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Quark Matter Blamed for Paired 1993 Seismic Events 403

Ethanon writes "In an article posted by BBC, scientists have suggested that two "unassociated" seismic events that occurred in 1993 were actually strange Quark matter passing through the Earth at a speed of perhaps 250 miles per second. A spec of strange Quark matter the size of a human cell is said to be so dense that it could weigh a tonne! Check it out "
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Quark Matter Blamed for Paired 1993 Seismic Events

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  • I thought that if a trio of strange quarks hit any other matter it would convert it into the same?
    • Depends on the net charge of strange quark
      nuggets. Physicists can't yet do the calculations
      to work out the average charge per baryon on
      strange quark matter. If has a negative charge it
      would suck in a nucleii and grow, while if it is
      positively charge it will reply ordinary nucleii
      and only be able to grow from neutron and in
      neutron stars.

      My guess would be Strange quark nuggets would
      be positive, why: a equal miss of u,d and s
      quarks is neutral, but the s (charge -1/3), is
      more massive than the other two, so you would
      have a prepondance of u and d quarks (Charges +2/3 and -1/3), so it the charge would be something positive.
  • Who knew Ferengi were so dense?
  • Old News... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ironix ( 165274 ) <steffen@norMONETgren.ca minus painter> on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:01PM (#4735310) Homepage
    I think this was posted before [slashdot.org].
    • Doh!

      Does this mean that all comments here get modded -1:Redundant?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:02PM (#4735316)
    scientists have found that multi-posts of stories on slashdot are due to a quirk matter that passes through the slashdot queue at the high speed of 100 submissions/day.
  • by Restil ( 31903 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:02PM (#4735317) Homepage
    The Strangelet Article [slashdot.org] from last May on the same issue.

    -Restil
  • Imagine.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by |<amikaze ( 155975 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:03PM (#4735321)
    Getting hit by that random particle. What would it do to you? That's a lot of momentum.
    • by RatBastard ( 949 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:27PM (#4735533) Homepage
      Sure, it's heavy. Sure, it's going really fast. But the impact area is only the size of a cell. It would rupture cells along the path through your body, but the holes created wouldn't be big enough for blood to flow out of, and unless it struck a nerve cell you'd never feel it. The mass is not high enough for it to have any tidal effects. Even if it did hit your brain it probably wouldn't do enough damage to register.
      • I don't know, a slug of lead going only a couple times the speed of sound that is less than 3mm across and weighs about 1.5 grams can do a hell of a lot of damage.

        I'd imagine something weighing a ton, going that fast, would cause an order of magnitude more damage than the aforementioned .22 caliber hunting rifle round.
        • It seems like a knife-versus-club sort of thing, comparing a nanometers-wide quark to a millimeters-wide bullet. But you may still be right. This thing would have enough mass to destroy a few cells, and it might transfer some of it's (considerable) momentum into them, causing them to then go around wreaking havoc on other cells like a game of pool.

          Consider this: if you fire a .22 round into an apple, the hole where it enters the apple is the size of the bullet, but the hole where it exits the apple is, say, 5x as big. That's only 5 cells. I think you'd be OK.

          As the quark matter is traveling at a much higher speed versus the bullet, my above analogy may be highly flawed. But I don't think too much of it's energy would be transferred--if it causes earthquakes when it passes through the Earth, it's because of the above-mentioned chain-reaction where it transfers energy to matter it collides with. It has thousands of miles to disrupt particles, if it passes through your body, it has only about a foot. or so.

          IANAP/A (I am not a physicist/astronomer)
        • Bullets do damage in one of two ways:

          First: They spread out. That 3mm slug is 10-20 times that diameter after passing through skull.

          Second: They rotate. In the case of an AK-47, the rotation of the bullet causes it to travel throughout your body.

          Also, 3mm may not seem big, but when compared to a cell, it's huge. I don't know the actual comparison, but I'd guess that a 3mm bullet would be like a Super Dome to the average cell. (The Super Dome holds >~60,000 people, and that 3mm bullet could hold well over 60,000 cells.)

          ~Hammy
      • by pVoid ( 607584 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:52PM (#4735697)
        You're not really taking into account that this thing has seismic effects felt around the globe.

        It's like saying f'(x) = df/dx is 0 because df is almost zero... you are neglecting the very important fact that dx is almost zero too.

        To apply it back to this case: (a previous post mentionned it too) if that thing weighed only a gram, but was traveling at the speed of light, you'd probably vaporize from the energy it would release in you. In the same veine, if it were traveling at reasonable speeds, weighed only 1kg, but the impact point was concentrated into one square nanometer, the damage done might just as well rupture every single cell in your body.

        Another example is icebergs, those giants move at something like 2-3 km/h, but the energy they would release if they hit a oil-platform is greater than the energy a 747 would if it were to crash into the platform at cruising speed.

        The bottom line is you have to know how much energy the particle contains, and also, how much of it would be released in your body. The fact that it's small doesn't indicate anything whatsoever...

        My uninformed guess is that if this thing can cause mini-earthquakes, it could be quite a powerful blast on the body.

        • by product byproduct ( 628318 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @07:15PM (#4735855)
          Actually we can do the math pretty easily:

          article quote: "a one-tonne spec would release the energy of a 50-kilotonne nuclear bomb, spread along its entire path through the Earth."

          So the energy released is something like 50 kilotonnes / 10,000 km
          = 5 tonnes of TNT / km
          = 5 kg of TNT / m
          = 0.5 kg of TNT / 10cm

          So this thing traveling through your skull would be like detonating a pound of TNT inside of your head. The brain damage would definitely register. :)
          • by Wiwi Jumbo ( 105640 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @09:53PM (#4736722) Homepage Journal
            Wouldn't that mean there should be a "impact point" where it hit?

            Something that we'd be able to see?

            Then again, what the hell do I know? :)
          • by pod ( 1103 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @09:54PM (#4736725) Homepage
            So this thing traveling through your skull would be like detonating a pound of TNT inside of your head. The brain damage would definitely register. :)

            At least they're right about ONE thing: it probably wouldn't hurt at all :)

        • by SHEENmaster ( 581283 ) <travis@uUUUtk.edu minus threevowels> on Friday November 22, 2002 @09:04PM (#4736492) Homepage Journal
          It's like saying f'(x) = df/dx is 0 because df is almost zero... you are neglecting the very important fact that dx is almost zero too.

          Not really, he is saying that while the things have a hell of a lot of momentum (3e11 Newton seconds) it's impact area would be incredible small (smaller than a hydrogen atom in diameter) so it would just blast through a person without transfering its momentum to more than the cells it went through. So when it exits the individual it has left a wake, but a small one because of its incredible velocity.

          This isn't billiards, where a ball transfers all its momentum to another, and it isn't like an ice burg where the oil station must be obliterated for passage. At 3e8 m/s it would pass through a meter of flesh in 1/3e8 seconds transfering energy to a few cells with very little mass themselves.

          That's why he didn't think it would significantly damage a person. The Earth was both dense enough and large(volume) enough to take the blast.
      • ...I noticed you math wizards spewing out formulas n shit, but the only way to measure how much energy your absorbing from the quark passing through you is to measure it's speed before and after passing through you. If it sails through you, without losing velocity or mass, it wouldn't be transfering any kinetic energy into you, so it wouldn't do a thang (i.e you wouldn't feel it).

        When you get hit by a bullet, you absorb most of the kinetic energy carried by the bullet, so it tends to rip you apart. Your body structure is too dense for a bullet to pass through without energy loss, not true for a quark. If this quark had slowed down signifigantly or stopped in the planet, then it's energy would've been transfered into the planet, resulting in a 50kt blast (i.e. Second Impact, har). But it sailed right through, so we didn't feel much.

    • Re:Imagine.. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Arcturax ( 454188 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:38PM (#4735608)
      Yes but it would only impart a tiny bit if that energy into you as it struck. It would for the most part just pass right through you and do little to no damage that you could notice in the process.

      After all, if it dumped all its energy right then and there, it would create an energetic event equal to an asteriod hitting the planet.

      While it does dump 50kt worth of energy on its way through Earth, think about how thick the Earth is and then calculate how much damage is done per square centimeter. Not a lot really.

      So yes it has a lot of energy, but it loses it only a bit at a time as it zips through objects. It will have to zip through a lot more very large objects before it ever could be stopped (or hit with a huge enough repelling force which would require enormous amounts of energy to generate).
      • Re:Imagine.. (Score:2, Interesting)

        by hawkbug ( 94280 )
        I'm no physicist, but I would have to agree with you here. My only question would be - in order for it to cause a small earthquake, how much Earth do you think it would have to go through? I only ask because if an earthquake was detected on the surface... let's say a few miles deep into it, then it could put off a lot of energy in only a few miles right? So, I would still think you would notice if it hit you... maybe that explains random muscle twitches every now and then as I sit and program. Or maybe that's the massive amount of caffine that I have ingested.
      • I calculate that it would emit 4200 Joules per centimeter of travel through matter. That is quite a bit of energy.
    • by Phosphor3k ( 542747 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:38PM (#4735612)
      Maybe this is finally a scientific reason for spontaneous human combustion?
      • Why was the parent moderated funny? I think it's interesting instead. I though about spontaneous combustion too when I read the article and saw some of the posts. There are enough documented cases of human combustion to at least give some credence to the phenomenon, and this certainly sounds like something that could cause such an effect.

        There is a problem in that we don't know what the likelihood of one of these particles hitting earth is (much less of it hitting a person). The study registers very few cases, but it can hardly be said to be very extensive or conclusive (or even correct).

        Anyways, when new, previously unknown phenomena is theorized or observed, it is always a good idea to look for prior evidence or see if it can explain other things, even if they were at some time dismissed as lunatics' ravings. An excellent example of this can be found in this recently posted article [nasa.gov] about a theory that would provide a reasonable explanation to the accounts of witnesses that said they heard sounds produced by meteorites instantly (when they saw them).
        --

        • by Jboy_24 ( 88864 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @08:56PM (#4736462) Homepage
          I believe that in most cases 'Spontanious Human Combustion' it has been shown that the person died from a slow burn of their fat in an oxygen depleted atmosphere. Most = 99%.

          In these cases, the person was always

          a) alone
          b) in a closed room
          c) smoking or near a lit fire
          d) either intoxicated to the point of unconciousness or already dead from natural causes
          e) Mildly to Fully Obese
          f) Room has heavy waxy soot on ceiling or high points of the wall

          In fact because of the extremely high rate of intoxication among the victums it was thought at one point they died from the alcholol in the blood stream combusting.

          What happened really was:
          a) Person passes out
          b) Cigarette or Fire catches clothing on fire
          c) Due to lack of oxygen fire become a slow burn
          d) fat from body melts from fire
          e) clothing uses molten fat as fuel, ie a human candle

          While the heat is strong at the point of the burn, it doesn't turn into a huge fire, thus the lack of damage to other features in the room.

          THus, in the end, no Paranormal activties needed.

    • by ehiris ( 214677 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:48PM (#4735674) Homepage
      If it could actually do damage to you, you'd enter the guiness book of records for being the most unlucky complex of proteins in the universe.
  • by MadCow-ard ( 330423 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:03PM (#4735330)
    quark matter causes strange seismic event...
  • by ryochiji ( 453715 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:07PM (#4735368) Homepage
    I wonder how Hollywood's going to capitalize on this new "threat". You can't very well land a space shuttle on a quark, drill away and detonate a nuke...

    Or maybe they'll insist that it is in fact possible for Bruce Willis to walk on a quark.
    • by emc ( 19333 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:11PM (#4735401)
      inner space + armageddon
      dennis quaid or bruce willis...

      shrink him down & send him to land on the quark...

      honey, i shrank the astronaut!
    • by Anonymous Coward
      They'll say that DVD filesharing actually generates the quarks, and by eliminating movie piracy, the Earth will be saved from destruction!

      remember: when you pirate movies, planets EXPLODE!
    • But the problem with that is they must first answer the ancient question, "How many Bruce Willises can walk on the head of a quark?"
  • Doesn't add up... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mike Schiraldi ( 18296 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:09PM (#4735378) Homepage Journal
    The graphic at the top says that the Oct 22, 1993 particle entered at 09:55:47 and left at 09:56:14. That's 27 seconds.

    The article says, "One event occurred on 22 October, 1993, when, according to the researchers, something entered the Earth off Antarctica and left it south of India 0.73 of a second later."

    Which is it?
    • by nzhavok ( 254960 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:19PM (#4735480) Homepage
      Perhaps they forgot to synchronize their watches? Scientists are terribly forgetful about things like this :)
    • The quark traveled through the earth in 0.73 seconds, the shockwave that resulted is what caused the earthquakes, and the shockwave itself, traveling at the speed of sound, took 27 seconds.
      • Re:Doesn't add up... (Score:5, Informative)

        by Safety Cap ( 253500 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:51PM (#4735691) Homepage Journal
        the shockwave itself, traveling at the speed of sound, took 27 seconds
        Neither P, S, nor Body waves travel at the speed of sound. Their speed depends upon the medium; remember that liquid mediums do not transmit waves as fast as solid ones; liquid mediums also do not transmit shear waves.

        You can compute the speed of compressional waves with the formula V=sqrt((k+.75mu)/rho), where mu is the rigidity and k is the bulk modulus.

        Air is typically 330 m/s at sea level whereas Granite is around 5k-7k m/s.

        • Re:Doesn't add up... (Score:3, Informative)

          by spectecjr ( 31235 )
          Neither P, S, nor Body waves travel at the speed of sound. Their speed depends upon the medium; remember that liquid mediums do not transmit waves as fast as solid ones; liquid mediums also do not transmit shear waves.
          You can compute the speed of compressional waves with the formula V=sqrt((k+.75mu)/rho), where mu is the rigidity and k is the bulk modulus.

          Air is typically 330 m/s at sea level whereas Granite is around 5k-7k m/s.


          The values you've given are the speed of sound in air and rock.

          Yes, they do travel at the speed of sound. Why? Because that's the speed at which a wave travels through a medium if the wave isn't light.

          You probably meant "they don't travel at the speed of sound in air"

          Simon
    • Re:Doesn't add up... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Liquor ( 189040 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:51PM (#4735686) Homepage
      It's pretty obvious that the article has the amount of time wrong. The suggestion of speed given by the article is that the particles might travel at about 400 Km/s, and this particular track apparently went in near a pole and came out near the equator - a rough guess (somebody else can do the actual spherical trig.) is 8500 Km of travel through the earth, and at 400 Km/s that's about 21 seconds, which is on the close order of the 27 seconds you noted from the map.

      Now if it WAS .73 of a second, then the alleged particle was travelling close to 12,000 Km/s - 4% of lightspeed - I suspect that 400 Km/s is more in tune with both the energies (not) observed, and the (escape) velocity that could be imparted by falling into the solar system from interstellar space. (At least, either way, it sounds like this one won't be coming back.)
  • by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:10PM (#4735386) Journal
    >> They searched the world's seismographic records for so-called "unassociated events". They looked at more than a million records collected by the US Geological Survey between 1990 to 1993

    Generally when you go looking through enough data, expecting to find something, you do.

    An alternate theory, perhaps. Some drunken teenagers kicked the seismographs?

    Not that this is something that really matters to anyone, alive or dead, either way.
    • An alternate theory, perhaps. Some drunken teenagers kicked the seismographs?

      Except that an event had to be recorded by at least 7 different sources.

      Whether or not their conclusions are right, what you're suggesting won't work.
    • by krlynch ( 158571 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:39PM (#4735620) Homepage

      Generally, when you go looking through enough data, expecting to find something, you do.

      You only find it if you aren't doing your job right; when looking for events that match a certain profile, you also have to take into account the number of events that match the profile but that would be generated by different processes. Those other processes are called "background" processes. If you don't expect to see any background events, and you do see events, you have support for the foreground hypothesis. If you do expect background events, and you see exactly the number you expect to see, you don't have support for the foreground hypothesis.

      This is a vast simplification of the process of teasing foreground from background, or course, not doing justice to the amount of work you have to do to understand what you are talking about ... and you aren't assured of getting it right, of course. However, the statements that this hypothesis has some support in the data was based on this exact type of analysis, and are clearly not of the "look at enough data you'll find what you want to" kind. You probably have to go to the original source article to find the details (the foreground/background analysis was most of the paper, if I remember correctly).

      Your alternate theory, once properly formulated, would also make a prediction as to the number of events of this kind that are expected ... go make that prediction, and then we can test it :-)

    • This sounds like something that ought to be on Art Bell's show; entertaining, yet completely spurious.
    • An alternate theory, perhaps. Some drunken teenagers kicked the seismographs?

      You know, that's usually what I do for fun. I and 6 of my friends get drunk then each break into the seven nearest seismographic reseach stations. Then (with our watches synchronized) we all kick the seismographs at the same time then again .73 seconds later (cuz lets face it, .72 is just too hard to pull off).

      These guys are real proffessionals though, we could never get to an antarctic station.

  • by Liquor ( 189040 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:12PM (#4735412) Homepage
    Unfortunately, the seismography data that is not associated with earthquakes stopped being collected by the USGS (or at least, is not archived) since 1993.

    I suspect that funding an archive for this data would be far less expensive than the huge particle physics machines that are searching for similar matter :)

    Not to mention - it might just be worth calculating the orbital path of the particles that were (or might be) detected, just to make sure that they aren't coming back. Given the energy they apparently release, this could even be an alternate explanation for the Tunguska explosion in Siberia. (Other than exploding meteorites that don't leave a crater, and a misfire [google.com] of Tesla's Death Ray.)
  • by GeneralEmergency ( 240687 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:12PM (#4735413) Journal

    ...a quark repellant hat?

    Will lining it with tinfoil help?

    I called the BBC and they were no help at all.

  • Anyone have any idea what kind of damage would be caused at the surface of the Earth by something like this? Seems to me that it would be significant, peculiar, and unique.

    And in that case, shouldn't they visit the entry and exit points to see if such damage was caused? I don't see anything in the article that suggests this kind of investigation will, or should, be done.

    I'm a bit puzzled.

    • Ah. I see now that some discussion has already taken place [slashdot.org] in an earlier posting to science.slashdot.

    • Re:Surface Damage? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by RomikQ ( 575227 ) <romikq@mail.ru> on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:24PM (#4735512) Homepage
      I think everyone here is overestimating the size of those things. They are really very very very small. There would be no visual evidence of the impact, not even microscopical - the particles would just rip through, and then the material they went through would collapse back onto itself.
      • What about a bullet wound?
        Small and clean going in.
        Big and messy going out.
        • What about a bullet wound?
          Small and clean going in.
          Big and messy going out.


          Ok first of all a bullet is designed to expand and release it's engery in the form of expansion. Thusly thats why they have little holes going in and big holes going out as the bullet expands and releases alot of it's energy. Bullets that have a full metal case do not leave big holes at all.

          The other thing is like many other people have brought up that this is smaller than the size of a cell and has the mass of of aprox 1 ton. I do not know how fast it is going but I saw a post that said 400k/sec. If it does not have enough frontal area or expansion ability (very small very dense) it will squish in and snap back on the surfance and thusly cause vibrations but the hole it would leave would be extremly small. It would also produce vibration as it traveld through the object and came out the other side but agian probably not do much damage.

          Like that weapon they had in the movie "eraser" was total BS. It fired a .22 of an inch projectile at near light speeds. The projectile will not expand and thusly will not release much energy. Merely punch straight through both sides and continue on untill the engery runs out.

          If I'm wrong please feel free to correct me/discuss it.
      • There would be no visual evidence of the impact, not even microscopical - the particles would just rip through, and then the material they went through would collapse back onto itself.

        My only objection to this would be that they obviously have enough of an effect to cause a measurable seismic disturbance. I believe they must have some effect at the surface, even if it's just microscopic.

        Perhaps their only effect is totally transient; this would explain why we have to resort to real-time seismic measurements to detect them.

      • "I think everyone here is overestimating the size of those things."

        Man, are you crazy? Leaving the house? There are neutrinos out there, man! Nothing can stop them! We're all going to die!
      • There would be no visual evidence of the impact
        I have to wonder if such strangelets could traverse stellar distances without accumulating a coating of hydrogen (and/or other) ice. In interstellar space, they would be the strongest local gravity source, and (especially if they have been accumulating since the big bang) be accompanied by quite a bit of material.

        This could make for quite an explosion as that mass entered the atmosphere - my math is based on pure guesswork, but it seems that the combination of hydrogen ice, heated to a plasma in a shockwave, and the massive strangelet creates an extremely high local pressure and temperature. (Seems similar enough to the designs for mini-black-hole catalyzed fusion that it might even result in a fusion reaction - but I'll not speculate on that.)

        The two entry points noted here - one was in barren antarctic land and the other in the uninhabited and infrequently traveled southern ocean - could have had a multiple megaton blast associated with them, but there would be nothing at the surface to retain evidence - no trees to be knocked down, nothing permanent to record the event, out of the scan area of most satellites, that even if there WAS an explosion, we would be unlikely to find any evidence.

        Then again - I've already wondered elsewhere if this couldn't explain the Tunguska explosion.
  • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

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  • these events were meant to be caused by tiny black holes? At least thats what the last slashdot story like this said. IANAQP
  • by vizualizr ( 462581 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:16PM (#4735453)
    250 Miles per second?

    now that's what i call a . ..

    QUARK EXPRESS

  • Occam's Razor (Score:2, Insightful)

    by conundrum11 ( 571450 )
    Isn't it interesting that data stopped being collected at the same time the last event was "detected". I think the solution lies much closer to home than speeding nuclearites. Before I set the conspirists afire I would suggest taking a look at how expensive it actually was to collect and store data, and who was responsible for the decision to stop.

    It has to make you wonder what effect it would have if you had the (mis)fortune of standing on the entry or exit point. Spontaneous combustion anyone?

    conundrum11
  • by GeneralEmergency ( 240687 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:16PM (#4735456) Journal

    ...then why doesn't the Earth whistle as it spins?

  • Seriously though: can we detect if some civilisation wrecker size thingy is on its way.

    These are sneaky bastards: more devious than NEOs come out at us in the direction of the Sun.

    And we cannot even drill a nuke into these suckers.

    Hmmmm.... that lifeboat thingy (posted yday) grows more pertinent by the minute.
  • In an article posted by BBC, a scientist has suggested that two "unassociated" seismic events that occurred earlier this afternoon were actually strange Beef matter passing through his GI tract at a speed of perhaps 250 miles per second. A spec of strange Meat the size of a human cell is said to be so dense that it could weigh a tonne! Also, the scientist commented, 'what the fuck do they put in that stuff? It tastes like meat paste, but it's greyish-beige!!? I won't fall for that again."
  • by abhinavnath ( 157483 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:21PM (#4735490)
    tconnors(UID #91126) posted [slashdot.org] a link to the original paper [adelaide.edu.au], the last time this was posted on /.

    Not to karma whore or anything :), but this is a fascinating paper. They talk about how Strange Quark Nuggets contain strange, up and down quarks, which makes them stable enough to exist without condensing into protons and neutrons. It also talks about how SQNs are dark matter candidates - so these paired seismic events may be proof of this form of dark matter.

    This seems like an amazing amount of work - they went through nearly 10 million seismic event records, from 1981 to 1993.
  • by dandelion_wine ( 625330 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:24PM (#4735516) Journal
    Odo: "I plan to investigate the Klingons, the Romulans, Quark, the visiting Tarellians..."
    Sisko: "You think Quark had anything to do with it?"
    Odo: "I always investigate Quark"
  • by mengel ( 13619 ) <mengel@users.sou ... rge.net minus pi> on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:27PM (#4735529) Homepage Journal
    Okay, so we know where it came in, and where it went out, and fairly precisely what time it was... So then you are in a pretty good position to extrapolate the path of the object backwards, and figure out where it came from, right? If it was moving at 400km/h, its patj would have been warped somewhat by the sun's gravitation, but that should be able to be figured in. Then you should point all your best telescopes off in the direction that it must have come from, and see what's there.

    Any good amateur rocket/astronomy folks out there? If you shot something from Antartica opposite the direction of the tip of India at 450km/sec, on October 22, 1993, 09:55:57 GMT, where would it go?

  • by Pr3d4t0r ( 604257 ) <casey AT somegeekintn DOT com> on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:30PM (#4735553) Homepage
    The article says:

    It was estimated that the strange quark matter might pass through the earth at 400 km per second (250 miles per second), 40 times the speed of seismic waves.
    -- and --
    The other occurred on 24 November, 1993, when an object entered south of Australia and exited the Earth near Antarctica 0.15 of a second later.

    So are Australia and Antartica 37.5 miles apart? Confused.
  • Slackers.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:30PM (#4735555) Homepage Journal

    People blame sub-atomic particles for everything now.

    What caused those earthquakes? Quarks.
    What destroyed the World Trade Center? Quarks.
    Who left the toilet seat up? Quarks.

    Its about time people took responsibility for their actions and quit blaming the poor quarks.


    • by CNERD ( 121095 )
      Nah, its more like this..

      What caused those earthquakes? Terrorists.
      What destroyed the World Trade Center? Terrorists.
      Who left the toilet seat up? Terrorists.

      Now lets all rip on the bill of rights and fight those terrorists!
  • each pound of it weighs over 10,000 pounds.

    (Yes, this comment is a rip-off, but it's my favorite Farnsworth quote :))
  • I thought it would suck to be one of those unlucky sots that get struck by lightening. Can you imagine how much your day would suck if the gods of quantum physics decided to smite you with one of those bad boys.

  • quark@home? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TarPitt ( 217247 ) on Friday November 22, 2002 @06:55PM (#4735724)
    They looked at more than a million records collected by the US Geological Survey between 1990 to 1993 that were not associated with traditional seismic disturbances, such as Earthquakes


    These guys could use some help. Here's my idea: Put the information on line, distribute a client to analyze it. Surely the possibility of a quark collision is at least as good as finding an intelligent signal from another planet?

  • an Earth shattering KaBoom!

    That pesky Earthling has stolen my Strangium-238 Space Modulator!

    Seriously, any one read David Brin's Earth?
    Maybe they only winged us.

  • I find it difficult to formulate a serious theory about an event by relying on exotic (hence unproven) strangelets surrounded by electrons (which is what these so called nuclearites are/should be/may be), going on little more empirical evidence then activity on seismographs. I do not accept that SQM (strange quark matter) baryons, should they even exist, would have slammed into one side of the Earth and came booming out of the other with little more evidence then slight quakes.
  • Good thing I dont live in Antarctica! Ill stay here in good 'ol safe US of A! Keep them quarks south of the equator.
  • So, they know an approximate mass, they can guestimate how fast it is moving, and from the location of the Earth at that time, they know a relative position in the solar system.

    Is this thing moving at an 'escape' velocity from our solar system? Is it in orbit around the sun like a comet? Can we calculate that orbit and see if it might hit us again?

    If these things are so common that they found 2 events in 3 years worth of data, why don't we see buildings occasionally cruble as if hit by a missile?
  • "Quark Matter Blamed for Paired 1993 Seismic Events"

    Quark visited Earth in the 40's, not the 90's. There's no way he altered history in such a way that it'd cause seismic events 50 years later!

    It's a good thing I watch a lot of TV, I could have wasted time reading that stupid article.

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