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Matrix Gets Egyptian Ban For Explicit Religion

simoniker posted more than 11 years ago | from the whoa dept.

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pajor writes "BBC News is reporting that that The Matrix Reloaded has been banned in Egypt. The country's censorship board cited violence which might 'harm social peace', but also said the 'religious themes' of the film's storyline, about the search for the creator and control of the human race, may cause 'crises'. A statement said: 'Despite the high technology and fabulous effects of the movie, it explicitly handles the issue of existence and creation, which are related to the three divine religions, which we all respect and believe in.'"

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1362 comments

How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoze (-1, Troll)

Michael's a Jerk! (668185) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179526)

Hi,

I've always used Windowz and I consider myself an exceptional Visual
Basic programmer, so I know computers pretty good. In fact I got an A-
in my programming class last term. But I'm a little wary of how much
power Microsoft has in the computer field. Many of my friends use
RedHat and I've recently installed it on my machine at home. Although
I haven't had as much chance to play with it as I'd like, I've been
greatly impressed.

This weekend I gave some thoughts to the things that are wrong with
Linux. I hope no one minds having some flaws pointed out. I'd like to
help make RedHat stronger so it can conquer MS. Hopefully RedHat will
hear this (crossing fingers) and address these. I think with a little
effort, RedHat's Linux can defeat Microsoft's Windows! :)

To begin with, there are too many different flavors of RedHat.
Browsing a list on Amazon, I saw they made varients under the
codenames of Mandrake, Debian and Slackware, just to name a few. I
know that I'm very new to RedHat so maybe this is obvious but it seems
like RedHat should just sell a few different flavors of its operating
system. Perhaps one for the desktop and one for a server? Could
someone explain why RedHat produces dozens of different versions of Linux?

Secondly did you know that anyone can view the source code to Linux! I
think that RedHat shouldn't make its code available. After all, what
keeps Microsoft from stealing RedHat's ideas and putting it into
Windows? My friend says that FreeBSD stole the TCP/IP stack from DOS a
long time ago and Microsoft is always looking for revenge for that.
Plus it seems to me like RedHat is just giving away its ideas for
free. And what keeps hackers or terrorists from tampering with the
code and putting a virus in every computer?

On a related note, why doesn't RedHat write Linux in assembly? My
friend says that's what Microsoft does for Windows, and that's why
Windows is faster and more stable than Linux.

Next RedHat definitely should kill -9 (ha, ha!) the command line.
Microsoft finally gave up DOS when Windows 2000 came out. I'm suprised
that RedHat hasn't migrated away from...whatever its version of DOS is
called (Bash, I think?) But maybe this is planned for a futurerelease?
Finally Linux needs games! RedHat will never be successful in the home
without games. They should also tell M$ to release a version of Office
for Linux too. And Internet Explorer!

Have a nice day! Go Linux!!

Re:How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoz (-1, Offtopic)

kamukwam (652361) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179528)

this has nothing to do with the subject!

Re:How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoz (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179541)

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Re:How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoz (0, Offtopic)

kamukwam (652361) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179582)

What does that mean?

Re:How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179613)

You have been trolled. You have lost. Have a nice day.

Re:How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoz (0, Offtopic)

kamukwam (652361) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179633)

Thank you very much! Have a nice day!

Re:How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoz (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179573)

this has nothing to do with the subject! ...which would be why it's modded offtopic. Sonetimes the moderation system actually does work. shrug.

Re:How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoz (1)

kamukwam (652361) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179593)

On the other hand, they did use a Linux console in the Matrix....

I agree (0, Offtopic)

joerg (55054) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179652)

I agree. The above post is completely off-topic! The moderators should do something about it!

All the niggers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179527)

Should go back to Africa

Heh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179534)

I suppose The Mummy was banned for the same reason...

well... (-1, Offtopic)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179538)

its obviously they are just dancing around the real reasoning behind the ban. dancing like egyptians.

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179572)

Thats actually, Walking Like Egyptians.

The Bengels must be rolling in their graves right now.

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179576)

You can take that and shovel it!

Re:well... (1)

borgdows (599861) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179591)

actually it is : The Bangles - Walk like an egyptian

Perhaps the censor can explain... (5, Funny)

Goonie (8651) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179540)

the scene with the Architect, then. Obviously he understands well enough to ban the thing... :)

Re:Can someone please explain to me..? (2, Interesting)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179577)

I dont understand how people can not 'get' the scene with the architect. Perhaps you are attempting to read into it too much? Here's a hint: he says everything straightforward. There is no obfuscation whatsoever, nothing needs to be interpreted, the whole thing is 100% just plain flat-out said. You know, with words.
So can someone please explain to me what it is they dont understand, and how they are capable of not understanding it?
I suspect that a lot of "questions about the scene with with architect" are actually just "questions about the movie in general, which everyone already had or had developed their own theories for, which the architect raised but didnt answer, so that you'll go see the third movie, not because you just can't understand his obfuscated answers"

Re:Can someone please explain to me..? (4, Funny)

bananahammock (595781) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179612)

Thanks mate. Now I donâ(TM)t understand the architect and you.

Re:Can someone please explain to me..? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179671)

I can't even tell where the fsck I am now

Need help choosing a computer (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179542)

I need some help choosing a new computer, a computer which will match my "lifestyle".

First, a few facts about me,

  • 26 years old
  • Gay
  • Effeminate
  • "bareback rider"
  • HIV positive
  • San Francisco resident
  • love quiche, brie, and croissants.
  • Streisand's biggest fan
What kind of computer should I buy? Would Apple Mac be a good choice?

Re:Need help choosing a computer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179564)

An apple would be perfect for you. I suggest you erase OSX, and install FreeBSD.

Re:Need help choosing a computer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179587)

go with the mac, they've all got fruit for a logo - it'll fit your style.

So? (5, Insightful)

ConsumedByTV (243497) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179544)

Are they actually saying that someone inducing thought into their culture from the west might cause an uproar?

*Gasp*

That questioning the truth is a bad thing?

Re:So? (-1, Flamebait)

paja (610441) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179668)

Actually in long term the answer is Yes, because they do not want any west influence - thats the same like christians 600 hundred yrs. ago. Thats the offset between christian and moslem religions. So You have to wait something like 300 hundred years to get moslem religion to some civilized state. (if it will evolve the some way like christian one).

The uproar would be built from the top to cut off any possible influence and will be organized by the same people who banned this movie. Like all the people in the Cuba waving the flags and glorifying Fidel...

--
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Re:So? (5, Funny)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179695)

Thats the offset between christian and moslem religions. So You have to wait something like 300 hundred years to get moslem religion to some civilized state

Shouldn't that be at least 300 years, since you can't put a definite number on it until Christianity becomes civilized?

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179669)

This happens a lot in a number of different ways. France (among other) stands against an invasion of Iraq and gets ostracised by the US.

So apparently questioining is a bad thing. Depends who you ask...

Re:So? (4, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179676)

Please, don't call "The Truth" whatever is discussed in the Matrix : you've got your perception of the reality whereas Egyptians may have theirs.

They are living not far from Israel who did take some of their territories during the 1967 war they actually started (the E., not the I.).

For this reason, we can understand that Joe-6-amphorae (the average Egyptian) doesn't want to see a movie which describes the fear Zion people are living in.

Cocnerning the many religious aspects of the movie, I'd rather describe these as some uninspired mysticism.

As I am not trolling (I hate these times when one must explicitely say he's not trolling) I now expect anybody who doesn't agree with these points to discuss these with me, instead of modbombing me to oblivion.

wow... (5, Funny)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179545)

I think now how well Bruce Almighty will fare in Egypt just became one of the most curious questions I have about the movie industry.

Or, heck, Dogma... (though they might like that one b/c they think it's making fun of the catholics)

YOU can make a difference! (-1)

I Hate America (662232) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179546)

Donate to The Egyptian Organization for Human rights [eohr.org.eg] .

These poor, repressed people. Something must be done!

Note to humor impaired moderators: Move along, nothing to read here.

Re:YOU can make a difference! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179611)

How about an organization that helps the repressed people of the United States and stop flagrent violantions of human rights both within and outside their borders? .. These includes genocide, muder, rape and hollocast (tell that to the 100's of thousands of japanese they nuked.. not once but twice).

And How Do the People Feel? (4, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179548)

And how do the Egyptain people feel about having this decision made for them by others?

Funny how that question never seems to be asked, or answered, in these articles.

You know, if the Kingdom of God and Heaven could be brought down by a movie, we'd of been standing in the shards of it long since.

Re:And How Do the People Feel? (4, Insightful)

neksys (87486) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179596)

Well, thats what governments do -- they make decisions for the citizenry based on percieved need. You forget that in many parts of the world, religion is intrinsic to everyday life -- the Church in many cases is the State. Religion is hugely important to most of the middle east... I daresay nearly as important as the "war on terror" is to the United States, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the US government would intervene if a movie were to be released in the country showed terrorism in a positive light. Its all a question of cultural values. How do you feel that your government won't let you make "How to destroy government buildings for dummies"?

Re:And How Do the People Feel? (4, Interesting)

gilroy (155262) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179637)

Blockquoth the poster:

you can bet your bottom dollar that the US government would intervene if a movie were to be released in the country showed terrorism in a positive light

You know, I'm fairly out there on the cynical limb right now, but I don't think this is true. They might want to ban something that affected national security -- say, detailed classified info on Secret Service procedures -- but they wouldn't try to stop a pro-terrorist message. For now, at least, free speech is respected.


Which is irrelevant, of course, because Media, Inc. would never dream of inconveniencing its masters with such a film. It would never get made because the sheep would bleat too loudly. The American public, informed or not, would likely avoid such a movie; its prospects for profit would be small; and Hollywood would not back that horse.


Which raises the question (a la Matrix): What good is freedom of speech, if no one is saying anything?

Re:And How Do the People Feel? (4, Interesting)

neksys (87486) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179691)

You know, I'm fairly out there on the cynical limb right now, but I don't think this is true. They might want to ban something that affected national security -- say, detailed classified info on Secret Service procedures -- but they wouldn't try to stop a pro-terrorist message. For now, at least, free speech is respected.

I see your point, and to some extent I agree -- however, our hold on free speech is becoming increasingly tenuous. After having seen first-hand websites with vaguely anti-american, pro-terrorism sentiments be shut down under the PATRIOT act and associated "homeland defense" laws, I'm having an increasingly difficult time trusting the US government to "respect" the average citizen's right to free speech.

Re:And How Do the People Feel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179604)

Probably same way we felt when Bush got elected.

Re:And How Do the People Feel? (2, Insightful)

den_erpel (140080) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179635)

Wether or not they are egyptians, we have decisions about content made for us by others who think they can decide "for the greater good" of all. Us westerers should stop looking down on other civilisations, we have it too as this article [slashdot.org] clearly shows. Germans can't see Nazis, Australians can't see red blood and Americans freak on the sight of sex.

I can understand the caution of the film board in Egypt, after all, they don't want to see another Karnak massacre by some bunch of extremists, backed by a number of news papers (which will deny all responsibility of course).

Avoiding extremist religious fanatics is hard as it is, so why wait until people get killed? In this case, I guess it is a small price to pay, ...

Re:And How Do the People Feel? (1)

devious (9195) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179702)

indeed, as the quote says :
'which we all respect and believe in.' sounds quite interesting to me.

Re:And How Do the People Feel? (1)

LordNightwalker (256873) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179712)

Same thing happens in the US as well... Remember the South Park movie? The original title was "South Park: Al Hell Breaks Loose" or something along those lines, untill the FCC or whatever censorship committee it was that was in charge at that time decided it was not cool to use the word "hell" in a cartoon movie. So Matt and Trey had to change the title to "South Park - Bigger, Longer, Uncut". The censorship committee apparently didn't understand the hidden meaning in this; that realy gave me a kick...

But back to the subject now: same thing happens in the US too; movie scripts etc... have to be changed because some old yokels in much too expensive suits decide that we, the common populace, will turn into foul mouthed homicidal maniacs overnight after watching some violence and dirty language. Just listen how many times you'll hear the word "fuck" on MTV.

Heck, on an even larger scale: I dare you to publicly state that you don't believe in the holocaust. Even that is forbidden, worldwide. And why? I mean, I wasn't there, I wouldn't know, but if I had some reason to believe it's all a big conspiracy I'd expect to be looked upon as a crazy goof with strange ideas, but I don't expect to land in jail just because I believe something different than the rest of you.

ps: no, I'm not a negationist; this is just an example of censorship on a global scale. Now bug off, you frecking FBI goons in your black army helicopters!

Wow (3, Insightful)

CptChipJew (301983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179550)

"The press launched a campaign to stop showing the movie, saying that it reflects Zionist ideas, and promotes Jewish and Zionist beliefs."

I think that quote speaks for itself.

Re:Wow (5, Interesting)

$carab (464226) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179617)

Umm....I realize the Islamic press has a tendency to describe everything from America as Zionist...but in this case...

You realize that the movie portrays the "last hope of humanity" as a city known as Zion, whose inhabitants are the result of a gradual migration and represent the forces of good, besieged by the forces of evil that surround them.

So yeah, I can see how it could be viewed as promoting Zionist beliefs.

Re:Wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179659)

The movie promotes Zionist beliefs. The point he is making is that Egypt's government is openly antisemitic.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179703)

Antizionist != antisemitic

Fuck Israel

's all right, they're not missing anything (nt) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179555)

nt I said, nt dammit! (stupid slash)

Yeah, within a virtual system (1)

brucmack (572780) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179558)

The Matrix handles issues of creation and existence inside a computer. How is this threatening to real-world religion? Are we expected to think that a movie about virtual reality threatens religion? Yes, it makes parallels to real religion, but honestly... either they didn't think this through very well or there's something else behind it.

Re:Yeah, within a virtual system (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179694)

Have you not noticed that everyone who sees The Matrix is a philosopher for a day?
They normally would laugh at the thought of reading Descartes, Plato, Baudrillard, Nietzsche, etc, but when they see the pop-culture, hollow corpse of the afore-mentioned writers works, they are automatically philosophers.
If you think too much you probably wouldn't buy anything I was selling without at least close inspection.
Don't you get it? Have a Sprite*, be "original"?

*Or whatever soft drink is being crammed down your throat every commercial break and marketed as "original".

Sort of went off track with this, but I feel it applies to religion as well.

My religion (5, Funny)

Gorny (622040) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179559)

"..which are related to the three divine religions, which we all respect and believe in.." There is only one religion... and it's prophet is called Morpheus, it's Messiah Neo.

Unfortunatly (1, Insightful)

Martigan80 (305400) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179561)

This is what happens when religion is mixed with government. Their government is totally different from ours in the sense of a strong religious background that is the foundation of law making.

Plus it's a good way to keep you religion in power. Besides have one Islamic based government (Saudi Arabia) out law cellular phones with cameras?

Re:Unfortunatly (1, Flamebait)

ConsumedByTV (243497) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179579)

Their government is totally different from ours in the sense of a strong religious background that is the foundation of law making.

So you don't live in america?

Because our morality and legal system certianly has it's roots with christ.

Re:Unfortunatly (1)

chabotc (22496) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179618)

Heh, with the current reagon like rethorics like "Axis of evil" and "good vs. bad", i would say the US is currently very religiously tinted in it's foreign politics.

If only the law could be so simple and black&white: It's illegal to be 'evil'

owell, gbj knows what these religious leaders know as well, it's easier to tell people what to do and think using religious statements then with logic

Come to think of it, gbj's war on 'Evil'.. does that constitute a 'holy war' ? ;-)

Re:Unfortunatly (1)

Martigan80 (305400) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179638)

Your right, it_was_based on Christianity, now you can't pray in school, why is that?
We always here of arguments about separation of Church and State, why is that? Are our senators as religious as their governmental leaders?
No Egyptâ(TM)s government officials are more religious than our government system combined.

Re:Unfortunatly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179661)

Because our morality and legal system certianly has it's roots with christ.

Bull$#!^

You should read this. [amazon.com]

Re:Unfortunatly (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179622)

Perhaps you have not heard the national anthem(U.S.) lately? "One nation, under god" was added by the dominant religion in the 40's. The founders tried to insert some distinct seperation of church and state, but when 70% of the population is indoctrinated by one religion from an early age, what hope is there for impartiality?

Re:Unfortunatly (2, Informative)

citog (206365) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179674)

The mobile phone with camera issue is touchy in a lot of places, including Saudi Arabia - the concept of privacy is involved. It's accented in Saudi because the people are particularly sensitive about having their photo taken without their permission. It is considered a strong violation of privacy. No different from places, in the West for example, that have banned mobile phones in locations such as gyms. On the grounds they may have these cameras that are not immediately obvious.

Egypt banned by the matrix for explicit religion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179562)

the egyptians are too stupid to understand that it's only a movie

Overanalyzed Much? (4, Insightful)

Chromodromic (668389) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179565)

All this proves is how global our community has become ... and how Egypt can be just as susceptible to a bunch of overhype about pseudo-philosophy in a movie as a bunch of AintItCool.com readers ...

"Matrix Reloaded" has as much to do with philosophy and religion as my dog's yawns. There are so many already well documented gaping holes and problems with the Matrix universe, that to read a search for God into this extremely Hollywood-ish movie--Keanu Reeves is our new Messiah? spare me--is only indicative of the starvation for spiritual themes that our culture is undergoing. It's like seeing God on the back of a cereal box--or getting God as the prize at the bottom.

Which would suck, because the coolest thing I ever got was a propeller-helicopter toy that got stuck on the roof. Bummer. What kind of a Neo would let a little boy down?

Well, there's one thing about the new religion, and I don't know if it's cool or not ... but at least the new Messiah can have hot monkey love with Carrie Anne Moss ...

Re:Overanalyzed Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179624)

"Matrix Reloaded" has as much to do with philosophy and religion as my dog's yawns


No, no -- Philosophy is the talk on the cereal box, religion is the smile on a dog.

Re:Overanalyzed Much? (0, Troll)

karma-whoring (666930) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179629)

"coolest thing I ever got was a propeller-helicopter toy"

You must understand that there is no toy.

Re:Overanalyzed Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179656)

"or getting God as the prize at the bottom. Which would suck, because the coolest thing I ever got was a propeller-helicopter toy that got stuck on the roof."

Welcome brother, to the fundamentalist frisbeetarian movement. While your doctrine departs from our fundamental belief that when you die your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck, we consider your revalation about god being stuck on the roof as well, to be divinely inspired. You are hereby granted sainthood. Enjoy.

(sorry old joke)

Re:Overanalyzed Much? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179682)

Pseudo-philosophy? Riiiiight. Just because it raises issues that are well covered in philosphy, doesn't change the fact that it is philosophy [corporatemofo.com] . Saying it isn't philosophy, when it clearly covers philosophical ideas, is like calling a text book on Platos allegory of the cave, or determinism as is the case with reloaded, psuedo philosophy because, shock horror, it covers theories that have been well thought out and covered in the past. Perhaps you should actually go out and see the movie instead of regurgitating the opinions of the various film critics who didn't understand the movie, unless you live in Egypt of course.

Logical Soundness is not the issue here (1)

btakita (620031) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179718)

The Egyptian scholars already "know" that the Matrix isn't logically sound.

The Matrix doesn't need to be logically sound to encourage people to think outside their box and question things.

Maybe that's what they are afraid of.

Then again, a cult could be started. They have been inspired from lesser circumstances.

Congratulations Egypt (2, Interesting)

Syncdata (596941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179567)

You're the single silliest example of constrictive Theocracy in action.
The matrix is banned because it questions your main sponsored religion/s? Keanu Reeves is a percieved threat to your rule?
The matrix is about action. The philosophy aspect of it is not at all complex. If your political system can be overthrown by Keanu Reeves, one of two statements are true.
#1: Your citizens are weakminded, foolish, and easily swayed.
#2: Your hold on power is tenuous, and you cannot handle the slightest challenge to your authority.
.
My money is on #2.

Re:Congratulations Egypt (5, Funny)

demonbug (309515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179584)

Keanu Reeves is a percieved threat to your rule?


whoah.

Re:Congratulations Egypt (2, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179620)

one of two statements are true.
#1: Your citizens are weakminded, foolish, and easily swayed.
#2: Your hold on power is tenuous, and you cannot handle the slightest challenge to your authority.
My money is on #2.

I wouldn't be so quick to rule out #1. After all, they have allowed the government to be put in place over them that fears #2.

Re:Congratulations Egypt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179698)

Hehe. You know, your comments seem on the surface as silly responses, made just to humor us. But in deeper introspect they actually have a LOT of Truth in there for us all to hear.

Keanu Reeves is a percieved threat to your rule? Man that is so good!

wow... (0)

demonbug (309515) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179568)

Egypt appears to be one country that prefers the typical hollywood fluff-type movie. Am I imagining things, or does the article basically say that the movie is being banned because it discusses interesting issues?

No... (0)

neksys (87486) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179642)

its being banned because it directly questions some of the religious values upon which the entire theocratic government is built, which is, of course, seen as a threat to their power -- if the Matrix causes the average Egyptian to question the existence of God (doubtful, but I suppose conceivable), then the perceived Divine Right to Leadership enjoyed by the government is destroyed. No government wants that.

Hm? (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179569)

'Despite the high technology and fabulous effects of the movie, it explicitly handles the issue of existence and creation, which are related to the three divine religions, which we all respect and believe in.'

Which three divine religions would those be? I'm pretty sure I don't believe in any of the ones they have in mind.

Now, if that included the Jedi religion, I might be wrong...

Re:Hm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179586)

I'd say Jedi, Eris and Kali =:)

Excuse me, BUT What 3 Religions? (0, Flamebait)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179580)

it explicitly handles the issue of existence and creation, which are related to the three divine religions, which we all respect and believe in.

Excuse me, BUT can anybody name the three religions that all Egyptains respect and believe? Last time I counted there was only one, and it was out to exterminate the rest of them.

Re:Excuse me, BUT What 3 Religions? (1)

ffsnjb (238634) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179625)

If one can read and understand the Qu`ran, which any Islamist CAN NOT, they would know that Jews and Christians are to be respected as 'people of the book.' Since Islamists are FUCKING RETARDED and can't read, they don't know this. Besides, Islam would not exist without Judaism.

Yet they like to kill each other...

Re:Excuse me, BUT What 3 Religions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179628)

Judaism, Christianity (primarily Coptic Orthodox in Egypt) and Islam.

And that's pretty much a reverse order of acceptance in the Middle East...

Re:Excuse me, BUT What 3 Religions? (1)

bedouin (248624) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179630)

Last time I counted there was only one, and it was out to exterminate the rest of them.

I don't understand, you mean they have the 700 club in Egypt?

For your information Coptics make up a huge percentage of the population there.

Re:Excuse me, BUT What 3 Religions? (1)

Kurt Russell (627436) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179639)

Islam, Islam, Islam

Egypt used [historylink101.net] to be a little more open minded.

Re:Excuse me, BUT What 3 Religions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179645)

this is to enlighten my friend who found out that the only ONE religion in egypt is for eliminating others, well i guess he is right cuz the way isrealies are treating palestenians and americans to irqies, i think all of the religions are to exterminate islam. so they are doing what they can to return the favour

Re:Excuse me, BUT What 3 Religions? (1)

mlflegel (413793) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179684)

Excuse me, BUT can anybody name the three religions that all Egyptains respect and believe? Last time I counted there was only one, and it was out to exterminate the rest of them.
From my dealings with Muslims I surmise that they mean the three religions that believe in the one God (or Allah, or Jehova, or by whichever name you prefer): Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
Interestingly, the Quaran does not differentiate between Muslims and non-Muslims, but rather between those who believe in God, and those who don't (or believe in "false gods").
The holy war was originally intended to be against these unbelievers. This isn't such a brilliant idea either, of course, but have you read the old testament lately?

IN SOVIET RUSSIA.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179583)

THE MATRIX BANS YOU!!!!

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179616)

Thanks for reminding me why Yakov Smirnoff [yakov.com] is such a washed-up, has-been, loser.

Weird (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179590)

Matrix is banned cause it potrays stuff contrary to the 3 blessed religions by God (as the egptions put it) These three (Judaism, Christinity and Islam). Now further down there is a big flamebait about how the ban is really cause it potrays stuff about Judaism. Now isn't that very contradicting?

I for one thought the whole Zion/Rasta image was some rastafarian thing :) Come on.. Zion is from Neuromancer.. everyone knows it.. and why is everyone almost black?

Egyptain Religion is Weak... (1, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179597)

Egyptain religions beliefs are weak beyond belief...

...if they can be brought down by a single movie.

Of course, I remember when there were those in America preaching the end of the world would arrive if The Last Temptation of Christ ever made it to the theaters.

Wonder why those people weren't interviewed about those statements afterwards.

heh (2, Funny)

ffsnjb (238634) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179603)

Maybe the kid in the first movie should have said "there is no god." Instead of bending a spoon with your mind, it'd probably be a tad easier to convince the religious *insert_deragtory word_here* that there is no god.

Nah, bending the spoon is easier.

Re:heh (1)

ffsnjb (238634) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179636)

I can't believe I misspelled derogatory even after looking it up at dict.org.

Why not censor the first movie? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179605)

I'm thinking... why they didn't banned the first
Matrix movie? After all, is in that movie where Neo is featured as some kind of messiah, while in Reloaded is rationalized as just "a necessary anomaly" that can be explained scientifically...

Wait, maybe the fact that religion can be explained by rational ways is what these censors fear?

What is the matrix? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179607)

The movie taught us that "The Matrix" was a system of machines that enslave and delude the human race for their own ends. But what really is The Matrix in our world? I submit that the first level of The Matrix--as close as we'll get to it in our world--is not a society of machines enslaving people, but a collection of governments that enslave their citizens.

Just as machines attempt to control the thoughts and minds of humans trapped in the Matrix, some governments attempt to delude their citizens and control what they see and hear.

Ironically, the movie often showed computers as the technology that enabled the enslavement of humans. In our world, computers do just the opposite, and promise to be the technology that frees those who are enslaved.

If you're reading this in a country that does not allow "The Matrix" to be shown, have hope. There ARE [suprnova.org] SOLUTIONS. [bitconjurer.org]

'The Matrix' may have you. But free your bandwidth, and the rest will follow.

Multiculturalism in a nutshell (5, Interesting)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179614)

North America: Neo kicks the crap out of someone and then gives a passionate kiss to Trinity. R-rated for explicit sex.

Europe: Neo kicks the crap out of someone and then says: "Oh fuck! Zion again. It's such a shitty place". British Board Of Film Censors (in 1984 renamed to British Board Of Film Classifiication, conveniently keeping the old acronym) gives it "restricted" rating for continuing use of strong language.

Arabian States: Neo kicks the crap out of someone and then says: "Oh God! Zion again". Egyptian censors ban this film for explicit religious message

It seems that the only thing all cultures of the Earth can unanimously agree to is kicking the crap out of someone...

Why now? (1)

djtripp (468558) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179631)

The question that I ask is why now? The background between the two movies are basicaly the same. It's not about the violence, it's about beleifs, perspectives, what have you. Will they ban sales and rentals of the original Matrix?

The first movie (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179641)

sparked a lot of anger in Egypt. The government is just trying to forestall the turmoil that would obviously accompany the second movie.

Personally, I think this is totally silly, but then again, the whole cultural relativity/ absolutism buzzsaw I would walk into by commenting any further forestalls me from doing so.

I am sure there others in the Slashdot crowd who are not so timid. Let the geopolitical and theological hooting and hollering begin.

Maybe they just want to prevent panic.. (1)

lleo (553518) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179648)

because of the 'vampire' thing...

Not far from what people think here (5, Insightful)

bigmattana (646048) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179653)

While we have the freedom of speech here in the U.S., similar thinking regarding the fear of talking about religion is alive here. Religion these days is like sex was 100 years ago - nobody thinks it is appropriate to talk about, as if some sort of war or riot is going to break out of we talk about it. When will people understand that there can be both peace and difference of opinions and beliefs at the same time? If we think we have to neuter ourselves for the sake of getting along with others, then we have truly given up. We don't need to voluntarily self-impose such restrictions as Egypt is on our own talk and thoughts. I am glad that the Matrix 2 looks at some of these issues. (Though I am always a little worried when Hollywood does try to look at religious issues.) I think that part of the reason many people think the movie is so deep is that they had never thought about such things for themselves before.

I don't think Theodore Herzl had this in mind: (1)

eidechse (472174) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179666)

The first Matrix movie was released in Egypt but was criticised by Islamic newspapers for promoting Zionism.

Maybe I should check the credits again to make sure.

oh really? (0, Redundant)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179672)

now, as a history teacher, i understand the problems that islam has with the "personification" of God, however,

which are related to the three divine religions, which we all respect and believe in.

muslims recognize abraham, moses, jesus, et al., as prohets, muhammad being the last and final, but i do doubt their sincerity here. they are an islamic nation, and their laws reflect as much (we should remember that here), however i wonder how "divine" they see jews and christians. even though egypt is one of only two arab nations that have recognized israel (jordan being the other), their actions towards jews and christians have been less than respectful, i dare say

Sorry, but obligatory (1)

hmccabe (465882) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179677)

Whoa!

BEST DEPARTMENT EVER (1)

deltronzero (673472) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179678)

anybody else pull a rofl?

(did you get it?)

Nope. Sorry. (3, Insightful)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179681)

which we all respect and believe in.

Excuse me, I'm an atheist.

Zion (2, Interesting)

jilbert (520628) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179687)

I think the real reason they have banned it is that the city of free people in the film is called "Zion"! This also caused problems with the first Matrix film. The film makers have really shot themselves in the foot with that one!

it's about Zion (1)

ConfusedVorlon (657247) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179688)

An interesting suggestion from a BBC foreign correspondent this morning was that the real reason for the ban is that the underground city is called Zion.

Thus the matrix could be interpereted as a pro-Israeli allegory - not a popular message in Egypt at the moment.

Your ignorance of ME politics is showing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179693)

Hey, you. Yes, all of you. How much do you people know about Egypt, exactly?

To judge from your responses, not a lot.

Egypt, much like most Arab dictatorships, does not base its power on Islam. On the contrary, its government is secular, and fights religious extremists with vigour, because they threaten their rule. The previous Egyptian dictator, Anwar Sa'adat, was assassinated by the Muslim Brotherhood, an extremist religious faction, also responsible for various attacks against tourists in the last few years.

Of course, they fight democracy and human-rights activists with equal vigour, for more-or-less the same reason (ruling parties in dictatorships do not give up their seats easily).

It is far more likely that the ban comes, not only as a sincere attempt at curtailing independent anti-establishment thought, but as a kowtow to the strong anti-Zionist (bordering on anti-semite) sentiments throughout the Egyptian academia, which has been mistargeted at Matrix et al. due to their use of the name Zion for a city that is ruled by the "good guys."

And that's it. I know it's nice to put everything evil under the "religious interests interfering with policy" ruberik, but it's not always the truth, and it isn't in this case, as far as I know.

Yours,

Some Guy From the Middle East (North-East of Egypt)

Is it really that different? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179697)

Are we in our western democracies really any different? The board in Egypt, reviewing it, said "We don't like this, so we won't let it in." Here, we have the tyranny of the majority. I can say what I wish, as long as I can bear both social stigma and abuse, but the people are not often kind, and social backlash is about as effective as a repressive society and stagnates thought just as much. It seems that we have the same thing over here (and on this board) as they have over their. The only difference is that here it is enforced by a popular majority.

Life of Brian (2, Insightful)

bananahammock (595781) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179705)

This film was initially banned in Norway for blasphemy. It wasn't released there until 1980 - IMDB

Western countries also have their skeletons in the closet.

Fundamental nature of fundamentalism (1)

fishbonez (177041) | more than 11 years ago | (#6179707)

This is just another example of fundamentalism at work. Regardless of the particular type of fundamentalism, there is always an underlying need to protect the belief system. It takes a lot of work to foist a set of extreme values on a group of people. Because the system is so extreme, it can easily collapse if people are allowed to think for themselves. I heard an creationist say that if the bible is wrong about god creating the earth, then how can he believe anything else it says. If your belief system is a house of cards, then you have more to think about then just preventing the slightest breeze.

Band ? Yea right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6179717)

What are they going to do about the bad Hong Kong DVD copies already there?
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