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Critics Pan Nemesis

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the bombs-away dept.

Movies 1058

CgiJobs writes "The critics aren't much impressed with the new Star trek: "The 10th entry in the Star Trek movie franchise ... is the dullest and drabbest of the lot"; "this ship-bound and lackluster entry tells a rather harebrained story"; "suffers from a nasty case of the cutes"; More at Google News. Of course, I'll still be going to see it." Calling this movie the worst of the series is a pretty harsh criticism...

Reader NCC1701E submitted a short write-up on the movie:

"First, the executive summary: wait for the video. Now, the Gory Details, in all their splendor. I somehow received an email invitation to an advance screening to the Paramount Theater in Times Square, here in NYC. I had to wait in line for 30 minutes, and there was some confusion in swapping my email print out for a pass. But they didn't even check names against a list; it was basically first-come, first served among those who had been inveigled there through various means. In the end, there were even some empty seats. The movie itself? Basically disappointing. IMHO, the weakest entry yet in the series. Production values and special effects were excellent. And it was great to see the movie in a big theater with Dolby sound. But NEMESIS is little more than a Western type "shoot out" movie. The bad guys attack. The good guys fight back, Then, there's more attacking and more fighting back. Then it happens again. And again. You get the idea. I'm a sucker for the hokey humanism that was the hallmark of Star Trek at its best. There was very little of that on display here. In fact, there was very little in the way of a plot. Just some mildly amusing cutesy scenes, plus some murky musings about the nature vs. nuture debate re: a Picard clone. So I didn't much care for the movie. And judging by the subdued response in the theater, neither did the audience. BTW, NY audiences can be cruel. This one snickered at corny lines that weren't supposed to be funny. The phrase "derisive laughter" leaps to mind. I predict NEMESIS will be a huge box office hit. But long-time fans may be as disappointed as I was."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881293)

fp bitches!!!!

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881324)

do you have nothing better to do than refresh /. until a new story is posted?

Re:fp (0, Offtopic)

Romothecus (553103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881334)

Actually he probably has a bot that does it for him.

Re: a bot. (-1)

Salad Shooter (600065) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881436)

Yeah, your mom. She presses F5 in-between pelvic thrusts.

What does she press F5 with? Her nose of course.

Truth hurts, and now so does her ass.

Star Trek sucks! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881297)

The Deathstar could whip the Enterprise's politically correct ass!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881505)

Star Trek movies think *you* suck!

first post (-1, Offtopic)

dlh (592854) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881299)

first post

can't be worse than (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881301)

Can't be any worse than Star Trek XXIV - Scotty passes a stone

First post? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881304)

Weeee!

Too bad (2, Redundant)

r_j_prahad (309298) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881306)

That blows the snot out of the old "even episodes good", "odd episodes bad" theorem. Or was that the other way around? I can never remember....

Re:Too bad (3, Informative)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881343)

It's easy to remember:

Think about Star Trek V. Shudder. There ya go.

Re:Too bad (5, Informative)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881351)

Yes, it's odd == bad, even == good.

And there were some very very good reviews [nbc4.tv] of nemesis as well!

Re:Too bad (1)

FosterSJC (466265) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881374)

Just think: "Which one was The Final Frontier?" Number 5. And, 5 is odd. Just work back (ugh, and forward to Generations) from there.

Re:Too bad (2)

tbmaddux (145207) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881387)

That blows the snot out of the old "even episodes good", "odd episodes bad" theorem.
Unfortunately the theorem hinges on Star Trek 6 not being "bad;" I'd argue you could only describe it as "good" compared to the excruciating Star Trek 5. It looks more like the TNG movies are slipping (Insurrection, now this) just like the TOS movies did (Final Frontier, then Undiscovered Country).

Plus, they cut Wil. The movie therefore must suck.

BAH (-1, Interesting)

Romothecus (553103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881307)

I feel there are some inherent problems with movie criticism. The problem is that most people who review things are the very people who seem to have the most hang ups about that thing. This makes their reviews worthless to the rest of us who simply enjoy watching movies or reading books. So Mr. Moviereviewerman, you think Nemesis had a "derivative, punch-the-keyboard plot." You think it was "crude, but occasionally laugh-out-loud funny, merely for its sheer ridiculousness." You think that a movie like Nemesis is just too far below your standards. Well I bet you twenty bucks you have a painting in your house that you bought because it matched your couch, how pedestrian.

Re:BAH - Give Credit... (4, Informative)

c_jonescc (528041) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881359)

...where it's due damnit.

Gabe from Penny Arcade said this exact paragraph earlier in the week about Equilibrium.

Seriously, citing Gabe on this wouldn't effect the moderation you get, and it's pretty lame to steal words just to karma whore.

Hey there smarty pants! (-1)

Salad Shooter (600065) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881464)

You sure are a clever fuck, huh? Ever heard of a troll?

Fucking moron, shut the fuck up.

This is from Penny Arcade (1)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881392)

Unless Gabe started mumbling in Penny Arcade forums, you sir have ripped this quote from the Penny Arcade website... I'm confused how you were modded up.

well there you have it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881422)

since Penny Arcade is about as pedestrian and spoo as it gets, no one cares anymore.

fnord!

You Fucking Cut and Paste Hack (1, Redundant)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881396)

yeah, I think that Tycho [penny-arcade.com] said something like this yesterday, sans the Nemesis wording. He was talking about Equilibrium. At least give the author credit when stealing his work. You fucking cut and paste karma whore.

Re:You Fucking Cut and Paste Hack (2)

Raptor CK (10482) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881470)

It's a rip alright, but Gabe wrote it, not Tycho.

Either way, he's getting karma for cutting and pasting, but let's give credit where it's due.

Re:BAH (1)

zaal (29646) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881432)

Movie criticism has always been, and always will be, some of the least objective forms. Watching a movie, or any other form of art, is a very personal thing and it's very hard not to allow personal things to cloud your judgement. So I will be seeing this flick. If for no other reason than to finish off story of that timeline in the ST universe.

Re:BAH (1, Redundant)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881477)

As others have pointed out, this is a blatent cut-and-paste plagiarizing from a rant Gabe at PA had about Equilibrium this past week. Please moderate accordingly.

Re:BAH (1)

Sleepy (4551) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881507)

What a coincidence:
http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:s33jDY3bjPwC: www.penny-arcade.com/+%22Equilibrium+%22+%22most+p eople+who+review+things+are+the+very+people+who+se em+to+have+the+most+hang+ups%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en&i e=UTF-8 [216.239.53.100]

Moderators: don't waste karma modding this post up. I'm just building upon the comments aside my own post. (save the karma for the Score:1 postings and the occasional jewel AC post). Personally, I suspect most Karma whoring here is done to build up points for troll-building. Because of the filtering Slashdot attempts to use to PREVENT this, it has the net effect of NEVER selecting capped karma folks like myself (I post 2x a week and that's not enough stupidity to get knocked off my Karma cap).

Re:BAH (in denial) (4, Insightful)

gosand (234100) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881514)

I feel there are some inherent problems with movie criticism. The problem is that most people who review things are the very people who seem to have the most hang ups about that thing. This makes their reviews worthless to the rest of us who simply enjoy watching movies or reading books. So Mr. Moviereviewerman, you think Nemesis had a "derivative, punch-the-keyboard plot." You think it was "crude, but occasionally laugh-out-loud funny, merely for its sheer ridiculousness." You think that a movie like Nemesis is just too far below your standards. Well I bet you twenty bucks you have a painting in your house that you bought because it matched your couch, how pedestrian.

Wow, are you in denial! You sound like one of those "fans" who think just because something has been branded with a franchise name, it can do no wrong.

You probably still defend Star Wars Episode I and II as "pretty good movies" when they were simply AWFUL. The most recent Austin Powers movie was sad and simply un-funny, although I am sure die-hard fans will say they liked it.

I don't get the devotion to things like this. I guess if people live through lives and events that are not their own, they get offended and embarassed when those things turn out to be disappointing.

Yes, they are only movies - but why can't everyone see that? Why cling to the illusion that something is better than it really was, simply because you hope and wish it to be so? Jeez, if you don't care what a reviewer says, and are going to go see a movie anyway, then why take so much stock in the reviewer? In my opinion, reviewers are sometimes nicer than they should be, instead of what you suggest. Every review of AoTC gave some praise to it, but I just didn't see it. I would put it up there with some of the most overhyped movies of all time (including Episode I). Stop clinging to your illusions and come back to reality. Why the hostility towards a reviewer when you haven't even seen the movie yet yourself? All you have on your side of the argument is that the person must have a hang up about Star Trek? Physician, heal thyself.

Harsh criticism? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881308)

Frankly, calling the movie the best in the series would be harsh criticism..

harsh criticism (2)

dirvish (574948) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881319)

Calling this movie the worst of the series is a pretty harsh criticism...

Harsh indeed. There have been some really crappy ones! A few were good but most are lame, especially the last couple. This will be a rental.

Check out Rotten Tomatoes (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881321)

Wow, talk about picking out the bad reviews. At rottentomatoes.com, the movie stands at about 50% positive reviews, with over 85% of the more popular reviewers thinking it was good.

I'm going to pretend I didnt read this... (1, Insightful)

override11 (516715) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881325)

I'm going to pretend I didnt read this and go see the movie tomorrow anyways. I was getting really jazzed about seeing it, and reading that its not all that good was... Disappointing to say the least!

the WORST? (5, Funny)

SomeGuyFromCA (197979) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881326)

If it's worse than Final Frontier - which, according to official continuity, never happened, it's gotta be pretty bad at that.

Then again, the plot reads like they're merging the "Picard's son" ep of TNG with the plot of Wrath of KHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN! So it just might be that bad.

Re:the WORST? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881349)

> - which, according to official continuity, never happened,

You mean, of course, "- which, according to official continuity, never happened -". This basic grammar mistake invalidates the entire point of your post and proves you to be a sadist, a terrorist, a moron, and a Republican.

You must have flunked out of grammar school. YOur opinion doesn't matter at all. See the value of using correct grammar?

"Incorrect use of language in a written only forum is comparable to slurring your words and wearing a filthy suit while giving a speech."

Re:the WORST? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881407)

Oh, c'mon, mod.

> sadist, a terrorist, a moron, and a Republican

This was fine irony. Funny, too.

Re:the WORST? (1)

IndependentVik (582582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881474)

Where exactly is it written that Final Frontier never happened?

Re:the WORST? (1)

nucal (561664) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881482)

In the one where Captain Kirk wakes up and discovers that it was all a dream ...

As previously reported (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881327)

As previously reported, openDK() [fazigu.org] was instrumental in the takedown of the FX render farm.

I wonder how much of this is quality . . . (5, Interesting)

Badgerman (19207) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881328)

. . . and how much is culture.

I think that the general public is kind of tired of Star Trek. Some of the reviews I saw sounded like the same negative comments made about the "First Gen" cast.

We've also had plenty of other sci-fi series to come around - Babylon 5, Farscape, X-files. Maybe Star Trek doesn't hold the same place in people's hearts.

Re:I wonder how much of this is quality . . . (1)

Pionar (620916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881495)

We've also had plenty of other sci-fi series to come around - Babylon 5, Farscape, X-files. Maybe Star Trek doesn't hold the same place in people's hearts

I'm not that big of a sci-fi fan, and I still loved ST, especially TNG. I thought they were just good action shows.

Re:I wonder how much of this is quality . . . (5, Insightful)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881510)

Maybe Star Trek doesn't hold the same place in people's hearts.

And it's about time. Fans have become disillusioned with both Star Wars and Star Trek in recent years. Former strongholds of geekdom, they identified us to the general public, they labelled us. I hate being labelled. And there is so much better Science Fiction out there (most of it in written format), and now some people may discover that. I always hated hearing someone call themselves a Star Wars or Star Trek geek and then I ask them "Have you read Asimov, Heinlein, Bear, Benford, Brin, Adams, Niven, Pournelle?" And the answer was invariably "Huh?". Sad. So much more out there.

The worst of the bunch? (5, Funny)

ar1550 (544991) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881329)

"The 10th entry in the Star Trek movie franchise ... is the dullest and drabbest of the lot

So I take it that I'm not the only one who has repressed the horrible memory of seeing Star Trek V.

...gently down the stream...

Re:The worst of the bunch? (4, Funny)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881368)

There was a fifth one?

Re:The worst of the bunch? (2)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881385)

Bah, IMHO, that pales in comparison to the experience of seing Generations on the big screen. *shudder*

Re:The worst of the bunch? (2)

johnalex (147270) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881418)

I saw V once. The memory still haunts me.

Re:The worst of the bunch? (1)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881450)

As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek V has the same place in my heart as Leisure Suit Larry IV: The Case of the Missing Floppies......

You're right and wrong (5, Funny)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881458)

It is BECAUSE they've repressed the memory that they FORGET that V really was the worst Star Trek of all time, arguably in serious competition with bad movies in general.

Leonard Nimoy versus William Shatner as directors -- the choice is logical.

V was so bad it made the fairly forgettable III and VI look epic and skillful. Apparently Shatner did not get to do in the climax of V what he's wanted, and if he had, the movie would have at least been funny.

Still, (1)

rczyzewski (585306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881330)

I'll see it and enjoy it no matter how good or bad. It's like watching your favorite sports team. They have good years and bad years, but you still watch for the fun and excitement. There's always a good scene or two you can take with you.

Re:Still, (2, Insightful)

bboypicknick (596730) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881465)

I'd put a quote, but the previous post pretty much is just a quote. Anyway, this is the way I look at Star Wars. You almost have to. When I was a little kid, I loved the (Star Wars) movies because the blasters were pretty and the characters were funny. I'd hate to start a Jarjar-bashing festival, especially because this is a bit off-subject in the first place.



I just want everyone to quit taking their entertainment so seriously.

The Preview release (3, Funny)

Punk Walrus (582794) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881332)

The preview release they sent out to the reviewers was apparently so bad, that one of my best Star Trek fan (he has a ship/club thing, leather jacket with logo on it, etc) friends said it was a embrassing as watching your best friend get drunk and try to get a date with a stripper.

"It's not even a good two-parter," he sobbed.

Rubbish. (-1, Troll)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881333)


Troi has boobs. Star Trek good. Nuff said.

Re:Rubbish. (1)

Punk Walrus (582794) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881352)

Troi has boobs. Star Trek good. Nuff said.

Harlan Ellison? Is that you? I thought you were dead!

Re:Rubbish. (1)

haruchai (17472) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881504)

I've seen Ms. Sirtis partially nude in at least one forgettable flick. Never thought much about her bod.

While I've always loved Star Trek, the old cast were more appealing than those on the Next Generation. If fact, I even prefer the cast of Voyager to that of TNG, except for Picard, Wesley and Worf.

Bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881339)

I'll still go see it, so what if the critics say its bad, I've very rarly agreed with the critics anyway.

Like any Sci-Fi movie, I take them with a grain of salt. There are very few made that can be called great, and usually their only saving factor is the special effects, which the critic said were good. So thats enough incentive for me :D

It all went downhill when Gene died (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881342)

There's a rather clear and definable moment where Star Trek's quality suffered a containment breach. The moment Gene Roddenberry died.

The original series was a classic, and he led TNG well. However, after his death Deep Space Nine spun out of control, Voyager was an ugly stepchild from the start, and now Enterprise can't keep its story consistant with the events of the Kirk era that happen 100 years later.

Re:It all went downhill when Gene died (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881389)

Deep Space Nine was great (although the ending kinda sucked, especially in comparison to Babylon 5's). Also, First Contact kicked ass. Voyager however blew, and ruined the once cool and powerful Borg.

You're wrong, DS9 was not a great Star Trek series (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881519)

The thing I loved about Star Trek was the underlying idea that we could eventually solve our problems. They showed us a time when we were approaching this. Until DS9 came along and had to invent a bunch of internal strife and conflict.
While I did eventually watch DS9, I tended to try to seperate it from the rest of the series to hide my disappointment and just viewed it as a seperate action series.

Re:It all went downhill when Gene died (4, Insightful)

evilpenguin (18720) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881497)

Aw, baloney. Gene Roddenberry was the author all that was hokum in Star Trek. He was the force that winnowed the soul out several stories. He was the gloryhog who constantly took credit for the work of others. He had no control over any of the movies except for the dismal first one. I would say that the quality of TNG leapt forward upon his death. That it is spirialing down now is more a measure of idea exhaustion than the lack of the "Great Bird of the Galaxy."

Gene loved being benevolent head of a benign cult and would tell lie upon lie to maintain that position. See Harlan Ellison's book version of his script "The City on the Edge of Forever" for an unvarnished look at Trek Trough.

Believe what you will, but tell the truth you know.

Re:It all went downhill when Gene died (2)

ddstreet (49825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881520)

There's a rather clear and definable moment where Star Trek's quality suffered a containment breach. The moment Gene Roddenberry died.

Ain't that the truth. Roddenberry kept a tight rein on the Trek universe, keeping everything consistent and in line with his vision of that universe. It made everyone happy, the true fans who keep track of technical details and other minor stuff like character personalities. Then when he died Hollywood (ahem, Braga) took over and it became a cross between an outer-space soap opera and Western shoot-em-up. Trek universe laws were either downplayed or completely ignored (ahem, Enterprise, it may look 'sexy', but Vulcan chicks don't like to get semi-nude rubdowns, even if it's for "decontamination"...). Character consistency was no longer important, and eventually, with new people and series, character developement was dropped in favor of sex and violence. I mean sure, there was sex and violence in the original series and TNG, but you need a fucking plot and real character development!

I stopped watching after TNG. All the rest have been utter crap, and it pains me to be reminded that they carry the Star Trek name. It is for sure not the same universe.

What about Star Trek V? (1)

SoVi3t (633947) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881346)

Not a big trekkie (don't kill me!), but don't most fans of Star Trek claim that Star Trek V was the worst in the history of Star Trek (including Shatner himself?) I may be mistaken though (I am referring to the Star Trek where the crew is caught in a battle between what was SUPPOSED to be God and the Devil).

Re:What about Star Trek V? (1)

EvilBudMan (588716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881496)

Maybe I'm crazy, but I liked the Final Frontier better than the first one. It had a good story with bad acting, but isn't that what makes Star Trek, Star Trek?

the last ones (1)

benfoldsfan (242486) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881347)

were pretty bad. i especially didn't like the one where piccard was all fascinated with the chick from that race could slow down time with thier minds. it was like they were having mind sex for 45 minutes.

In Soviet Russia (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881356)

Nemesis pans critics.

Wesley could have saved it with Open Source! (1, Redundant)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881358)

He would have installed Linux on the Borg Collective, and when they tried to install Interstellar Explorer, they'd set off a Blue Screen of Death and earth would have been safe!

REDUNDANT? (0)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881476)

What?? That can't be right, that's the funniest thing I've read all day!

Re:Wesley could have saved it with Open Source! (3, Funny)

ForceOfWill (79529) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881483)

they'd set off a Blue Screen of Death and earth would have been safe!

You mean Earth would have been in safe mode :-)

Worse than The Final Frontier? (4, Informative)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881360)

I seriously doubt that this could possibly be worse than Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, which was one of the worst movies OF ALL TIME, if not THE WORST.

The movie script was written by William Shatner during a Hollywood writer's strike. Shatner demonstrated quite clearly that he should stick to acting.

Re:Worse than The Final Frontier? (2)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881484)

What about Shatner's Tekwar books? They seem to have made a pretty successful TV series. (I don't know whether Tekwar is any good though, because while I've flagged it in my TV preferences I haven't watched it yet because it clashes with Xena on another channel.)

The Indian WAY! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881372)

Barbara Walters was doing a documentary on the customs of American Indians.

While touring a reservation during the documentary she was puzzled as to why the difference in the number of feathers in the headdresses.

So she asked a brave who only had one feather in his headdress, his reply was: "Me only have one woman. One woman ... one feather."

Feeling the first fellow was only joking she asked another brave.

This brave had two feathers in his headdress and he replied, "Me have two women. Two women ... two feathers."

Still not convinced the feathers indicated the number of sexual partners involved, she decided to interview the Chief.

Now the Chief had a headdress full of feathers. Which, needless to say amused Ms.Walters. She asked the Chief, "Why do you have so many feathers in your headdress?"

The Chief proudly pounded his chest and said, "Me Chief, me fuck'em all. Big, small, fat and tall, me fuck'em all."

Horrified, Ms. Walters stated, "You ought to be hung."

The Chief said, "You damn right me hung. Big like buffalo, long like snake."

Ms. Walters cried, "You don't have to be so hostile."

The Chief replied, "Hoss-style, dog-style, wolf-style, any style...me fuck'em all."

With tears in her eyes, Ms. Walters cried, "Oh dear."

The Chief said, "No deer. Ass too high, run too fast."

FUCKING NERDS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881377)

On the moon, nerds have their pants pulled down, and they are spanked with moon rocks.

Now you drop those sweatpants!

Hrm... (5, Interesting)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881378)

Of course, all the geeks around here will buy the DVD so we can see Wil Wheaton's deleted scene... :P

It's to bad it didn't turn out so well. They seemed to really have something with First Contact. I mean, with all the money they spend on special effects why can't they hire a good writer create an interesting world to put them in?

It's to bad, too. I'm not a huge star-trek fan, but I was hoping this would be good, and at least worth seeing, given this is going to be the last one with this cast, and thus the last one worth seeing ever (probably)

I mean, who want's to see a Deep Space 9 movie, or *gag* voyager!?

Re:Hrm... (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881471)

Of course, all the geeks around here will buy the DVD so we can see Wil Wheaton's deleted scene... :P
Considering how Wil was treated [wilwheaton.net] (scroll down to 'Sadtimes') this past week by Rick Farking Berman, I don't believe I'll spending a penny more on the franchise, in any form.

Did the Houston Chronicle reviewer watch it? (2)

SpiceWare (3438) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881381)

'Star Trek' falters with weak, uninspired villain [chron.com]
former Trek star Wil Wheaton is reduced to the level of an extra upon his return.
I thought CleverNickName [slashdot.org] had been cut?

Re:Did the Houston Chronicle reviewer watch it? (2)

Visigothe (3176) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881454)

His speaking lines were cut, but you can still see him ...barely... in the beginning of the film.. and he's in the credits

Critics (5, Informative)

MoonFacedAssassin (539728) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881382)

The critics aren't much impressed with the new Star trek...

Since when have the critics ever been impressed with Star Trek? I take anything a critic says with a grain of salt.

Gotta agree with Ebert... (2)

jpellino (202698) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881383)

Outa steam (or antimatter) for sure. And at 44, I was raised on this stuff, waited on queue for the original movie, tore my hair out when the local tv station pre-empted The Best Of Both Worlds part II for over a month, can't watch Boston Public without expecting you know who to show up with facial hardware, etc. etc... There was a time when the disembarking of a reborn Enterprise to the strains of the main theme could just about bring tears to my eyes, but I honestly can't tease apart the plots of the last few movies. Especially when the strength of the show this crew was on is on a par with the movies, this stuff is beginning to taste too much like a Pokemon or Croc Hunter movie. Ouch, but hey.

As good as Star Wars (2)

sludg-o (120354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881390)

I had the TV on providing background noise last night, and someone called it "As good as the last Star Wars". I laughed to myself wondering if it was an insult to AOTC or not. I guess now I know.

I'm a techie and a trekie (5, Insightful)

Nevermore-Spoon (610798) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881391)

Let me start with something that seems trollish....Reviewers (in general) are full of CRAP. Reviewers hardly ever seem to review a movie in a way that reflects public opinion.
They have thier reputation at stake, and that reputation is among a snobbie group of follow-the-common-review-sentiment. I will not allow a reviewers opinion affect my enjoyment of the movie.
May I also liken a "Movie Critic's" review of a startrek movie to a M$ employee's review of the latest linux kernel. I'm a techie and a trekie and those outside those worlds don't often understand me.

Re:I'm a techie and a trekie (1)

monadicIO (602882) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881445)

Reviewers (in general) are full of CRAP. Reviewers hardly ever seem to review a movie in a way that reflects public opinion.

Well, other than the filthiest of them all (Yes, our own filthy critic), I agree with you. If I went to every movie that was given "two enthusiastic thumbs up", I'd be sad, sad, and depressed. I think critics need some desperate metamoderation.

Action movies in general... (1)

monadicIO (602882) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881399)

But NEMESIS is little more than a Western type "shoot out" movie. The bad guys attack. The good guys fight back, Then, there's more attacking and more fighting back. Then it happens again. And again. You get the idea.

Not that I support this movie, but I'd really have to think quite a bit to come up with one popular action movie that does not have the basic story line that you describe. (Of course, few can do it with the finesse that Itchy and Scratchy do it.)

I think more people watch action movies these days for the ``non-action'' parts rather than what it really is all about - the good guys beating the s**t out of the baddies. Is that good? I know not!

*yawn*.. (5, Funny)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881409)

Ensign... set a course for bargin bin at local video store...

ENGAGE!

Nemesis... (2)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881411)

Ah, what do the critics know?

It's tough with something like science fiction. If, like most big-name critics, you are slightly suspicious the genre is tricked-up low-brow, then you come in with an attitude that make it harder to enjoy the movie or understand the willingness of those who do like it to view minor deficiencies in, ahem, plot for the larger vision of the film.

I'm sure books and scads of boring dissertations have been written on this question of how the critic is culturally situated. :)

More to the point, if you really like a scorecard of critics more than the well-argued view of an individual critic you trust (or perhaps just the recommendation of a friend with discriminating tatse), this site [go.com] continually tallies and links to new reviews. Looks pretty evenly divided at the moment. Check elsewhere [go.com] for tabulation of all current films.

Sounds like a good movie anyway (5, Interesting)

Mothra the III (631161) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881413)

I am not sure what these reviewers are looking for in a Star Trek movie. It has good special effects and a lot of action and thats what I want to see on the big screen. If you want a bunch of character development you can watch the 10 years of back episodes they show every day on TV. These movies are supposed to be fun. If you would rather see a movie with more depth I am sure they will be churning out another 4 hour Jane Autin novel movie in the near future

Hmmm... (2, Insightful)

GeckoX (259575) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881415)

He doesn't like action and shootouts in star trek and pines for the sappy crap that is apparently missing here.

Well that settles it for me, this one might even be better than Wrath according to his description!

Bet he's seen search for spock like 50 times.

oh no (1)

shapiro (633964) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881421)

funny, because i know in my soul that nothing can be worse that the first star trek movie, veger made me want to die

No way! (0, Flamebait)

Pyrion (525584) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881426)

It can't possibly be as bad as Star Trek V: The Search for Jebus!

I propose a Corollary... (3, Insightful)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881431)

...to the even-odd Star Trek movie rule. Here is a revised summary:
  • Even numbered Trek movies are good.
  • Odd numbered Trek movies are bad.
  • The last movie of a "generation" is always bad.

There -- now us geeks can go on with our lives.

Rotten Tomatoes (3, Informative)

klasker (861) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881452)

I think "panned" is a relative concept here. Rotten Tomatoes gives it a 51% positive rank [rottentomatoes.com] and concidering the SF-bias in the media, I think it's probably safe to assume this is an entertaining movie for the average Star Trek fan. I'm sorry to see the Next Generation go.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881453)

The movie reviews YOU!

Let me guess the plot (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881456)

In this film, it is revealed that the whole of the Next Generation TV series was a dream. 'I am your father, Wesley'. Riker turns out to be an android. Then it all ends with a big song and dance number.

The Tomatometer gives it a solid 51% (1)

DaveOf9thKey (599178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881461)

Everyone's favorite movie review compilation site, Rotten Tomatoes [rottentomatoes.com] , gives Nemesis a pretty solid 51% rating, with the big name reviewers rating in at 88%. Full details here. [rottentomatoes.com]

For a franchise movie such as this, that's not so bad. Die Another Day got a 59% rating, and the Rush Hour series usually scores in the 50s. I have a feeling Nemesis will get exactly the same numbers from Trek fans.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881467)

we've seen it all! What else is there to make more star treks? They should just let it R.I.P

Bad news for Paramount (1)

szquirrel (140575) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881468)

Considering that Die Another Day might only just barely break even, seeing the $80-million Nemesis flop is not going to look good on the 2002 bottom line. So much for getting fat off the big franchise sequels.

Or maybe I'm just smoking crack (1)

szquirrel (140575) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881492)

Becuase Bond is MGM. Go me.

3 Bombs from Mr. Cranky (2)

niola (74324) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881469)

Mr. Cranky gave it three bombs! It can't be that bad then :) If it was really bad it would have gotten mushroom cloud - "Proof that Jesus died in vein" :)

http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/startreknemesis.h tm l

PS - he apparently doesn't like Will Wheaton much :) LOL

Tomato Meter! (1)

MrPerfekt (414248) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881478)

The Tomato Meter [rottentomatoes.com] says 88% for Cream of the Crop. Which is pretty good even though there's only 8 or so reviews right now.

Shrug! The non-cream of the crop people generally don't have extremely good taste anyway.

Data goes wiggy? (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881485)

Lemme guess, the plot was derivative because Data goes wiggy and takes over the Enterprise while all major bridge personal are trapped in a malicious holodeck program. Then, just in time, Q changes space time physics just enough for LaForge to completely rebuild the entire engineering system of the Enterprise, thereby rescuing Picard, et al. from the grips of the holodeck in time to make an emotive speech about human individuality which impresses the Borg so much that they just go the heck home.

OK, so I haven't seen the movie. Call it a hunch...

who believes critics (2)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881491)



one thing i've learned never follow the critics. Movies are a personal like or dislike from style donw to cinimatography and content. Citizen Kain is the most boring movie I have ever seen. I will admit the trailers I've seen dont entice me that much. I was sure they would have come up againts the heart of the borge empire by now.

okay ... seriously ... (3, Interesting)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881498)

Calling this movie the worst of the series is a pretty harsh criticism... Have you not seen The Wrath of Kahn. Revenge, Emotion, and of course destroying a ship. I'm happy to no hear any reports of the enterprise being destroyed in this movie, I was really afraid as time progressed we'd see the Enterprise 1701-AA and that'd just be weird.

But anyways back to Star Trek, here's the thing people, there's one thing to being a fan and there's another to dedicate your lifestyle to it. Fans enjoy watching the films and know the characters and MIGHT own some memorabilia. HOWEVER, if you dress up in star trek outfits, and would consider yourself a Dorn Groupie, then you are no longer a fan, you are obsessed with it all. Fans won't correct if I'm right or wrong about Star Trek facts.

Star Trek may not follow the same plot/storyline as its previous movies, but for a series of movies and television shows this long, wouldn't it be absolutely boring if all they did was rescue disparaged refugees all the time??

I'm going to see it, probably two or three times because this one looks like a story builder where you can get more into the movie and there's not just unexplainable things (IE: Q) that can just make things unexplainable acceptable. New aliens, new weapons, and new characters will make this one a good edition to the Star Trek series.

Lastly, what the hell did you expect from a movie called Nemesis (enemy of equal power), them to go hug and kiss? NO! there gunna fight because that's what they do.

Don't Complain (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4881506)

Hey, if the movie stinks, it's largely the fault of people who say "oh well, I know the plot stinks, but I'll go and see it anyway." The only thing Hollyweird really comprehends is money... if people keep flocking to the theaters to watch computer generated explosions, well, by golly, Hollywood will keep delivering more of the same.

If you want the quality of stories to improve, tell it to Hollywood in the language they understand. If the writing stinks, and you KNOW in advance that it stinks, don't bother with the theater, DVD, or merchandise.

And in the end... it... it... well, it won't make a bit of a difference. Sadly, the bulk of the population is quite happy with Things Blowing Up.

Moron movies are for a moron populace. Find a better use for your time.

reviews (2)

Triv (181010) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881508)

that's funny, The New York Times gave it a pretty good review [nytimes.com] this morning. When I read it on my way to work I was ready to cringe.

I'm goin' tonight. :)

Triv

New Rule (0)

Pastor Fluff (555255) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881511)

Better yet: even movies are good, odd movies suck. every fifth movie turns out not to be part of the continuity.

As a matter of fact, I hear they changed the ending. In the original ending, Troi wakes up, it was only a dream, and Patrick Duffy was in the shower.

Where is the point? (0)

noisyb (630181) | more than 11 years ago | (#4881513)

..in reviewing this movie? In fact there are only 6 Star Trek movies (the first 6 ones..) everything else is crap... TOS had the first interracial kiss in TV.. that was (at those days) highly poilitical incorrect (for american measures)... today 99.9% of star trek is about political correctness and shit terrorists would never watch.. so forget nemesis.. and spend the money on the old episodes.. spend your money on that shatner'n nimoy movie where they discuss shit (even that is more interesting than the whole TNG fame..) in the garden.. give all star trek money to Nimoy because he was spock and deserves it.. then he can make more nice photos and shit he loves to do... give all your money to william shatner.. give all your money to geroge takei so he can produce Star Trek 7 (i mean the REAL 7th episode) with him as captain zulu.. everything else is boring shit... oh.. and dont forget to watch TAS after TOS.. nuff said.. who flames here is a poor ass or hollywood-i-like-shit-sucker and no fan...
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