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Review: Matrix: Reloaded

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the turtles-all-the-way-down dept.

The Matrix 1294

PsndCsrV writes in with a review of the new Matrix movie, below. Rottentomatoes says that the reviews overall are more favorable than un-. Ebert likes it well enough.

PsndCsrV writes:

Due to some fortunate circumstances, I was able to partake of the Matrix goodness ahead of the release. Overall, I thought the movie was excellent, but there were some issues (for me, at least) that kept it from being spectacular. It's definitely worth seeing, and if you're worried about it not being that good, go see a matinee screening and skip the popcorn. ;-) It is a blatant cliffhanger, though, so if that drives you nuts, you better just wait until November. Keep reading for a more in depth look, and I'll try not to let any spoilers slip.

The special effects were great. I personally didn't see anything totally revolutionary in them... it seems like most of it was simply "bullet time", but more refined, utilizing CG where cameras don't make it. Only a couple of times did I feel that the CG wasn't quite right, and even then it wasn't due to the impossibility of the action. It was mostly due to a character's arms/legs/hair/clothes that didn't move 100% naturally during a stunt, which is definitely difficult to get right. There was only a couple instances in 1 scene that come to mind immediately, so the effects people did an excellent job.

One of the main criticisms of the first Matrix was the lack of character development. Well, I won't lie to you... there's not a whole lot of character development in this one either. There was more, but not for any of the main characters really. A little more insight into Morpheus's life, a new take on the Oracle, the introduction of some new characters, and the whole thing going on with Agent Smith. But there are still a lot of gaps in the characters, but Reloaded does make you feel like you're starting to understand things better, and that the next movie will be very enlightening.

One of the best after-effects of the first Matrix was the way it made you question your own take on reality. It really made you wonder what's real, and what's not. What's important to me, and what's not. Or maybe I was just being overly philosophical about it. Reloaded really does a good job of leaving you questioning, but this time, you're speculating about the movie and where it will head... how things will be resolved. Reloaded ends with many loose ends, and many questions unanswered, but at the same time, it's an excellent opportunity to speculate. I definitely want to see Revolutions now, and it's a good thing I only have to wait 6 months.

The movie also flowed well. I didn't ever feel like a scene was put in "just because", except once. I personally felt that the love scene between Neo and Trinity was a little overboard, and that a lot more could have been said with a much more subtle approach. Intermixed with this, were shots of the people of Zion having a wild dance party/orgy. Ok, so the orgy was implied with the whole sexual nature of the dance scene. I couldn't help but relate it to Herbert's Fremen spice orgy in Dune, except without the spice. It struck me as the same type of situation.

To sum it up, I really enjoyed it. My only big complaint was the love scene, but I am a conservative person. Other people will undoubtedly love the movie just for that scene. The rest of the movies was great, and definitely sets up Revolutions as a must see.

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1294 comments

fr0st p1st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962169)

fp r0xx0rs my b0xx0rs

(so does trinity in leather)

Commnunist movie! remove the sex-scene (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962198)

all the El-Cheapo special effects,
and it feels like SOVIET RUSSIA is back to YOU!!!

kid scripty

Don't ruin the ending (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962174)

I don't give a damn about the plot. I'm just going to see it for the computer generated graphics.

Re:Don't ruin the ending (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962232)

just stare at your screen, those graphics are computer generated.

in soviet russia, trolls do not feed YOU, look... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962276)

look son, you'll need a job after college.

Not even SCO will afford unproductive script kid's like you.
remember son, life is all aboutpain in your backside

Not a problem (2, Funny)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962176)

I didn't get philosophical about the first Matrix movie. But, I'm not a chick, so that makes sense.

For those "first" people... (5, Funny)

jafo (11982) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962183)

Tell me, Mister Coward, what good is a reply button if you are unable to type?

Sean

Re:For those "first" people... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962214)

How about I give you the finger and you give me my phone call.

Re:For those "first" people... (1)

M3shuggah (162909) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962259)

ouch, I guess moderator points weren't given to those who actually remembered the first movie.

Re:For those "first" people... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962256)

How about I give you the finger, and you give me my phone call.

in soviet russia, trolls do not feed YOU, look... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962367)

look son, there's more to life than first posts.

many of us will never make it better than second or third posts, but we'll be there when you need us.

excellent (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962186)

the architect... contemplate that one.

what program controls him? .. and uh.. Neo puts out a lil EMP now? whatup with that

MATRIX RELOADED -- opening night (3, Informative)

GozerBrothers (637555) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962187)

Just saw MATRIX RELOADED on opening night. The theater was packed, despite multiple showings -- 10, 10:10, 10:30... The audience seemed to greatly enjoy the movie.

The action was as good as advertised. The actors acquited themselves well. As expected, CGI was greatly improved from the original, particularly for the "real world" shots.

BUT... the movie didn't make much sense -- it was kind of like USUAL SUSPECTS, but without the basis in reality on which to grab hold.

Go see it... but don't expect to understand it until you see the third one, too.

Re:MATRIX RELOADED -- opening night (2, Informative)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962211)

I dunno, I thought it all made perfect sense. Even the ending they leave with us makes a great deal of sense. The question is of course. Once Neo realizes the truth, what is the truth? We don't get to find out for six months.

Re:MATRIX RELOADED -- opening night (1)

c.emmertfoster (577356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962238)

At least in the film The Thirteenth Floor, it only takes one movie for the plot to be revealed.

The Matrix guys seem to think we want to see three to have the whole story revealed. What a cash cow.

Re:MATRIX RELOADED -- opening night (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962278)

Well, I suppose I can understand it. Movie one world one. Movie two world two. Movie three..... ???

Have I said too much?

Re:MATRIX RELOADED -- opening night (4, Informative)

Stubtify (610318) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962233)

I felt it made a lot of sense. The story delves even deeper into what is the matrix (remember www.whatisthematrix.com) and comes out the other end with a great explination for everything we just watched for the last hour and a half (I'll leave the spoilers up to someone else). Just that there are a lot of questions like what happenes to the matrix now? or what happened to it? what happens to zion, etc.

I feel that the cliffhanger is great, keeps me wanting more, and asking what's next. I don't want to give anything else away, but I thought it was funny that every girl I talked to at the theatre left asking a million questions and not understanding and all the guys were just like "damn that was the shit"

that whole movie was one long intense mindfuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962189)

I enjoyed it

Re:that whole movie was one long intense mindfuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962243)

hmmm MindFuck, what's that 1900 number again?!

The biggest mistake (4, Insightful)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962193)

of this release is not having Revolutions waiting right there for you to see. They could have lined up 90% of the people from that theatre and herded us into the next theatre emtpying our wallets as we went.

While the ending is not surprising it certainly leaves you wanting to see the rest of the story. I personally didn't notice any cg mistakes, but I usually don't until my second viewing of a film unless they are just glaring mistakes.

The main flaws with the movie are a slow start that really does little to develop the characters. If they wanted to break from the constant action for that purpose they didn't do the best job. I heard several people in the theatre complain about the somewhat technical dialog that takes place in the movie. That was no big deal to me as it all made perfect sense, but I could see how others might not like it or pick up on it. Then again I laughed out loud when I saw the terminal with ssh 10.2.2.2 on it ;)

Re:The biggest mistake [technical dialogue] (1)

GozerBrothers (637555) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962229)

"somewhat technical dialog that takes place in the movie"

I had no trouble with this personally.

BUT... my friend, who is a non-native English speaker, was totally lost at the end of the movie, as an important character (who won't be named to avoid spoilers) speaks in so much jargon and so quickly that he is virtually incomprehensible.

Re:The biggest mistake [technical dialogue] (1)

c.emmertfoster (577356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962249)

He doesn't really use that much jargon, he is just scripted to speak in unnecessarily large words to make himself sound smart.

And he says "ergo" about twenty times.

Re:The biggest mistake [technical dialogue] (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962258)

I think the accent made that much worse than it should have been.

Re:The biggest mistake (5, Funny)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962247)

laughed out loud when I saw the terminal with ssh 10.2.2.2 on it ;)

That's what pissed Matrix - encrypted session that it can't spy on - damn hackers.

Only one thing that could stop them from hiding themselves in encrypted channels, and that'd be the major theme of next sequel - Matrix - Super DMCA

Re:The biggest mistake (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962264)

Ah, but it was the "hackers" using ssh within a building in the matrix controlled by the machines. The particular network was also in a fairly important building ;)

Re:The biggest mistake (5, Interesting)

ender81b (520454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962298)

Yeah that cracked me up as well. Also if you watched really close you would've noticed them using something like "ssh v1 exploit (something)" to haxx0r into the computer. Really nifty IMHO.

And man ....

SPOILERS BEEP BEEP BEEP SPOILERS BEEP BEEP BEEP

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

All me and my friends can figure out is that they are trapped inside a matrix within a matrix AND neo went on the EXACT COURSE THE MACHINES WANTED HIM ON! It makes perfect sense when you think about it, which is why it is probably wrong.

Yeah Neo (and every other human, even Zion) is still trapped inside the matrix. Reasons? Well let's think about it. They targeted and destroyed one of the hovercraft JUST so Trinity would have to go out and get the power shut off. Two, they showed him the pictures of trinity dying to entice him to go out the other door back into the matrix. Three, Neo was able to destroy those sentinels by THOUGHT outside the Matrix. Four, Neo can see the future. Five, Agent Smith was able to transfer his consciousness into the 'real world'. I don't see how this is possible (I mean a computer program mapping itself to the human synapses?) unless Zion or the 'real world' is actually the matrix. Agents can take over people by 'overwriting' them - in the matrix . Why can Neo see the future... well just like the oracle because *has has already lived it!*

I also think I understand why they alllow Neo to exist and return again and again (besides fixing a flaw). it sets humanity on a predictable course and allows them to control it and fulfills the human need for hope and choice. A messiah, prophecy, etc. Maybe in the first design they had no idea about Neo but now they do and can deal with him, obviously. Destroying him would give rise to perhaps somebody else, some other Messiah who might just succeed in destroying the matrix. It also makes sense for there to be Matrix's inside the Matrix like layers of an onion. After all you can manipulate an entire world, why not make multiple layers?

They said 1% of the population won't accept the matrix. That 1% is given an outlet - to Zion another matrix. That way they can't corrupt or influence the other 99%. Logically, allowing a real human city to exist would be a *very bad no good idea* since they might - jsut might - come up with a weapon or something else that could actually kill the machines. So it makes sense that instead of allowing a real city they make a fake one. Zion also might have different rules and levels of control than the Matrix which allows for people to not understand what is really going on - i.e. they are still in the matrix. Even the idea of 'bending the rules of the computer program' allows for them to take a sample of the human population that doesn't like rules and allow them to break them in ways the machines can control and manipulate.

It is also plausible that the whole idea of humans as 'batteries' is simply a 'red herring' to through humans off the real course of why they are kept around. Perhaps if they figured out THAT they would be able to hurt the machines.

I simply can't wait for the next movie. A really cool ending, much like 1984, would have neo simply fullfilling his purpose, waking up the next generation to live in 'Zion' and telling them he will return and then just replaying the first scene of the orginal Matrix. No hope, despair, etc. But interesting ending nonetheless.

Whew. Good movie.

---- END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER END SPOILER ---

There are definitely CG mistakes (5, Interesting)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962301)

I personally didn't notice any cg mistakes, but I usually don't until my second viewing of a film unless they are just glaring mistakes.

Remember the 1000px trailer a while back on /.? anyway, in the scene where all the Agent Smith(es) bum-rush Neo, you can see (frame-step helps) some Smith stuck their whole hands into other Smith's backs - and this happened on several occasions.

No it was not easy to spot, but it is *possible*. Anyhow I am not saying it ruins the experience in any way, but for 100 million dollars on special effects along, I'd figure that they checked for stuff like that.

Re:There are definitely CG mistakes (5, Funny)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962341)

You are probably right that there are definatly cg mistakes, but it's a bit hard to tell on the big screen playing at full speed. I also think the other people in the audience might have kicked my ass if I had asked the projectionist to show it to us slow enough that we could catch those errors ;)

Re:The biggest mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962337)

Look! It's a Stanley Kubrick 2001 white plastic world! No! Wait, NO! It's a massive tribal sex orgy with appropriate drum and bass groove! No! It's the Terminator future! Ooops! It's Crouching Tiger Mysterious castle only 500 miles from a major American Metropolis strangely resembling that of Brazil (the movie)! As if the bullshit wasn't thick enough, we're met with a babbling Colonel Sanders/Sigmund Freud ersatz God/Father/Whatever cliche and the deus ex machina ramblings in the victorian steamworks. Neither of these is surprising as every element of the movie is just that -- another in a series of inexplicable devices to further fail at patching up the plot and consistency failures of every preceding character and event.

Two hours and ten minutes of the same goddamn thing only ten times as gratuitous and 1/100th as consistent. But then, that's the whole existential point I suppose and not just an excuse to make a hundred million or so off a complete piece of crap.

Hell! (1)

vs-Tsoonamy (531780) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962201)

Here in Germany I've to wait another week till the 22nd for the movie to come out.
Anyone knows a cheap flight to the US to see it now?! :-)

Re:Hell! (2, Informative)

Da Fokka (94074) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962269)

Take a train to Holland. Much cheaper and you can see it from this evening onwards.

Re:Hell! (1)

hanwen (8589) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962279)

It opens 15/5 in the Netherlands too.

Re:Hell! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962282)

You need a German spoken version I suppose :)
In Belgium the movie is in the theatres tomorrow, the 16th... That's a much cheaper solution.

Re:Hell! (2, Informative)

quigonn (80360) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962284)

In Austria there's a preview of Matrix Reloaded in 21st in many cinemas. They even offer so-called "double features", playing The Matrix & Matrix Reloaded in one row. :-)

IN (not SOVIET anymore) RUSSIA (1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962306)

We only have to wait till 21st :)
Of course, if we are lucky to get the tickets.
I guess tonight(tomorrow the day when tickets become available) I'm sleeping near the book office :)

Middle Child (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962203)

As with all middle children, Matrix Reloaded has trouble defining itself. Not being the first it doesn't get the chance for "Skock and Awe" and not being the last it can't provide a satisfactory conclusion so it is stuck being a FX movie. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it but it doesn't have quite the majic of the 1st and the "to be concluded" at the end is pretty frustrating to see. The FX are fantastic but the plot is somewhat confusing, go see it but expect to shell out in Nov to get any closure.

Re:Middle Child (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962324)

Nice job in quoting another review I already read online. Next time, use your own words.

I agree (1, Informative)

Spleenl3oy (613303) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962204)

I just saw the movie also, and feel that it was extremely well done. It leaves you with a lot of questions and makes you wish you could watch revolutions tomorrow. There were a few times where I thought the CG was a bit overboard and/or didn't fit with what should have happened in the scene, but overall it was great. I agree with the reviewer that the whole love scene and dance party could have been shortened by a couple of minutes.

Excellent (1)

tetro (545711) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962207)

I think the movie was great. I personally feel that this film was deeper than the first one.

Start your Engines (1)

Mtn_Dewd (15169) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962209)

Well, I just got back from my "preview" of Matrix Reloaded. It was very entertaining indeed.

This one introduces a lot more of a philosophical twinge, by adding to the Matrix world with programs within programs, and other constructs. The action scenes, as expected, were phenomenal.

It's definitely worth giving a shot if you enjoyed the first Matrix at all.

Sweet baby jesus... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962213)

I believe this may have been the best sequel I have ever seen that's been made in my lifetime. I got absolutely everything I expected from it, and I am betting if you're not an uppity h0 you will too.

I wish I could go into detail about a certain scene with the squiddies and a certain rumor I heard several months ago about matrix within a matrix, but I know that will probably get my flamed.

Anyway, if you weren't already planning on seeing it, you ought to drop everything: classes, job, interview, wedding, whatever.. and go see it as it will make you spooge yourself several times with it's uber-leet coolness +3000.

Just trust me on this :)

It's the first with bigger explosions... (4, Informative)

Wrexs0ul (515885) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962215)

...and boy are they cool.

Don't expect the Matrix to revolutionize your way of thinking. So many comments here are about some great philosophical meaning that made the first movie but killed this one. Truth is both of them have their share of very obvious - and some not so blatantly obvious - religious undertones but that doesn't make or break the movie.

The Matrix is a great geek film with guns, explosions, computers, and a plot the producers built so everyone could enjoy it...I most certainly did!

Oh, and don't forget to stay for the Revolutions trailer after the credits. I know there's about a billion names there but it's worthwhile.

Re:It's the first with bigger explosions... (2, Interesting)

c.emmertfoster (577356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962260)

Don't expect the Matrix to revolutionize your way of thinking

Amen. I loath the attempt here to patronize me with dumbed-down least-common-denominator philosophy.

In summary: Movie #1 pretends that it's insightful to question the nature of percieved reality.
Movie #2 pretends that it's insightful to question one's free will (or illusion thereof)

Middle Child (2) (4, Insightful)

pagercam2 (533686) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962216)

As with all middle children, Matrix Reloaded has trouble defining itself. Not being the first it doesn't get the chance for "Skock and Awe" and not being the last it can't provide a satisfactory conclusion so it is stuck being a FX movie. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it but it doesn't have quite the majic of the 1st and the "to be concluded" at the end is pretty frustrating to see. The FX are fantastic but the plot is somewhat confusing, go see it but expect to shell out in Nov to get any closure.

Re:Middle Child (2) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962286)

Not all middle children. Take Empire Strikes Back, for example.

Re:Middle Child (2) (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962290)

The problem is that 2 and 3 aren't really two movies. More like one movie with a six month intermission.

The Orgy Scene... (4, Interesting)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962217)

To keep it short, I think the idea with the Orgy/Dance scene is draw parallels between the sex of Neo and Trinity, and the overall Sexual (primal, hedonistic) nature of humans... and the fact that we are a product of this. In other words, evolution... a seething bastion of organic life living far underground, reproducing and fighting for existence. So in that respect it's a very important piece of the overall humans (organic life) against machines (in-organice life).

Other than that, yeah the acting was a bit cheesy... but ALL the acting is a bit cheesy in the movie. ;)

Re:The Orgy Scene...and philosophy of the matrix (3, Interesting)

VValdo (10446) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962338)

In my opinion, the orgy/dance scene was reminiscient of the opening dance scene from "Blade", only longer and less effective. I wish they had cut this sequence down, as I felt it was unnecessary....

Overall though, a decent sequel with some nice CG treats.

If you've taken a philosophy class, you'd have recognized the Matrix as a new incarnation of Plato's allegory of the cave [wsu.edu] from The Republic [evansville.edu] , later expressed as "The Evil Deceiver [ilovephilosophy.com] " by Descartes and later still as the "brain in a vat [csus.edu] " scenario by Hilary Putnam.

In the sequel, the filmmakers move on to questions of free will vs. determinism vs. fate [www.sfu.ca] . These issues were also nicely articulated in one of the segments of the animated Art Linklater film "The Waking Life [imdb.com] ", for anyone who's interested.

So it was cool to have a new philosophical issue raised. To "What is the nature of reality... and is it all a sham?" has been added "What is the nature of choice... and is it all a sham?"

Plus, the freeway chase scene was incredible ;)

W

W00t (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962220)

*You have found 9 of 10 secret areas.

90% Accuracy

5000 point bonus.

Please insert new money making scheme to continue.

Sex Scene (3, Informative)

c.emmertfoster (577356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962223)

I personally felt that the love scene between Neo and Trinity was a little overboard

Overboard? How about totally fucking lame. The whole thing was shots of Keanu's arm-plugs spliced between shots of dirty hippies dancing. Gag me. The first hour of the movie was absolute rubbish.

Re:Sex Scene (1)

mrklin (608689) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962303)

This compared to the second half of the movie which was also rubbish.

I don't think I am the only one who is tired of Neo and Trinity exhibiting PDA (no, not Palm or PocketPC! - Public Display of Affection) at every opportunity - in the elevator, in their rooms, within the construct, etc.

The only good thing seems to be that women of the future/Zion no longer wears bra and the weather is great so that they always wear thin, see-through clothing.

Re:Sex Scene (1)

oiper (575250) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962328)

The dirty hippy dancing and all that other sexish crap is going to make it just uncomfortable enough that I won't want to watch it with the dad. Who very much enjoyed the first. Still a great movie. I'll be 35 one day and still feel funny about seeing that kinda sexish crap with the parents though. It really would have been great though if there was a shot of Trinity's nipples and you find out that they are replaced with those little metal/plastic connectors. =P

Yup (1)

machine of god (569301) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962224)

I just went and saw it. It's now 5:00am that I am getting back. Classes be damned.

My Thoughts (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962225)

Good film. But why did Trinity have to die at the end?

Stay after the credits! (2, Informative)

malen (200861) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962228)

Just saw it, and loved it.

Reloaded definitely has a different purpose from the original (we're not realizing for the first time that our world is a simulation), but quality-wise it was just as good. Zion looks a lot larger and more organized than I would have guessed, and we get to see some bad-ass robocop-style exoskeletons that will probably feature in Matrix Revolutions.

The Wachowski bros. could easily have made a crappy movie, but they pulled this sequel off well.

Be sure to stay past the end of the credits for an awesome preview for Revolutions!!!

Re:Stay after the credits! (0)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962307)

the WHACK-OFF ski brothers PULLED IT OFF well, you say?

Who'dve thunk it?

Did the Matrix 2 suck, or was it just me? (1, Interesting)

VvDarkPhoenixvV (669211) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962231)

I walked out of the Matrix 2 today. After hyping myself up for what I thought was a plethora of bullet-time acrobatics and ass-kicking kung-fu, I instead walked in on a huge orgy in Zion. Sadly realizing that all the amazing things I had paid $10 to see were available in free previews on the net, I walked out. I was just unable to watch the Watchowski Brothers sell out like that. Very, very disappointing.

Re:Did the Matrix 2 suck, or was it just me? (5, Funny)

c.emmertfoster (577356) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962274)

Go drink some Poweraid. Perhaps that will make you feel better.

Re:Did the Matrix 2 suck, or was it just me? (1)

SaXisT4LiF (120908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962314)

Nah man, Dante said we could have gatorade after the hockey game...

Re:Did the Matrix 2 suck, or was it just me? (1)

mattzog (559965) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962325)

It was just you, dude.
There's more to life than bullet time.

-mattzog

Re:Did the Matrix 2 suck, or was it just me? (1)

VvDarkPhoenixvV (669211) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962352)

Yeah, but bullet-time is the only thing missing from my life, and that's why I paid my $10 for the movie!!

I can't wait. (0)

Deadite (622970) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962234)

I anticipated much hype about this new Mmatrix. I bought my ticket 3 days in advance just so I would make sure I could get in. I know recently the big block busters like X-men were sold out on the first day. I can't wait to see what this new Matrix has in store for us.

Like reading Slashdot... (1)

jkrise (535370) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962235)

I think I'll need to see it about 5 times and talk to lots of others, before I get a hang of it.. good thing is, I don't need to care about my karma.

Frankly, the only part which made any sense in the ntire movie was the love scene - aren't good /.ers supposed to enjoy them?

the fast and the furious (1)

katalyst (618126) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962241)

was to be made to look like the slow and the sluggish...or so the w. bros had claimed..... has the movie lived up to this reputation???

I've seen a few of the animatrixes... the first one sucked.. second one onwards they got much better.....
Any1 seen the Flight of the Orisis?? Have been dying to see that.... it apparantly had been attached to dreamcatcher in the States ... would love to watch it.. its 3d rendered instead of conventional anim...
They are supposed to have released the game "Enter the Matrix" too in conjuction with the movie.....

IMAX Anyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962244)

Anyone know whether the rumours about this movie coming out on IMAX have any basis on reality?

If it has I'll wait thanx very much, especially with the reviews given here it doesn't sound like a must see, c/ept for the SFX which means don't wait to see it on TV - see it on the big screen.

SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (5, Interesting)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962257)

I just got back from a midnight showing, and I have to ask this. It may give things away. This is your warning! Don't read this! I am even stating guesses as to what the third movie is about, which may pre-spoil even that.

First question: how did Neo stop the Sentinels that came at him in the real world? He's a programmer, a normal human who has the ability to fly or move quickly only in the Matrix, where he can see everything as code. In the real world, he's pretty much a real wimp. Right? Is the movie going all magical on us? I don't think so.

More questions: how is it that the Architect said they had destroyed Zion many times? That doesn't match up with the first Matrix movie, where the history of Zion doesn't talk at all about being wiped out and rebuilding multiple times. What happened to all the people who died in Zion the first few times? Shouldn't the rebuilders have seen archaeology? Corpses? Something to hint that Zion existed for longer than 100 years? They can't "reset" Zion and start from scratch, it's the real world. You wipe out 250,000 people, they can't just grow back. And if others escaped from the Matrix and rebuilt Zion, why isn't that part of the history lesson we get in the Matrix part 1?

Final question: if the Architect is not lying when he says that computers have ruled for far longer than 100 years, then how come Zion doesn't reflect this? How come every Zion leader puts Zion's inception (or at least, the rule of the machines) at 100 years? How did they lose or "forget" the real history?

One more spoiler alert. I'm trying to provoke discussion, because I don't know if what I'm about to suggest is right, but it may give stuff away. Stop reading if you haven't seen it!

The answer to all these questions is another question: how do you handle the one-tenth of one percent of humans who don't "buy" the Matrix? How do you keep them from unplugging everyone and everything? You give that .1% something to do. You create a second Matrix for them to "escape" to. You keep them busy freeing people from one Matrix to another. When Zion falls, you reset and wait for the .1% to need a distraction again. You let the war play out with Neo 1, Neo 2, Neo 3, Neo 4, Neo 5, and Neo 6. Over and over again. So that the computers have now ruled hundreds of years. So that when Neo finally understands that the "real" world is just as unreal as the Matrix, he is able to stop the Sentinels with a wave of his hand.

What's the truth? I fear I have this all wrong, but it sure explains damn near everything.

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (4, Insightful)

the_quark (101253) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962309)

Spoilers continue, of course...

I agree. I realized that the world where Zion lives isn't real as soon as Agent Smith downloaded himself to it at the beginning.

Which means that the entire war between the men and the machines, the humans as batteries stuff, *all* the backstory set up in the first movie, may be fake. All of it. There may be another real story we're going to find out in the last one.

The thing I found most interesting was learning how the Oracle works. She simulates humans to 99.9%+ accuracy. The entire system is set up to simulate humans, to make available the choices that they are expected to make. Neo is The One because he doesn't make the expected choices. He doesn't choose to simply believe in reaity. Zion is a place for those who don't exactly fit prediction to have a place to "escape" to. Neo's real breakthrough is that he's going to escape Zion.

The interesting thing about all this is that the Oracle decides what she wants you to do, and says what needs to be said to get you to do it, based upon her simulation. No point to this observation, I just thought it was interesting.

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (1)

ender81b (520454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962359)

Actually I believe the Oracle works because she *has lived through the entire thing before!*

Yeah there is definately another world here and alot of stuff is going on. The entire thing, this entire story line, is probably made up. Hell for all we know it could be aliens or Amazon women from the moon controlling humanity. I can SO not wait for the next movie.

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (2, Interesting)

LWolenczak (10527) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962316)

In response to #1, he is clearly still in the matrix, and that is why he is in a coma, he figured it out, so the archatect had to "disable" him for his plans to carry out... his plans are definitly not what he/she/it said them to be.

In response to #2, I think the archetect lied, He wanted to scare/convince neo to do what he wanted him to do. It would be awful hard to "erase" Zion and rebuild, or the people are convinced it is their duty, or something along those lines. You would have to free a lot of people from the matrix to go from 12 to 250,000 in just 100 years, but see #3.

In response to #3, I think it would be easy to loose track of time underground, but it does make you wonder. Where did Zion all come from? Did the ships suddenly appear as being relics from a time long gone or what?!? It could be that the oracle/mother program provided many things for the people of Zion, that could very well make sense, Morpheus did mention something about being tought the truth and etc.

In response to #4, you let them not believe, you let them unplug, you try to stop them with "agents". I don't think you would create a second matrix, but eventually, you would lock them in a fake reality (see #1)

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (1)

sweetooth (21075) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962323)

I think you have it close to right. The "real world" is either just more of the simulation or Neo is god, of course that doesn't explain him not recovering after stopping the sentinals so the first part is most likely correct. Of course it appears that all of the Neos reacted differantly and the architect noted that this, the sixth, neo responded more quickly than any of the others. It is possible that this is the first One that will actually break outside into the real real world.

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (1)

mrklin (608689) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962334)

"how did Neo stop the Sentinels that came at him in the real world?"

Obviously, this is to be explained in the next Matrix movie. Another explanation, what if this 'real world' is not real?

how is it that the Architect said they had destroyed Zion many times?

This probably ties into the Buddhist philosophy of reincarnation. Each reincarnate i.e. Zion has no memory (physical or metaphysical) of its past. Who is to say the destruction of Zion was not complete, that is no trace of physical evidence?

How did they lose or "forget" the real history?

See above.

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (1)

smithwis (577119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962347)

First question: how did Neo stop the Sentinels that came at him in the real world? He's a programmer, a normal human who has the ability to fly or move quickly only in the Matrix, where he can see everything as code. In the real world, he's pretty much a real wimp. Right? Is the movie going all magical on us? I don't think so.
Remember the connection with Mr. Smith? I can think of 2 explanations involving that line of thought.
Final question: if the Architect is not lying when he says that computers have ruled for far longer than 100 years, then how come Zion doesn't reflect this? How come every Zion leader puts Zion's inception (or at least, the rule of the machines) at 100 years? How did they lose or "forget" the real history?
Got me on that one. 'Cept umm, I thought no one really new how long the Computers had ruled. Also, all the previous Chosen Ones had refused to beleive they weren't the first right?
What's the truth? I fear I have this all wrong, but it sure explains damn near everything
Good theorey. I must admit the idea had crossed my head b4 but never as an explanation to all the other questions.

A couple of questions myself.
  1. Can we trust what the architect says?
  2. What exactly is the role of the Oracle? Is it a 'higher' role than the architect?
  3. Did all the previous 'Ones' choose the oposite door than Neo(It's implied but I'm not so sure)?
  4. And of Course, What exactly about the connection between Smith and Neo? Did Smith somehow help Neo? Will SMith and NEo become allies?

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (4, Interesting)

ender81b (520454) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962350)

SPOILER SPOLIER SPOLIER

Allright here's how we figured this...

how did Neo stop the Sentinels that came at him in the real world?

Simple answer - he is STILL INSIDE THE MATRIX as you said!. All of Zion is in the matrix, everything we've seen is still inside the matrix. Read My Comments on this [slashdot.org] I won't bother repeating them here. This also answers pretty much the rest of your questions. There is no Zion! It's all fake, a construct to manipulate that 1% of the population who can't accept the matrix (like the architect said).

It makes sense after all, hell I believe (as the previous comment expands on) that Neo is STILL following the course the machines laid out for him. They can create anything they want, why not have layers within layers. I totally agree with you on this... very much so.

Also remember the first movie they said "The One" awoke the first of them from the Matrix and prophesized his return JUST as Neo was supposed to do. Go through the door, select 30 or so people from the Matrix and have them rebuild Zion and prophesize his return.

Heck, it even makes sense that they can't see the sky because of the clouds and the 'solar power' thingy. If they can't see the sky they can't calculate the positions of the stars. If they can't do that they cannot really tell what time or year it is! Absolutely brilliant!

I think 'revolutions' is when Neo finally discovers that there is something outside the matrix within matrix and the *real* reason they keep humans around. Why design all this complexity and all this effort to keeping humans CONSCIOUS? Remember if they real really just wanted humans as batteries why not just use russian sleep - 3 electrodes on the head, send a current through em and you never ever wake up.

I've long thought that the machines actually have a deep seated command to do no harm to humans and are simply trying to work their way around it. It even makes sense because it is apparent that people can be reborn multiple times as evidenced by Neo. Nobody dies the whole darn ball of wax just resets itself every few hundred years. Or it could be the machines just want something to do, i.e. design and run the Matrix. Shrug, who knows?

I actually think this one could end like 1984 with Neo, and everybody else, simply being reset. Which would be very depressing yet... real. and good.

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (1)

hswerdfe (569925) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962354)

OK I didn't Read the parent post on the basis of the warning, Thank you "Anthony Boyd"

but this brings forth a question....

could we not have a moderation type for Spoiler?
you could make it a +1 mod
and if people wanted to discuss Spoilers they leave it as is ....

if they don't want to they can set there custom mod to -5 for Spoiler....

any way ....It's an Idea...I think Its a good Idea... somebody with time and ability should do it

Re:SPOILER WARNING! DON'T READ THIS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962361)

In responce to number one, I think the most likely reason that he is able to disable the sentinels in the 'real world' is that upon entering the mainframe, he created a program copy of himself that has some control over the machines. A sort of duality. I think that the possiblity that they are still in the matrix would be too contrived and predictable.

Black appeal (4, Interesting)

sssmashy (612587) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962261)

Ebert makes the following point about race in the matrix:

I became aware, during the film, that a majority of the major characters were played by African Americans. Neo and Trinity are white, and so is Agent Smith, but consider Morpheus; his superior Commander Lock (Harry Lennix); the beautiful and deadly Niobe (Jada Pinkett Smith), who once loved Morpheus and now is with Lock, although she explains enigmatically that some things never change; the programmer Link (Harold Perrineau); Link's wife, Zee (Nona Gaye), who has the obligatory scene where she complains he's away from home too much, and the Oracle (the late Gloria Foster, very portentous). From what we can see of the extras, the population of Zion is largely black.

It has become commonplace for science fiction epics to feature one or two African-American stars, but we've come a long way since Billy Dee Williams in "Return of the Jedi." The Wachowski brothers use so many African Americans, I suspect, not for their box-office appeal, because the Matrix is the star of the movie, and not because they are good actors (which they are), but because to the white teenagers who are the primary audience for this movie, African-Americans embody a cool, a cachet, an authenticy. Morpheus is the power center of the movie, and Neo's role is essentially to study under him and absorb his mojo.

Does anyone have an opinion on this? With tongue firmly in cheek, I would add that all major roles in this movie are played by either black actors who are Americans, or white actors who aren't American. Hugo Weaving is Australian, and Carrie-Ann Moss and Keanu are Canadians. (Keanu actually holds multiple citizenships--in fact, he's a one-man multiethnic melting pot.) Are the Wachowski brothers trying to send us a coded message about the state of race in America? Or are they just bored with the sea of white faces in most other blockbusters?

Re:Black appeal (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962346)

The majority of black music is bought by white middle class kids. Who is this film aimed at again ?

The worst part of the movie(spoiler)... (1)

smithwis (577119) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962270)

...was those damn Coke ads.
I can't believe Cherry Coke won.
I mean come on...
Sprite was clearly leading. How am I supposed to beleive Cherry Coke comes back from fourth place?

Oh, that and the CGI effects for the first battle with Mr. Smith.

Re:The worst part of the movie(spoiler)... (1)

Fry-kun (619632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962335)

aaah, so it was YOU yelling "GO SPRITE" from the back rows?! how'd u do with the beachball? XD

It rawked. (1)

Omniscient Ferret (4208) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962272)

It had more manic fight scenes. It developed the philosophy a bit more. I could see the Buddhist themes coming out a bit more: e.g. by the end of the third movie, the machines & the humans are both freed.

hmm, ya think? (1)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962273)

The movie also flowed well. I didn't ever feel like a scene was put in "just because", except once. I personally felt that the love scene between Neo and Trinity was a little overboard, and that a lot more could have been said with a much more subtle approach.

Apparently you havn't read the last story about the perfect box office hit formula - you have to have sex scenes.

Which, I digress, is silly. How many movies can we name that would have been better without the sex? sigh... I am getting to a point that I think they knows this, and they don't want to change their formula - so what happens is usually that when I sense a stupid sex-scene coming, I take the opportunity for a bathroom break.

We waited four years for this? (3, Interesting)

rpiquepa (644694) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962291)

Before flaming me, please note that this is the title of the review of the movie by David Edelstein, in Slate -- and not my own words. Here is a short quote: "The grim news is that The Matrix Reloaded is as messy and flat-footed as its predecessor is nimble and shapely. It's an ugly, bloated, repetitive movie that builds to a punch line that should have come an hour earlier (at least). Then it ends as it's just beginning: Stay tuned for The Matrix Revolutions, coming in November to 8,000 theaters near you." Please read the full review [msn.com] before replying.

after reading above comments,... (1)

epicstruggle (311178) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962300)

im a bit worried that Reloaded has scenes that are confusing/lame/unnecessary. Im worried that this might be due to the game "Enter the Matrix". Ive read that more of the story is revealed in the game and that the two should really be done. Am I paranoid? Do I need to play the game to really enjoy all of the movie?

Im currently boycotting (almost all) music/video games/movies so would rather not buy the game if at all possible. But might have to purchase this game if necessary to fully appreciate the movie. Hope someone can clear up whether the movie and the game are inseparable.

thanks
epicstruggle

Just saw it myself... (1)

Cl1mh4224rd (265427) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962304)

While I enjoyed the movie and thought it pretty good overall, I was honestly a bit disappointed. Half the crowd clapped when the lights dimmed, everyone clapped at a few scene resolutions... but no one clapped at the end.

I agree with the statement in the review about the sex scene; waaay too long. There were also a number of [fight] scenes where it was pretty obvious the characters were computer generated. Those scenes, eventhough slightly disappointing to see, were definitely acceptable to me, though.

The Twins didn't get nearly enough screen time.

I think the best part, though, was the discussions my friends and I had after the movie. They weren't entirely exclusive to this movie, however.

Birth in the Matrix? Is it the humans' decision to have the baby, which is then created by the machines in the real world? Or is it the other way around; do the machines create the infant and then program it's birth into the Matrix?

People in the Matrix look like they do in the real world. If you've been hooked up to the Matrix your entire life, how do you know what you look like? Outside input from the machines?

Decoding the Matrix code. It's too difficult for a computer, but a human can do it on the fly?

Did Neo really have a choice when he accepted the piece of candy from the Oracle? If she had known he wouldn't have accepted it, she wouldn't have offered it in the first place.

In the end, it wasn't what I had hoped it would be, but it wasn't even bad.

There were parts of the movie I need to see a few more times before I can fully grasp what was being said, or what happened. Not because it was poor dialog, but because there were so many thoughts in my mind that were spawned from the original statement(s) or event(s) that I need to go back and compare some of them to what was actually said or happened.

My opinion: Go see it, but don't expect the entire movie to blow you away. There are some really great parts, and some really ho-hum parts.

nmap used for hax0ry in Matrix: Reloaded!! (5, Interesting)

keyidol (671255) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962308)

This just in from the nmap mailing list..

Hi Everyone. There is a disturbance in the force! You may recall a
couple weeks ago that MS started recommending Nmap on some of their
web pages. That was strange, but I did not foresee the anomalous omens
that would ensue.

Like almost any self-respecting geek, I bought tickets to 'Matrix:
Reloaded' several weeks back (no spoilers, I promise). After all, who
can resist the combination of philosophical mind games and Trinity
(Carrie-Anne Moss) in that tight leather bodysuit?

So after waiting an hour in a line snaking out of the theatre to the
parking lot, I finally got in to my 10pm Wednesday showing. All was
going well until Trinity needed to do some hacking. Oh, no! I was
sure we'd see a silly "Hackers"-esque 3D animated "hacking scene".
Not so! Trinity is as smart as she is seductive! She whips out
Nmap (!!!), scans her target, finds 22/tcp open, and proceeds with an
über ssh technique! I was so surprised, I almost jumped out of my
seat and did the "r00t dance" right there in the theatre!

There can be only one explanation: Carie-Anne has the hots for me!

Now your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to secure a
screen-shot of that few-second episode! Not only is it important for
the coolness factor, but we can learn how Nmap looks in the future by
studying that output! So perhaps some of you gray hats in the
audience have a quality DivX/MPG of the movie already? Let me know if
you do (but no 2GB email attachments please!) Or perhaps someone
could sneak a quiet flashless digital camera into the theatre and take
a shot. But you must react quickly as it is literally only up for a
few seconds (Nmap is actually fast in the future). Do this, and you
will prove that you are truly "the one"! I'll also put your name and
a thumbnail on the front page of Insecure.Org if you send in the best
shot.

In other news, a few people have inquired about further survey
results. Sorry I have been so slow, but things have been very busy.
I'm pretty sure I'll be able to send more by next week. I hope to
have a couple other announcements ready for next week as well!

Keep it real,
Fyodor

Re:nmap used for hax0ry in Matrix: Reloaded!! (0, Troll)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962315)

keep what real?

fucking wannabe

Re:nmap used for hax0ry in Matrix: Reloaded!! (1)

keyidol (671255) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962329)

Well maybe he is encouraging the heroes of the Matrix to take down the artificial world by saving Zion, so that nmap stays real instead of just being a simulation.

Re:nmap used for hax0ry in Matrix: Reloaded!! (2, Interesting)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962319)

cool thing is that really happens in the movie.

Re:nmap used for hax0ry in Matrix: Reloaded!! (2, Interesting)

Fry-kun (619632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962320)

YESSSS!!! I was one of about dozen voices that yelled/laffed out as she was doing just that! unfortunately it was too fast for me to see the whole printout :( guess i'll just have to practice more XD

my $0.02 review (1)

Fry-kun (619632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962310)

CGI. sex. CGI. more CGI. sex with CGI. CGI. sex in CGI... you get the pattern.
Unfortunately, both of the above sell well... hence the showing was sold out.
I have to admit that the fight scenes were really cool on bay area's biggest screen, though :)

*PARTIAL SPOILER WARNING*

If you ask me, the only reasonable explanation for the (somewhat predictable) ending is that the matrix is indeed a simulation WITHIN another simulation, and those that reject the simulated simulation live happily in the REAL simulation.

Re:my $0.02 review (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962340)

my take was that the "hammer" ship was sending out EMPs which gave neo the weird feeling and caused the meanies to short before killing him.

Re:my $0.02 review (1)

Fry-kun (619632) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962349)

what about agent Smith gettin into the "real" world??

I saw it a few hours ago. (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962311)

I stood in line for 3hr to get good seats for the first showing (read a Java book in the time). Lets just say Reloaded was /much/ overrated. The graphics okay and all, but it isn't anything ultra-cool like the first brought (except for the completely CG fight scenes..). There are a few blatantly noticable errors also- the biggest imho being the lack of a driver in the car the agent smashes up (it's in the trailer too). The storyline is kinda blah, and it ends rather abruptly almost like they couldn't find a place to end it. This one is a lot more sex oriented too- within the first 30min there are at least 3 scenes of it. Also this one is plagued by the "funny black guy" syndrom that for some reason is popular in movies for comic relief.

That was my take on the movie at least.. sure I'll get modded to hell for saying bad things about the matrix.

I just have this fear... (1)

Scrab (573004) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962317)

that when I go to see the film, the people at the cinema will tell me I can't, cos.... There Is No Film.....

***Spoiler*** (3, Funny)

NTmatter (589153) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962330)

The following is a major plot spoiler:

About halfway through the movie, it is revealed that spoons *do* exist. (Halfway would be defined as the part that's after the sex, but before the violence).

Overall, this movie is entertaining. It's got lots of eye candy, and it's worth a few good laughs--watching Trinity use "ssh 10.2.2.2 -l root" had the theatre chuckling in their seats.

a little on the extreme side... (4, Insightful)

SaXisT4LiF (120908) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962336)

So after purchasing tickets weeks in advance, waiting 3 hours in line, myself and two other friends just walked out of the advanced screening of Matrix 2, in utter disgust. After a flashy introduction of what we had come to see (stunning gunfights in bullet time and brilliant martial arts) the film turns into a huge primal orgy in Zion. Granted we were expecting the film to expand on Neo and Trinity's romantic affairs, but did we really need to be exposed to Keano Reeves and Carrie Moss having sex? I feel that in this sequel the Watchowski Brothers abandoned all of the philosophical values that Neo personified in the original Matrix. I therefore ask slashdot: are we alone on this opinion?

A review sent to Aint-it-cool-news (4, Interesting)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962343)

First off, I thought the first Matrix movie was great. The most flawless action movie I have ever seen. It blew me away when I first saw it. Every scene was executed well. I enjoy the many levels it can be viewed on--philosophy, religious, or just plain fun--but I don't geek out about it and dress up in a trench coat and sunglasses like one guy did tonight at my theater. The pacing of the movie was perfect and kept driving you to the ultimate realization at the end, which left you waiting to see what happens in the sequel. Many people, including myself, have been waiting since 1999 for this.

To summarize: it was worth the wait. Read on...

Now, I'll start with a pure, non-spoiler review...a review everyone can read with no fear of ruining the story. Unfortunately, it's difficult not to go into details, so I must be vague. The spoiler commentary will be great for you people who have seen the movie and are craving dissection of it as I am and need a catalyst.

The Matrix Reloaded is not entirely what you expect it to be. I read many of the reviews you all have read before I saw the movie tonight. I had my expectations severely lowered because of them, hoping for at least some incredible action sequences. What I realized upon watching is that the tone of this movie is different and aiming for something quite unexpected. It's as though it knows what it did in the first movie and has decided to run with that to fuck with your head. It's a mindjob. It will challenge the assumptions you walked away with from the first movie, and not in the ways you probably have guessed with your friends in an attempt to figure out what twists might be laying ahead in these sequels. There is always the impression something is being kept in store, some big secret twist that will suddenly explain everything.

NON-NEGATIVE STUFF: The action was good. Neo behaves like the One, in that fighting seems incredibly simple to him, almost effortless and second nature, which is good in that we get some incredible choreography. This does seem to render Neo's fight scenes a bit more hollow as there is no character outcome to them as there was in the previous movie (i.e., realization of one's powers, kicking Agent Smith's pompous ass, etc.), but that is made up for in the sheer over-the-top choreography. Also, the CG of the "burly brawl" is in no way as bad as it is being made out to be. Remember when Neo was dodging bullets in the first movie, and you knew it was him, but there was something a bit "off" about the way it looked? That is the effect of these parts. I imagine anyone performing these feats would look unreal to your eyes. The freeway chase scene is as exciting as you're hearing.

This is the kind of movie that leaves you wanting to immediately watch the rest of the story in Revolutions. It is abundantly clear that it is simply part one and does not stand on its own as efficiently (more on that in the spoiler section...a lot is purposely unloaded on you in the last part of the movie and you are left flabbergasted). But because you can't have that until November, you simply want to watch Reloaded again to properly digest it all. This is the kind of movie you spend the rest of the week discussing with your fellow geeks to figure out. Let me tell you, there is much to figure out.

The fight scene music was surprisingly good. Not as pulse-pounding as the first movie's, but more of a techno-epic quality that was refreshing, especially Neo's fight scenes.

This movie is clearly not a rehash of the first one, tone-wise or story-wise. It builds and changes and isn't afraid to veer off somewhere way different. That's a good way to describe it--there are clearly things that are being led up to. A conclusion you don't yet get to see. That is why you get these reviews with people saying the movie was much better on a second viewing, because you're given a taste of what's to come and of what everything else might have meant in retrospect. Dare I call it a puzzle movie?

NON-POSITIVE STUFF: The pacing felt off at the beginning. I think we were all expecting the movie to stand on its own and therefore have a narrative structure that starts somewhere and establishes things, but instead we are thrust right into it. The Two Towers was different in that we were expecting such, and it helped that the first scene was a short reminiscing of the previous movie via the Balrog scene, so we felt "caught up" in a remote way. We're all used to seeing the first Matrix movie, which neatly packs its information together. This movie, however, is not about that. I would go so far as to say that this movie is clearly and purposely more "unfriendly" than the previous one, which was a fun cyberpunk flick with philosophical overtones and some cool concepts. This movie is different and much darker and more experimental. Many critics are taken back because Matrix Reloaded is not what they were expecting. It's not as "fun" and is way more challenging on an intellectual level. Now we know why Joel said people would be "confused as hell."

The pacing was also hindered by certain scenes in Zion (i.e., the so-called "rave" you have no doubt heard about) and some character exposition, common complaints appearing in many reviews. I admit that I would have liked some of it cut, which would have improved things. However, knowing that the Wachowskis love metaphors, mystical references, and hidden meanings, though I felt a little extended by the presentation, I was satisfied that there was a reason for its existence. Even Morpheus' speech and the ensuing "rave" was what I took to be some statement on the human condition (remember, "to deny our own impulses is to deny that which makes us human"). I don't think I am reading too much into things or attempting to justify their length by attaching meaning. Hell, people find meaning in the freaking window washers of the first film. I just thought they were an amusing distraction for Mr. Anderson.

Anyway, people who are saying the movie over-philosophized aren't entirely correct; what was being said was important, but there were simply too many sentences used to get it out. You start waiting for a conversation to move to a different shot, but instead you get another line of dialogue and a response (usually a question). However, this changes upon the second viewing, which I will explain below. It's an odd criticism in that it feels like it will go away on repeat viewings. It can be hard to swallow the first time around. I'm already dying to have this movie on DVD so I can analyze it forever. That's what kind of movie this is. My big fear is that none of it will be as intriguing once it's all unraveled in the final film...unless they present things in a way that explain what we saw, yet leave the viewer endlessly pondering even greater questions about the nature of it.

The symphonic music parts were a little disappointing. They seemed so perfectly placed before, but aren't as well utilized as I would have liked. Luckily, they do not stand out enough to bother you, but that is the problem--they don't stand out. My favorite bit of music is still that bit when Neo realizes he is the One and is effortlessly stopping bullets. There are moments like that in this movie, but not as many.

ABOUT A SECOND VIEWING: For you non-spoiler types, I will explain what people mean by this. I didn't understand what the hell they were talking about until I finally saw the movie. As I was watching it, with all its talk of choice and reasons and purpose, I got the distinct impression I was being taken somewhere...i.e., there was a point and purpose behind it all. Much of the things that seemed blocky and confusing seem to be heading somewhere after the conclusion of the film. No doubt, many of you have heard of a "twist" at the end. That is an understatement. There is something going on there that renders everything previous to it somehow meaningful, as though it was all being led up to that moment. Obviously we will discover the true meanings behind them in the final film. I will sum it up in this way: the Wachowskis sought to fuck you up. They fucked up your expectations of a fight scene, and they fucked up the perceptions you drew from the first film.

*SPOILER DISCUSSION*

Okay, so what the hell was up with the Architect (an obvious God symbol)? Zion has been destroyed and rebuilt six times? Neo is stopping Sentinels in the real world? Are we dealing with a matrix-in-a-matrix scenario? Has Neo entered a separate matrix where he has saved Trinity and Zion is destroyed? Remember, nobody has ever chosen the other door.

A hundred questions hit your mind in the last 30 minutes of the movie. They purposely intended to mess with everything you took from the first movie, which I admit was refreshing for a sequel (it is in the style of Empire Strikes Back, but on an extreme level). Unlike Harry, I had no problem with Zion apparently being destroyed without our being shown, because it was supposed to shock you in that way (besides, in the preview for Revolutions, you see swirls of Sentinels, so they're not out of the picture yet). Neo has chosen the other door, and all of the sudden you find out Zion has been destroyed and the prophecy is apparently false ("another system of control"). It was obviously intended to just trash everything and render you in shock (it did), and I don't think it's a valid criticism at all.

Let's face it; entire essays on the philosophical and religious implications could be written, so I'll just run through a bunch of fun things my brain picked up or concocted:

- First off, those of you who have seen the film should go here to Dave Poland's discussion: http://www.moviecitynews.com/hot_button/2003/03051 3b_tue.htm. It asks all of the questions I asked after seeing the film, particularly regarding the Oracle and the possibility of Neo being a program.

- Now I know why Zion seems to lack specifically white or black people. If Zion has been repopulated so many times, those initial 24 people chosen for each rebuild were likely a mix of races, which disintegrated the race barriers somewhat over time. Interesting...if that is indeed the case.

- The One is simply a source of control. I took that to mean that anybody could become the one if they chose to, because choice was the best system. Remember in the first movie when Morpheus said there was a difference between knowing the path and walking the path, and the Oracle acted accordingly by telling Neo he wasn't the One? Being the One is an act of will.

- The Architect scene was a mind-boggling scene. And the guy was obviously directed to talk fast and long and generally be confusing as hell (like God, haha). I love those monitors, which were present in the first movie at the start of the interrogation scene. So, apparently, a perfect world is not possible because humans require choice. Therefore, systems of choice are in play in the Matrix, and as a result, anomalies like the One are possible. So Zion is destroyed and restarted, and the One teaches them? Does that mean they become an Oracle themselves? Is Neo a program like the Oracle? Was the Oracle once a One like Neo and is teaching the current generation of Zion?

- It seemed all those monitors were referencing the idea of infinite universities. We even kept flying through some and entering those "timelines." Gotta love how all the timelines were in denial at the same time. As the Architect said, denial is the most predictable of emotions. Gotta love his sterile yet somehow nasty observation of the emotion forming in Neo's head.

- The dream in the beginning isn't false. It is the agent who smashes into the car. Neat.
Somehow, Neo has become connected with the machines. He senses the agents, and he stops Sentinels and subsequently enters a coma. It is clear that Neo and Agent Smith share some sort of connection. Whether it is due to some more philosophical reason, or simply because Neo "entered" Smith in the first film, we don't know.

- The sexuality displayed in the film surprised me. At first I thought it was an attempt just to be raunchy for raunchy's sake, but as I said before, I trusted that there was a reason for it being there. From Neo's seemingly never-ending love scene to the "Matrix vision cum shot" (gotta steal that wonderful phrase from another review), I was still a bit surprised because it seemed out of place. Could you imagine such a cum shot in the first film? It just felt out of the blue.

- Persephone wasn't really explained. Why the need to kiss Neo? What was that scene for, really? I know from reading online that she steals emotions because she has none, but it isn't said in the film, unless I missed it, and I don't think I did.

- I can't wait to see what Agent Smith does in the real world.

- Was the Matrix truly "reloaded?"

Well, I'm going to see the film again tomorrow. I'm also looking for a transcription of the Architect's little diatribe. Mind-boggling. The movie is worth seeing if only to challenge your assumptions about the first one. The implications are staggering.

I hope you enjoy it like I did, but don't expect a Matrix 2. Expect a Matrix Reloaded. That statement is truer than you realize.

Gratuitous CG scenes! (4, Interesting)

mrklin (608689) | more than 11 years ago | (#5962353)

There have always been moviews with gratuitous nude scenes (yes, some of you may argue that there is no such thing but that's another discussion).

This movie has so many gratuitous CG scenes i.e. the 10 minute ship docking scene that does nothing to advance the story it made me think I am watching Star Wars II (the addition of a monotonous council did not help).

Down With Love (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#5962358)

Gee, I'd rather watch Renée Zellweger's new movie Down With Love. Hey how about a review? Of course it is a movie for normal heterosexual people so I imagine it wouldn't appeal to any of the Slashdot editors.
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