (645963) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460042)

Yea, uh, yeah.

It's called EAC. I seriously didn't even realize that it was copy protected.

Re:right... (5, Informative)

tiptone (729456) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460044)

running Fedora Core 2, gnome-cd wouldn't play it and grip couldn't rip it. though XMMS played it just fine using the CD Audio Player 1.2.10 [libcaudio.so], and XMMS does have a Disk Writer Plugin sooooo i think that's pretty much copy-protection broken with no new software needed.

This is TRIVIAL to bypass (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460055)

The CD isn't really protected in any way.

According to the article [com.com] , it has anti-copying software (read: spyware) that installs automatically using Windows Autoplay if you insert the CD into your Windows PC, but the CD isn't otherwise protected.

So if you have Autoplay turned off, or use Linux or a Mac, or simply hold down Shift [com.com] while you insert the CD, you can rip the files fine. This workaround has been known since last October, when the SunnComm copy "protection" system was first introduced.

Re:right... (1)

eightball01 (646950) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460074)

Considering I have the entire album in mp3 format since the day it came out, I'd say it already happened.

But.. (-1, Redundant)

hookedup (630460) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459956)

How many people buying the CD really have <i>any</i> idea that it's copy-protected?

Re:But.. (2, Insightful)

wacko1138 (730161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459976)

Yeah, to really prove how much people prefer copy-protected CDs they should sell two versions, one with and one without and then they can show the world that people prefer the ease of just buying multiple copies.

Re:But.. (5, Informative)

zors (665805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459977)

RTFA. There is a sticker on the CD that its copy protected.

Re:But.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9459996)

about as noticable as the explicit lyrics stickers i bet

About that warning sticker... (2, Informative)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460081)

Pros: the sticker's big, shiny, and eye-catching.
Cons: it's in the tiniest type I've ever seen.

Re:But.. (1)

hookedup (630460) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460013)

i figure people will still buy it, until they realize exactly what it means..

Re:But.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460065)

Is the sticker like the parental advisory sticker, and part of the artwork, or is it stuck over the packaging?

If it's the former, then it's an incredibly tiny label/a. [amazon.com]

Re:But.. (1)

Nogami_Saeko (466595) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460021)

I regularly import protected CDs made by Avex and others in Japan. I don't know what the heck they're protecting them with, but my CDRW doesn't even SEE the protection much less have problems ripping the tracks.

I can copy them to my MP3 player without any difficulty, so they can count the CD as "protected" for their sales stats if they so desire, but they're deluding themselves if they think it's stopping playback-shifting.

N.

Re:But.. (1)

dammitallgoodnamesgo (631946) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460053)

Avex use Cactus. This has the bonus of that the player application dosen't seem to support double-byte characters, so if I can't read a kanji I can just check the romaji in the DVD-ROM part. My DVD player usually can't play track 01, but my PS2 and optical-in fix that...

Re:But.. (4, Interesting)

miracle69 (34841) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460113)

Exactly.

I purchased this album at the store. I asked the girl behind the counter if I could bring the CD back if it didn't play in my car. She said I could.

I bought it, it played in my car, and Grip had no problems archiving it for me. Dunno what the copy protection is, but it works GREAT!!!

Re:But.. (2, Interesting)

eidolons (708050) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460072)

Exactly. There are of course many people who still live within an exlusive disc-media world and other "physical" media, and haven't even bridged that gap into the purely "digital" divide.

It's therefore a bit premature for record labels to celebrate mainstream "acceptance" of these horrid anti-copying devices, when the mainstream still doesn't give a hoot as they don't know / don't care / know specifically what that entails or how it infringes on their rights.

Mp3's are generally still a college level / nerd / for-the-privalaged medium with expensive doo-hickey devices to play them - Ipod costs $250 - $300 for crying out loud! - you can buy a CD-Player for $10 at Walmart, Target, or Radio Shack.

Copy protection is the kind of thing that will be slaughtered once MP3's become more actual mainstream. Then let's see about such "acceptance". The whole point of MP3s is the flawless and svelte transfer from one medium to another, without the junk of big goofy disks to carry around. The magic word is "transfer". We have the right to transfer and convert the content to any medium we wish. Once people become aware of the possibility of such freedom, they're really going to get as pissy as the rest of us and to hell with "mainstream acceptance".

Doesn't mean people are happy with it... (5, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459958)

It's quite probably just a case where not many people have discovered that they've been screwed-over just yet...

The anger will come soon...

Re:Doesn't mean people are happy with it... (4, Interesting)

Scoria (264473) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460005)

The anger will come soon...

Oh, but that's all right! None of the prevalent vendors permit CDs that have been opened to be returned. You could've duplicated it, after all, or extracted the tracks.

Furthermore, if the average eleven-year-old girl (who isn't at all interested in copy protection) fails to purchase the most recent pop CD, she could very well be committing "social suicide."

What is more important to an eleven-year-old girl, DRM or her social status?

Re:Doesn't mean people are happy with it... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460048)

What is more important to an eleven-year-old girl, DRM or her social status?


Neither; hiding the fact she's pregnant by the black buck down the steet is most important to her.

funny (3, Insightful)

ericdano (113424) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459959)

Funny, I thought I saw this on BitTorrent already.....

Re:funny (1)

eamber (121675) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460060)

Yeah. I downloaded it from the newsgroups a couple of weeks ago.

Re:funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460089)

Must be a slow news day AGAIN on slashdot

Re:funny (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460092)

You certainly did [isohunt.com] ...

Re:funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460133)

You mean somewhere like here [66.90.75.92] ?

What shits me... (4, Interesting)

professorhojo (686761) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459961)

... is that in their attempts to create a CD that fits their aims, the record companies have tried many methods of corrupting the CD format, and then they have tested these by making secret releases into localized markets, sometimes of hundreds of thousands of CDs. Everyday people have then bought these sub-standard CDs, and have been unknowingly testing the record company's new CD protection schemes for them.

For instance, an early release made under Midbar's Cactus format in Germany reportedly had a 4% return rate. These were from people who found that these CDs didn't work on their normal CD players -- let alone in their computers. 4% is a huge return rate when you consider that many people might have found a problem with one CD player but not another, and who might have thought it was the player that was at fault rather than the CD.

Undeterred by these experiences of upsetting their customers, the record companies have continued to develop these formats and test them on an unsuspecting public, either unlabelled or with small or misleading labels. Along the way, problems with these CDs have been found on DVD players, car audio systems, older CD players, PlayStation machines, computers, laptops and several other types of devices.

To add injury to insult, several of these so-called 'copy-protection' formats actually interfere with the error-correction mechanism of the disk. This mechanism is designed to take care of scratches on the disk -- your CD player can fill in over a small number of scratches on the disk because the error correction codes tell it how to. The manufacturers found that by corrupting the error correction codes, they could make a CD that computers would reject, but that normal CD players would still manage to play. The cost of this, of course, is that your CDs are less resistant to scratches (and Philips have confirmed [ukcdr.org] this). This is not too much inconvenience for the manufacturer -- but what about for you?

Re:What shits me... (5, Insightful)

Thiago Ize (730287) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460118)

The cost of this, of course, is that your CDs are less resistant to scratches
Sounds like a great idea! Now the RIAA not only has cured the world of evil piracy, but the sale of CDs has trippled as everyone now has to purchase the same CD every 3 months to replace their scratched CDs! Brilliant!

Oops! (4, Insightful)

LocoSpitz (175100) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459962)

They seem to have confused acceptance with ignorance.

Re:Oops! (4, Insightful)

The Famous Brett Wat (12688) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460123)

They seem to have confused acceptance with ignorance.

One will do as well as the other, so far as they are concerned.

gnaa fails it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9459963)


How to get the songs onto iPod (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9459966)

This is only for owners of the new CD. All others will be sodomized by a big helicopter

Step 1. Go Here [newzbin.com]

Step 2. Connect to the newsgroup of your choice.

Step 3. Download the music for the CD that you own.

Since you can't do this via legal means you clearly will have to do it via this somewhat legel method.

Re:How to get the songs onto iPod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460037)

Since you can't do this via legal means you clearly will have to do it via this somewhat legel method.

Is that like the difference between "cream" and "creme"?

customer: "Whoa, is this LEGAL??"

salesman: "Actually, it's rich creamy legel. Just as moral, but with half the calories. Your lawyer can't tell the difference!"

Re:How to get the songs onto iPod (0)

strictnein (318940) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460082)

oops... legal even, not legel

Re:How to get the songs onto iPod (1)

strictnein (318940) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460104)

double oops... good thing I posted as AC originally... oh well

Re:How to get the songs onto iPod (Better way) (2, Insightful)

cocoa moe (530541) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460141)

Don't buy the CD from the store, but go straight to the iTunes-MusicStore the album is there. (As you might probably know: Now you can listen to it on your iPod or burn a CD or listen to it on all your five computers.) http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/ viewAlbum?playlistId=14131660 Oh and yes, it's also available in the european stores.

Hilarious (1, Interesting)

Eric(b0mb)Dennis (629047) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459967)

Considering a few days ago a friend suggest velvet revolver to me, sending me 3-4 songs from their new album to me over DC++, needless to say, I didn't like them very much and propmptly deleted the music files (within 24 hours i assure you!)

Velvet who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9459970)

I've never heard of this "chart topping" band.

I guess I'm getting old.

Re:Velvet who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460033)

It's Scott Weiland, formerly of Stone Temple Pilots, with three former members of Guns 'N' Roses.

I couldn't stand any of their previous bands, so I doubt I will be listening to this one.

low tech way (3, Interesting)

novalogic (697144) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459972)

simple. have a home audio system with a fiber audio out, and have a nice sound card with fiber in, and make MP3s over it. Won't get the static or line noise of the copper, although I'm sure your dog can tell the different between this method and a direct CDA rip....

Re:low tech way (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460045)

Simpler, I have found alcohol 120% can copy these CDs to harddisk fine, and the "backups" can be ripped to MP3s, Alcohol 120% Software [cd-rw.org]

Now you can buy them, copy, then return them because they don't play on your computer/CD player.

Awww, crud. (1, Funny)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459974)

Here comes the brigade of people complaning that they should have used the generic "Portable MP3 player" rather than "iPod" [slashdot.org] ...

Re:Awww, crud. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460024)

Aww crud, here comes more trolls.

This could be a good thing (5, Interesting)

gcaseye6677 (694805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459978)

Obviously a lot of people have bought this album, and no doubt a lot of people will want to transfer songs to an iPod or other player and will find out the hard way that they can't. This will get the public's attention on the issue of copy protected CDs. I suspect that most people will not buy another one, having been burned once before. If these prove to be unpopular enough in the long run, they will probably not be sold anymore. Hopefully, there will be a future story about a band's album having very disappointing sales due to copy protection.

works fine (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9459979)

I wasn't able to rip it on my OSX box, but it ripped just fine on my linux box. Maybe it's because it's a different drive, but it works just fine.

I should put it up on bittorrent just to spite them, fuckers.

Re:works fine (2, Interesting)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460117)

Huh, that's weird. My iBook G4 ripped it in no time flat.

What ripper were you using?

SunnComm (5, Funny)

Professor_Quail (610443) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459980)

Isn't this the same company who sued a Princeton student after he figured out that pressing the shift key defeated their copyright 'protection'?

Besides, it's probably F9 or something this time.

Re:SunnComm (1)

dammitallgoodnamesgo (631946) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459988)

From the article, it's the exact same copy protection system....

Re:SunnComm (3, Insightful)

keefey (571438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460059)

The shift-key thing stops auto-play on Windows machines, which is how he got past it. If he hadn't, it comes up with a message saying "an upgrade needs to be installed" (because it's illegal to install software automatically without the user knowing). Pressing cancel to this also bypasses the "protection".

The company in question has moved onto a slightly more complicated version, which requires a physical crack for consecutive reads, but it's still very simple to break.

Just wait till you read the article (5, Interesting)

achurch (201270) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460095)

To wit:
As in earlier tests by BMG and SunnComm, the copy protection on the Velvet Revolver disc can be simply disabled by pushing the "Shift" key on a computer while the CD is loading, which blocks the SunnComm software from being installed. The companies say they have long been aware of the work-around but that they were not trying to create an unhackable protection.

Okay, I'm completely boggled now . . . what exactly are they're trying to accomplish?

How to get album onto iPod (5, Insightful)

Snowspinner (627098) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459981)

Go to iTunes music store.

Buy album.

Put on iPod.

On a less pithy note, would it be that hard for EMI to make an agreement with Apple such that, if you have the CD in the drive, you can buy the iTunes version for free? Or you could always package the album with a certificate code that can be used to buy the album for free on iTunes. Both of those seem like relatively easy solutions.

And, finally, on an inquisitive note, does this software also install on OS X? Or is this a Windows only gimping?

Re:How to get album onto iPod (0, Troll)

keefey (571438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460084)

But wouldn;t that be anti-competitive for other companies that sell on-line music, such as Napster?

and it doesn't work at all (2, Insightful)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459982)

A quick search on sharazea shows the entire album is easily downloadable. when will the record companies realize that if only one person can convert it to an mp3, it will become available on every sharing network out there.

so basically, if you can listen to it, it will be on p2p, get used to that RIAA!!!

Side effects? (1)

IANAL(BIAILS) (726712) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459983)

I wonder how long it will be until consumers start reporting that their CD won't play in their CD players, computer, car, etc.

On another note, I didn't know that Velvet Revolver is made of alumni from Stone Temple Pilots and Guns N' Roses. I guess it does pay to RTFA :P

Funny... (-1, Troll)

Nameles (122260) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459985)

I had a digital copy of the album a week before it was released...

Re:Funny... (5, Funny)

iliketrash (624051) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460085)

I had it three days before they started recording it.

How to get it onto an iPod... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9459989)

iTunes Music Store [apple.com]

Re:How to get it onto an iPod... (0, Troll)

dnahelix (598670) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460068)

+5 Informative

It's not acceptance... (1)

Sebby (238625) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459990)

it's ignorance.

Re:It's not acceptance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460070)

it's ignorance.

" Only Americans would moderate the truth as 'Troll' or 'Flamebait' " -Anonymous

Speaking of ignorance & truth, you would know that what you're saying isn't true if you had bothered to read the article.

Re:It's not acceptance... (-1, Offtopic)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460115)

Then why do I get moderated down when I say negative things about the EU? It's not just American's.

Protection and iTunes/iPods (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9459993)

I use a Mac and purchased the album. No problem encoding to AAC with iTunes or transferring to an ipod. Wouldn't have even known it was copy protected without this posting.

Re:Protection and iTunes/iPods (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460086)

That's because this "copy protection" is just a Windows program that automatically runs when you put it in the computer.

So it does nothing on the Mac.

Windows owners with iPods can just hold down Shift when inserting the CD, then proceed as usual.

this is annoying... ohh wait, its the RIAA. duhh (1, Offtopic)

emorphien (770500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9459997)

This is becoming normal to me. Anything associated with the RIAA is officially defective. Is this the Suncomm software that could be bypassed by pressing shift (or turning of autorun)?

I've yet to find a CD I couldn't rip and put on my MP3 player, and the day I find one is the day I keep returning them as defective until the store runs out of stock. The music Nazis won't ruin my completely legal fun!

Re:this is annoying... ohh wait, its the RIAA. duh (1)

emorphien (770500) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460067)

Of should be off. Didn't see that when I checked for spelling. oopsie

Another band to... (1)

LochNess (239443) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460000)

I was going to say 'boycott', but it appears to already be too late for that.

Legal Circumvention (1)

QuantumSpritz (703080) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460001)

If you want the songs on your computer, download them from iTunes (or other legal service of choice), use hymn (or semi-legal equivalent of choice), and then listen or convert as you please. Or, use Bittorrent. Or DC. Or Shareaza. Or ____. Amazing how inventive the discerning music consumer/pirate can be. :P

Velvet_Revolver-Contraband-2004-RNS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460003)

Well, what do you know, the copy protection didn't stop the pirates... and it was released 7 days pre retail. RELEASE DATE: 2004-06-08 RIP DATE: 2004-06-01

Not surprising... (4, Insightful)

big_groo (237634) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460004)

This album by Velvet Revolver is actually a much anticapated album -- former members of GNR and the Stone Temple Pilots. Not really surprising that it's #1. People don't really care that the album is copy protected.

Hell, I'll go buy this one. These guys make good music. Plain and simple. Go pimp your 'the people want copy protection' somewhere else. People want decent music. This band delivers.

Re:Not surprising... (2, Insightful)

DavittJPotter (160113) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460043)

And that's why this shit will succeed. "Oh, well, today this cause doesn't jive with my personal views, so never mind."

I was a huge GnR fan back in the day, as well as STP. I won't be buying this album, however, as it's not a REAL CD by the established standard.

As much as I'd like to have all the songs, if more of us 'drew the line' somewhere, we'd have our voices heard.

Acquiescing to the RIAA just reinforces their silly little business model.

Put it on an iPod? (2, Insightful)

betasaur (12453) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460007)

Uh, buy it on iTunes for $9.99?

Re:Put it on an iPod? (3, Insightful)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460114)

Yep, it's right there on the iTMS. I can't say that the music excites me, though.

I wonder if any of the labels have asked Apple *not* to provide samples of all the songs on a given album. I mean, I listened to a couple of these songs' snippets, and, gee, it's really nothing to write home about. I wonder how many of the people who have bought the physical CD got a chance to listen to it, and how many people who didn't listen to it were disappointed when they got it home...

Great quotes... (5, Insightful)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460020)

As in earlier tests by BMG and SunnComm, the copy protection on the Velvet Revolver disc can be simply disabled by pushing the "Shift" key on a computer while the CD is loading, which blocks the SunnComm software from being installed. The companies say they have long been aware of the work-around but that they were not trying to create an unhackable protection.

If the point is to make people unable to rip the music and you allow a backdoor 'knowingly' then why even bother in the first place?

"We are actively working with Apple to provide a long-term solution to this issue," a posting on SunnComm's Web site reads. "We encourage you to provide feedback to Apple, requesting they implement a solution that will enable the iPod to support other secure music formats."

Dear Apple,

Please support the latest copy-protection scheme from my favourite recording label, BMG and their current subsidiary, SunComm. Also, please compile in support for the different methods for every single other copy protection scheme espoused by every other label on every other album at Best Buy.

Also, please be prepared to update these codecs as the record labels see fit or the iPod and iTunes may no longer be compatible in an effort to keep ahead of nefarious CD pirates.

Also, please CC: this message to anybody else you know that makes CD player apps (Nullsoft, Microsoft, Roxio, Sony, etc, etc ,etc).

Finally, please forget about that old 'Redbook' standard for CDs. That is old and should be cast off upon a pile of 8-Tracks, Divx discs, and CSS.

Thanks for your time.

Love, Tom

To be fair... (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460143)

I've used CDs in the past that iTunes for Mac OS X (then 4.0) crashed while ripping. I restarted to Mac OS 9 and was able to rip them without difficulty.

So just to be fair, iTunes being unable to rip a CD doesn't necessarily mean the CD is too badly "protected" (i.e. corrupted) to rip. There has been and may still be a crasher somewhere in the bowels of iTunes MP3 encoder.

That said, yeah, it's probably the copy protection.

"Contraband" (5, Funny)

skraps (650379) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460029)

I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere.

Don't forget Usenet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460030)

The entire album is on the following newsgroups:

alt.binaries.mp3
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3
alt.b inaries.sounds.mp3.2000s
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3. complete_cd
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.full_albums
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.heavy-metal
alt.binaries. sounds.mp3.rock.full-album
alt.binaries.sounds.mp 3.secular
alt.binaries.sounds.lossless (in APE format)
alt.binaries.sounds.aac (in AAC format)

And, why I have no idea:

alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.french

Easy to bypass (5, Interesting)

keefey (571438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460032)

I've not yet found a single CD which has been copy protected that cannot be bypassed easily. I wish they'd just learn that these systems which try trickery on the laser head (so that head bounces around the disc if you try to do a consecutive read) is simple to get past.

The last one I had that required "cracking" (although it hardly warrants the term) was bypassed using the sticky bit of a post-it note (I won't say exactly where it was stuck for fear that I'll have the legal eagles coming down on me, as it were).

I find it more of an inconvenience than a reason not to buy a particular artists CDs (although I've never heard of these chart-toppers).

The CD medium, as it stands now, just cannot support the kind of copy protection they want to put in place, simply because they have to cater for "dumb" machines, such as the typical CD player. It would be more frugal if they just didn't bother.

Contraband (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460038)

Contraband..... pretty apt name considering the copy protection on the CD.

Statistics: 90% made up; 100% misinterperated (5, Insightful)

SnprBoB86 (576143) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460039)

You can't make up the fact that the album in #1 right now, but is the recording industry saying "if people did not accept the copy protection then the sales would be lower"? Did it ever occur to them that maybe it is just a really good album and that the people buying it are people who don't steal music anyways?

From what I understand, most people who used to buy CDs from before Mp3s were popular STILL DO. Sales are up aren't they? I personally never used to buy CDs. I would just listen to the radio. Mp3s are convienient because they are commercial free and I can play DJ, but if they didn't exist I would be listening to the radio and not buying albums. Most people I speak to feel the same way.

I copied it. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460047)

For a windows system you just need to disable the auto-start for your CD player. I then converted the music files to .WAVs and use that to 'copy' the CD.

iPod (1)

zors (665805) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460049)

If people really want to use it on an ipod, why dont they just get it off iTMS? If youre using an ipod, you are a lot more likely to use music mostly in a digital format.

It's probably what i'll end up doing.

Personally, i think this is sort of a shitty thing to have happen, but its not totally unreasonable. Its available in a different format and it not damaging to consumer's computers. If you don't like it, dont buy it, but i dont think this is on the level of some of the worse things the industry has done or considered doing.

Actually, it's pretty easy to get this on an iPod. (1)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460058)

Use a Mac to rip it, or buy it from iTunes.

On one hand, I'm pissed that I had to jump through hoops to get the CD on my PC.

On the other hand, it's a damn good album.

Quite a dilemma....

Anyway, it's got DRM'd WMA files, but those didn't really interest me much. WMA's not a bad codec, but the Mac version sucks, and I need the files to work well on my PC and Mac.

Re:Actually, it's pretty easy to get this on an iP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460094)

On one hand, I'm pissed that I had to jump through hoops to get the CD on my PC.
And on the other hand, you had to hold down the shift key?

Re:Actually, it's pretty easy to get this on an iP (1)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460135)

Tried that.. didn't work. I could've eventually found some workaround, but at that point, it seemed easier to just copy the files over. (Of course, given the dismal state of SMB in OS X, I'm lucky it didn't turn into a bigger hassle.)

I praise my Mac in one post and take a jab at OS X in another... I'm gonna piss off damn near everyone, aren't I? ;)

Re:Actually, it's pretty easy to get this on an iP (1)

keefey (571438) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460112)

I thought this kind of copy protection screwed up Macs? Wasn't there a case where several people had to take their iMacs back to the shop because Natalie Imbruglia's White Lillies Island completely disabled the drive? God, just imagine having that trash stuck in your computer permanently...

Can EAC copy it? (2, Interesting)

Tommy_S (580744) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460061)

I've transferred my entire CD collection to mp3 with Exact Audio Copy. Approximately 200 CDs nearly all of which are collecting dust in my basement, the rest are in my car. I don't even have a CD player connected to my stereo, well actually I do - the CD drive in the computer thats connected to the stereo. Anyhow, this Velvet Revolver CD is one I've been thinking about buying but if I can't turn it into mp3 files then I really doubt I want to bother with it. I'm guessing though that the software I use for that, Exact Audio Copy (and LAME), probably wouldn't have a problem. Does anybody know for sure?

From the article (1, Redundant)

other_things_to_do (449881) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460066)

As in earlier tests by BMG and SunnComm, the copy protection on the Velvet Revolver disc can be simply disabled by pushing the "Shift" key on a computer while the CD is loading, which blocks the SunnComm software from being installed. The companies say they have long been aware of the work-around but that they were not trying to create an unhackable protection.

WHO? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460078)

Actually, who cares!

Mp3's have been shared already. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460087)

I recall quite distinctly, when riding along with a friend a couple of weekends ago, he playing this particular CD on his in-dash MP3 player from a cd he'd burned with MP3's that he had downloaded. He also told me, that at the time, the CD was as yet unreleased.

Oh well, that's some effective prevention they have there.

money grab (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460088)

To me, Velvet Revolver is what's wrong with the music industry today. Let me see, what were two popular bands of the past? GnR and STP. I wonder... let's throw ex-members of those bands together, record a bunch of their crap and shove it down people's throats. Genius!

err.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460099)

like was said earlier, just plug your stereo into your pc's line in, and record a wav file.. convert to mp3. or get the voice recorder attachment for ipod, butcher it so it is no longer a microphone but a line in, and away you go... (based on the assumption you can record long enough.. have never used it)

Hacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460103)

As in earlier tests by BMG and SunnComm, the copy protection on the Velvet Revolver disc can be simply disabled by pushing the "Shift" key on a computer while the CD is loading, which blocks the SunnComm software from being installed. The companies say they have long been aware of the work-around but that they were not trying to create an unhackable protection.

(From the CNet article)

The shift key is now "hacking". There we go, folks.

What's the point? (2, Funny)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460108)

So then what the hell is the point of copy-protecting CD-ripping when you can just get the whole thing off bittorrent.... because someone else loaded it from iTunes and re-encoded it back onto the internet??!?!?!?!?!?!

What the heck is the point of the copy protection system anyway, considering this fact?

I guess the moral of this story is, if you can come up with some fancy crypto security technology you can sell it to companies with too much money and too many PHBs. Even if it doesn't really solve the big issue, it will let them sleep well at night.

I'm pretty sure I'd suck as a saleman.

Does it stop LInux? (1)

Liquiddarknessvi (758831) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460111)

Does the protection stop linux machines or is it not saftware? In Canada we do not have access to iTunes (becasue we are legally allowed to share music and old Jobs doesent think it is worth the effort) Even though we can share music in Canada I would buy it off the music store. If only it worked with Linux.

Its interesting.... (1)

machocomacho (760106) | more than 10 years ago | (#9460127)

I found it pretty funny that people still buy music. Why waste your money when food, shelter, and sex need to be procured?

I was able to rip to MP3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460132)

I bought the CD and immediately ripped the CD to MP3 without any problems (for my personal use in my MP3 player). I didn't even know it was copy-protected until I read this thread. I guess SunnComm's copy-protection is doing a bang-up job.

Exact Audio Copy with LAME works like a charm!

Obligatory sd thread regarding copyprotected CDs (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460134)

Is a copyprotected CD still a CD?

Copy what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9460136)

Who would want to copy that crap anyway?
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