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RIAA Sues Backbone ISPs to Censor Website

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the audacity-ever-increasing dept.

Music 916

prostoalex writes "Music labels filed a lawsuit against major Internet service providers for not blocking access to Listen4Ever.com, music site located in China. The defendants in the suit include AT&T Broadband, Cable & Wireless USA, Sprint Corp., Advanced Network Services and UUNET Technologies." Wow.

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from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (4, Insightful)

Cliff (4114) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086335)

Now if this doesn't convince you that the RIAA Amoeba is the lowest, most evil form of life on this planet, I don't know what will.

If this suit passes in the favor of the RIAA, then you can kiss your fair use rights good-bye.

I think I will end this before I start stringing together several run-on sentences comprised solely of Carlin's Seven Words you Don't Say...

Music industry indeed. Why not call it like it is and start calling them the Music Mafia? Oops. That's insulting the mafia...I shouldn't do that.

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086385)

Well your post title was startlingly accurate anyway :)

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (5, Insightful)

ejdmoo (193585) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086390)

"If this suit passes in the favor of the RIAA, then you can kiss your fair use rights good-bye."

If this suit passes in the favor of the RIAA, then you can kiss justice goodbye, as well as the common sense of that judge.

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (5, Insightful)

spoonist (32012) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086449)

"If this suit passes in the favor of the RIAA, then you can kiss justice goodbye, as well as the common sense of that judge."

If this suit passes in the favor of the RIAA, then you can kiss The Constitution goodbye.

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (1)

umask077 (122989) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086506)

The Constitution and Christianity have alot in common. Some day someone should try one.

- Benjamin Franklin

Well let me finish it for you then (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086394)

Shit Piss Cock Cunt Cock-Sucker Mother-Fucker Tits

Re:Well let me finish it for you then (1, Offtopic)

Peyna (14792) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086471)

Or from Blink 182 (i hate them, btw): "Shit, puss, fuck, cunt, cock-sucker, mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat."

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086403)

No kidding.

I went to buy an album I had been listening to mp3s of for a few weeks now. I was looking on Amazon, and noticed that the album was on Nettwork. Guess what trade organization this fine techno label is on? And Amazon doesn't have it listed used either, unfortunately.

Luckily, another artist I like, that happens to be on Warner, had 2 CDs available used on Amazon. Money well spent. Now if I can find their mailing address, I'll mail them a 20 while I'm at it.

/me gives the RIAA the finger.

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (5, Insightful)

cmowire (254489) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086413)

Damn, a good first post for once. ;)

Seriously, if the RIAA goes through with this, you can kiss your ISP's fiscial stability good-bye.

Can you imagine how many sites for illegal content appear outside of the US? Can you imagine how many requests every large backbone provider would have to deal with? Can you imagine how quickly the blocking tables on the router would be stuffed to the gills?

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086426)

I find your association of the recording industry with amoebae patently offensive, and demand an immediate retraction.

Sincerely,
That Gigantic Fucking Amoeba-Thing from Zelda 64

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (1, Redundant)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086451)

Heh. Now *that* is Insightful!

Ah, I love the seven words.... (-1, Troll)

Salad Shooter (600065) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086474)

Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tits.

Re:from the rabid-knee-jerk-reactions dept. (5, Informative)

tim_maroney (239442) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086492)

If this suit passes in the favor of the RIAA, then you can kiss your fair use rights good-bye.

Providing complete copies of copyrighted recordings is by no means fair use. Fair use would be providing short sections for critical discussion and analysis.

Take a look at this excellent article [chronicle.com] on real threats to fair use. It defines fair use as follows: "If you are accused of infringing, you can make an argument that your use of the protected works is 'fair' because of some combination of these factors: The nature of the original work makes it important that it be publicly discussed; the nature of your use of it is important because of teaching, research, or commentary; you do not use very much of the original work; your use does not significantly affect the market for the original work." All of these four criteria fail in the case of pirated popular music.

--
Tim Maroney tim@maroney.org

Oh wow (-1)

RestonVA (593792) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086387)

Listen4Ever.com is good for me to poop on

ok... (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086388)

what legal requirement do all those ISPs have to block those sites to begin with? If there's none, RIAA has no case whatsoever.

Re:ok... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086424)

In fact, I'd say that they have a 1st amendment requirement to *not* block sites.

Re:ok... (1)

DJPsychoChild (581154) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086430)

Currently there si no legal requirement to block any IP's, HOWEVER, this could be a precident setting case.

Hard to say... (5, Insightful)

sterno (16320) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086431)

The thing is that the DMCA provides safe harbor provisions for an ISP if they remove an offending website. The offender can then get the content returned if they affirm that they are not violating copyright.

Of course the safe harbor provisions were intended for the ISP at the end of the line. So I'm not sure what legal precedent would be in play here. Given that these carriers are common carriers, with no control over the content they carry, I should think the RIAA would lose the case. If they didn't, then it would become the responsibility of carriers to monitor traffic on their networks for illegal activity, etc. It would be akin to holding AT&T responsible for embezzling because two mafiosos talked to eachother over a long distance phone call.

Re:ok... (2)

Mathonwy (160184) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086439)

I'd agree with you, except...

Looking back at a lot of the things RIAA has gone after, it's not clear (to me, at least) that they NEED a legal requirement. Because, in lou of laws to support their interest, they just use... boatloads of money to support their interest. Oh, and to make laws to support their interest, if it looks like something that might come up often.

Fortunately, in this case, if they go after big ISPs, big ISPs might have enough money to duke it out. I really hope that's what happens, and they don't just go "Ok", and agree to jointly help RIAA screw over the general populace of consumers...

Dang, now I don't know if I should write letters to my congressman, or to my AT&T broadband rep...

Re:ok... (5, Insightful)

gilroy (155262) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086503)

Blockquoth the poster:

what legal requirement do all those ISPs have to block those sites to begin with? If there's none, RIAA has no case whatsoever.


Well, as of late, the RIAA has been pushing the theory of "contributory copyright infringement". In essence, it goes like this: You didn't infringe any copyrights. But you helped someone else infringe them. So you're just as guilty. As the .sig says, it's sort of a dumb logic that undermines any concept of personal responsibility. But the courts have been remarkably well-disposed toward this insanity, so the RIAA might win.

Good idea (3, Funny)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086389)

RIAA doesn't need them sensored, slashdot will probably take care of the site themselves with a good slashdot effect!

It's dead now. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086393)

All it takes is a good slashdotting. Way to support the RIAA!

I'm shocked. (2)

Moonshadow (84117) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086396)

Not really.

Eeep! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086405)

LoL...first of all china wants to censor things coming in from other countries...

The chinese government does, that is...

American companies want to censor the content coming in.

Who really runs our country?

Re:Eeep! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086497)

Not its citizens, you can be sure of that.

O_o~ (5, Insightful)

Twintop (579924) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086410)

*Quickly bookmarks and downloads everything not on newsgroups.* Seriously though, this is the direction that things are going, and the RIAA is just trying in a futile attempt to stop it. There isn't ever going to be a way to police anything on the internet: it's to large and too spread out. Eventually the RIAA is going to have to realize that album sales aren't going to be bringing in the big bucks anymore, and instead there are going to have to focus on promoting concerts, t-shirts, and other things that can't be ripped from the web.

*checks calender* (2)

interiot (50685) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086411)

Nope, it's August 16th.

oh cripes (3, Funny)

JayDoggy (200317) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086412)

Wherever will I download "Songs of Ocarina" and soundtrack to "Legends of the Fall" if they shut off access to this great site!!!!!

Maybe... (5, Funny)

dokutake (587467) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086414)

..they could start paying off government officials in China, it's worked well enough in the US.

"us domain name" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086416)

Since when did .com become a US only domain?

Free as In Freedom (or lack therof, the) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086417)


I really hope someday that there is a popular uprising against all of this RIAA/MPAA nonsense.

We need freedom!

Damn.... (4, Funny)

mhandlon (464241) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086418)

Thanks for the link slashdot this is better then Kazaa!

Don't thank /., thank the RIAA! (5, Funny)

dasboy (598256) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086501)

I can always find the coolest technology by just watching who they sue!

Makes sense to me! (3, Interesting)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086419)

This is wonderful! With this precidence set, I'll be able to sue the state for the highway I was on if I have an accident, and the power company for supplying the electricity that started a house fire.

Now would *needs* to happen is that someone needs to pass a law that bans the RIAA from doing *anything* on the internet. Hell, even saying or writing the *word* internet should hold hefty fines for them!

Wyatt

Re:Makes sense to me! (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086452)

... the fast food company that made me fat, the cola company that made me belive I was a good coder, the whore who gave me HIV, GE for making the bullets that shot JFK.

Re:Makes sense to me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086551)

actually you can sue the whore

Re:Makes sense to me! (2)

coryboehne (244614) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086562)

and you can sue the fast food company, that's already been done.

Thanks RIAA! (5, Funny)

professortomoe (540098) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086423)

Thanks guys, I never knew this site existed. Good job bringing it up for us who never heard of it. ;)

-1 Obvious (3, Funny)

Wee (17189) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086425)

The RIAA is a monument to litigious frivolity and professional stupidity. The whole lot of them need to be wished into the cornfield.

-B

Re:-1 Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086443)

You can thank Hillary Rosen. Be sure to send her a thank you note.

Re:-1 Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086475)

What do you have against the cornfields?

Re:-1 Obvious (2, Funny)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086502)

This should be moderated up solely on the strength of that "Twilight Zone" reference. :-)

could be a good thing (5, Insightful)

kid zeus (563146) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086427)

Hey, at least now some of the defendants have equally deep pockets. We're talking AT&T here, not some little indie ISP. Seems to me that the RIAA might have been better off not pissing off some of these companies who can field as good or better a legal team and who can throw as much money at Congress.

Yep, it's the T-Rex complex! (5, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086480)

Great post, kid zeus.

Those RIAA nimwits may be meeting their match here. Not only do they have deep pockets, but think of it this way - when the folks in Washington see this battle, they may rethink what's more important: keeping the Information Superhighway (tm) alive and propelling the New Economy, or keeping the music industry alive in its current bloodsucking incarnation.

T-Rex, meet Godzilla. :-)

Re:Yep, it's the T-Rex complex! (1)

MrHat (102062) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086504)

T-Rex, meet Godzilla. :-)

Mothra [eff.org] will protect us!

It obviously doesn't matter (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086429)

I've lost count of the number of sites and services that have been shut down. Music "piracy" continues unfettered, gaining popularity as broadband spreads...

Lowest Common Denominator (5, Insightful)

FFFish (7567) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086436)

Perhaps one of the potential outcomes of globalization is that we all sink to the lowest common denominator. America blocking access to foreign sites? That's so... Chinaesque!

None of RIAA's strategies are working (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086437)

The more they tighten their grasp the more systems will slip through their fingers

theme party (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086438)

Can we just get the RIAA, MPAA, most major computer software and hardware vendors, the major ISPs, portals and most patent holding corporations together and have one big fuckin' sue party? I mean christ, Adobe sues Macromedia, Macromedia sues Adobe, RIAA sues ISPs, one member of RIAA sues another member, someone gets ready to sue everyone who ever made a bot, the hyperlinks are claimed to have been patented and we're fucking liable, some of the genes in my body have been patented by some asshole. Fuck it all. Christ, the whole goddamned American-inspired capitalist corporate world fucking sucks and it's swallowing us all. Somebody please help me find a better country. How are Iceland and New Zealand?

Re:theme party (1, Flamebait)

questionlp (58365) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086529)

If you thought people were mindless sheeps here, I think you will be even more disappointed in New Zealand.

DMCA implications... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086440)

I thought the DMCA had a provision that service providers (and if the UUNET isn't a serviceprovider, I don't know who is...) are exempt from having to deal with this sort of garbage.

So if they lose, then the DMCA is weakened...
And if they win, it is strengthened!

Shit.

Automakers (1)

effer (155937) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086446)

Can I sue the auto industry over criminals smuggling illegal contraband in them?

Re:Automakers (2, Funny)

littlej (413909) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086484)

Or sueing the Department of Transporation for keeping up the highways that criminals use to distribue contraband!

What a great way to drum up more traffic (1)

innocent_white_lamb (151825) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086448)

Well, anyone who wasn't familiar with that web site before will be now.

I think the record labels will find that this backfired rather badly, at least for the short term.

In other news... (5, Funny)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086450)

In other news, congress has passed the DMTA (digital millenium transit act), which will force people to continue using horses for transportation despite the fact that a faster and more effective format, known as an "automobiles", has been available for some time.

"We can't make money on cars," said a representative of the Harness Makers Association of America (HMAA), "so they should be illegal. Think of all the poor horsies that would be turned into Elmer's if these criminal 'auto enthusists' got there way."

Politicians hailed the passing of the DMTA as a "strong step towards halting all progress and keeping the world exactly as it is. After all, change is scary!"

Re:In other news... (2, Funny)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086467)

Think of all the poor horsies that would be turned into Elmer's if these criminal 'auto enthusists' got there way.

Of course, that should be "their way". Lordy, you'd think I was trying out to be a /. editor. My sincere apologies to my third-grade english teacher at Maywood Elementary School in Monona, WI for the mix-up.

Re:In other news... (1)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086490)

Wow... great example. If I was a moderator I'd throw points your way. That analogy is perfect, and should be the intro to faxes we send to politicians et. al. It is clear enough that joe-home-user can undersand. Nice!

Re:In other news... (2)

ttyRazor (20815) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086528)

Cars vs. Railroads might be a better analogy.

We're Asking the Wrong Question (5, Insightful)

Schlemphfer (556732) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086454)

It seems there are at least four or five stories about the RIAA every week on Slashdot. Most deal with circumventing their legal lobbying, technical approaches for dealing with proposed DRM techniques, and whatnot.

Meanwhile, it seems the RIAA sinks to a new depth every week. With this latest story, I think it's time the tech community started asking a different question. What can the tech community do to damage the RIAA or render them irrelevant? And what are the best legal methods for kicking the RIAA where it hurts?

Re:We're Asking the Wrong Question (1)

DJPsychoChild (581154) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086535)

/. is the "Check and Balance" against the RIAA doing anything, ever. RIAA sues someone else, it's on here. RIAA logs onto the internet, it's on here. RIAA takes a shit (usually on us!), it's on here! I can say that I'm quite well informed now on the RIAA, and knew nothing before I started reading /.

Re:We're Asking the Wrong Question (5, Interesting)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086560)

And what are the best legal methods for kicking the RIAA where it hurts?

Er, don't buy music from recording labels? The best way to express your disapproval towards any business or group of businesses is to not buy their stuff.

Of course, as we've seen (bnet vs. Warcraft 3, MPAA vs. LOTR DVD), sticking to your principles is pretty tough. For example, I bought the new Linkin Park CD because I'm against the RIAA and, as it turns out, a hippocrite.

Re:We're Asking the Wrong Question (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086564)

And what are the best legal methods for kicking the RIAA where it hurts?

Thats an easy one, but its just the thing most people (ehem, slashdoters) wont do...

Don't buy the product.

RIAA == Jews == Insects == Vermin (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086456)

Those filthy Jews! Have you noticed how the Jews are at the forefront of those trying to restrict our rights?

Know your enemy. Study this list of Jews trying to destroy your freedom:

  • Rosen
  • Coble
  • Berman
  • Eisner
  • Redstone
The Jews never create anything. They are the parasites who wedge themselves between the producer and the consumer. The Jew takes a slice of every pie that passes by. What the Jew hates is that the Internet is cutting him off from his host. The artists can now distribute directly to their fans. The Internet has made the Jew irrelevant. So the Jew tries to buy the politician to do his bidding. The Jew tries to get bought politicians to pass bogus regulations in order to maintain Jew hegemony over the consumer.

Listen and learn about the Jew in this mp3 [natvan.com] .

Learn the Truth about the Jew [natvan.com]

listen4ever.com? (3, Informative)

matthewn (91381) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086459)

Am I the only person who hadn't heard of this site till now? At any rate, I appreciate the big labels bringing it to my attention!

In Other News... (1)

President A. Lincoln (600204) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086460)



Lets all go to China and sue the MPAA for providing access to hip-hop, rap, and other assorted flavors of sonic diarrhea we've been forced to listen to for the past 10 years.

Having to listen to that crap every friggin day constitutes torture, which is a flagrant breach of the Geneva Convention.


Re:In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086563)

good post...


it's people like you that give people a bad name...

Audacity indeed (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086461)

The article says that the plantiff's claim that Listen4Ever.com is registered under a "U.S. domain name". What the heck is that all about? So websites in any other country must use their nation's domain, but only "U.S." websites can use a .com ? The RIAA truly astounds me with what they'll say/pull.....

what a crappy site (1)

skelley (526008) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086463)

What is RIAA worried about ? The Listen4Ever.com site is so bad you can barely figure out how to listen to anything. Gimma WinMX any day.

Yeesh, turn off javascript if you click that link (5, Interesting)

phr2 (545169) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086464)

Surprisingly it's not slashdotted--there must be big pipes behind it. I didn't try loading any mp3's.

Just viewing the site launched endless popup ad windows some of which resized themselves to fill the whole screen, popped more windows when you closed the old ones, etc.

Interestingly, the actual mp3's come from an entirely different set of domains, that don't appear related to the gateway site and probably aren't hosted in China. The site being sued over is more like a portal (link farm) than an actual mp3 host. It has tons of "legitimate" advertising including audio devices, Visa cards, etc. But I couldn't stand looking at it long, because of all the damn popups.

Anyway, this isn't some warez kiddie's server, it's a highly commercial site, and it astounds me if RIAA is really having trouble finding its owners (asking its advertisers where they send their checks is an obvious approach).

Re:Yeesh, turn off javascript if you click that li (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086540)

You need something like 'proxomitron'

http://home.arcor.de/six/

Good job. (1, Redundant)

pclinger (114364) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086465)

Good job, you guys just blocked access for the world by /.ing the site. Thanks guys, support the enemy why don't you.

RIAA's obligitary business plan post (5, Funny)

joebp (528430) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086468)

1) Screw customers
2) Screw now former-customers
3) Censor the internet
4) ???
5) Profit!

Re:RIAA's obligitary business plan post (1)

Skyshadow (508) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086526)

I know what you're missing:

4) Stop time.

WHY EVERYTIME YOU BREAK DOWN MY WALL? (5, Funny)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086476)

I can hear it now...

"Every time I build, you American show up and take down my wall! Stop it! You take down my wall for the last time! Stupid Americans!"

Music artists, time to wake up! (2, Interesting)

mikehunt (225807) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086477)

This must be the call for all music artists to wake up and abandon
the music industry vultures.

If the RIAA has its way, and the court rules in its favour, it could result in all
Internet access from the US to China being cut off.
Is this how you want US law making to influence democracy
in China? Is this how you want your record label to spend
the vast majority of your income?

AOL Time Warner Guilty Too (5, Interesting)

jmoloug1 (178962) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086481)

As if this story isn't ridiculous enough,

The copyright infringement suit, filed in Manhattan federal court, seeks a court order requiring the defendants to block Internet communications that travel through their systems to and from the Listen4ever site.

I am a RoadRunner user and have no problem accessing the site. If AOLTW is going to sue somebody to block communications, why haven't they taken this "simple" measure within their own systems?

RIAA is Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086482)

RIAA. Blah. I am thinking of moving to russia.

This is... (2, Interesting)

TheDanish (576008) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086485)

absolutely, positively, beyond ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER the MOST ludicrous thing I've heard. I wouldn't have believed it except it's on Yahoo news... this is madness! Suing ISPs for not censoring websites! Whatever they arbitrarily decide goes against their agenda they can sue to take away? They're more powerful than the government! ...........I just don't understand, and if this lawsuit goes through, I WILL move out of this country. Just because they're outside their jurisdiction doesn't mean that you attack the people who provide the Internet.

That's a bit like a store owner cigarettets to a 30 year old, who in turn sells it to a little kid and runs to mexico, and then having the store owner sent to jail! I mean... that... Ugh... It's repulsive...

Re:This is... (1)

dokutake (587467) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086512)

They're more powerful than the government!

I was always under the impression that they were part of the government.

This is your reward for voting for Bush (2, Insightful)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086488)

Well, thats what you get for voting in bush, who's entire campaign is built on large amounts of 'contributions' (should read 'bribes') from many corporations. Everyone who voted him in should be blamed for this lose of freedom at the hands of large corporate entities. I have noticed that ever since bush was president, and especially after 9/11, corporations have been attacking free speach left and right.

Oh wait, I'm sorry, Bush is a *hero*, who's actions are helping us all. Lets just wave our flags while corporations wipe their collective asses on us.

The RIAA is out of control, we must do something about this before we end up losing all our freedom of speach. I think it might take drastic measures to fight this corporate monster.

Fuck RIAA (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086489)

The RIAA is nothing more than a bunch of corporate whore fucks who like to wallow in their own shit, making you pay a higher price than originally realized.

Double Standard (1)

RawCode (464152) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086495)

Plaintiffs in the suit include such major labels as UMG Recordings, a unit of Vivendi Universal, Sony Music Entertainment, a unit of Sony Corp ( news - web sites) .; The RCA Records Label, a unit of Bertelsmann AG ( news - web sites)'s BMG; and Warner Brothers Records, a unit of AOL Time Warner .

It seems that it is easy to avoid getting caught is the lawsuit (as AOL has). AT&T should keep an eye on Vivendi Universal's stock (which has started slipping)

aimed at a US audience? (4, Insightful)

matthew_eeph (579435) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086498)

The news media says "The suit states... the site... appears to target an American audience" If that's so, why does the top of the site itself say "Add listen4ever.com to your Favourites"?

Re:aimed at a US audience? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086543)

Ahh, it's aimed and a Canadian and British audience :)
I feel honoured

Havenco (1)

Centinel (594459) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086505)

If RIAA wins this suit, it could set a nasty precedent for someone to sue Havenco's [havenco.com] backbone providers because of content some corp or govt deems objectionable.

Nice... (4, Funny)

doi (584455) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086513)

I love the irony of a U.S. organization (RIAA) suing U.S. corporations (ISPs) for NOT doing something they're NOT required by law to do, thereby destroying the ISPs potential revenue (!), just because they're NOT blocking a site in a Communist, totalitarian country! (with whom the U.S. is spending a great deal of time, money and effort in opening new trade and business relationships)

Does this mean I can sue? (1)

TrollsamaBinLaden (599568) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086515)

My isp should be blocking my access to goatse. If I accidentally click on a goatse link one more time I need to find me a good lawyer. I mean as many times as it shows up in my history log, it has to be an accident. I would never dream of going on that site on purpose, no matter how strong the temptation may be. It offends me so much when I accidentally go to that site I often accidentally mail that link to people as well...so block the site damn isps!

Sounds insane but give censor happy freaks some more power and sites like goatse would no longer be available to us. That would be wrong damn it, no matter disturbing the site may be.

Re:Does this mean I can sue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086559)

Excellent, few trolls are able to mention goatse while managing to stay on topic! Congratulations, sir

Not a good move by the RIAA (5, Insightful)

Sangui5 (12317) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086518)

You may think that the RIAA is good at influencing the legal and political process, but I think they've just picked a fight they can't hope to win. The big backbone providers got to where they are through skillful manipulation of the system. If any set of entities is capable of playing the litigation game, it has got to be the phone and cable companies.

First off, every other case the RIAA has attempted has been against shallow pockets. Not so here. While WorldCom is in trouble, they do have a large legal team sitting around doing nothing (can't work on the bankruptcy 'cause that's not their area). I don't think I need mention how deep the pockets of ATT, Sprint, et. al. are.

Also, in the past they've gone against entities without experience. At any one time any major phone company is involved in more litagation than you can imagine (minimum of 3 major legal actions per state--justifying their current rates, attacking the justification their competitors give for their rates, and fighting to keep their preferred status as incumbant carrier, besides various federal and local actions). They know how to take full advantage of the rules, which rules they have to follow, which they can bend, and which they can break. They'll make dragging any information out of them during discovery a total nightmare, while at the same time demanding the most minor scraps of records the RIAA has. They'll abuse the calander, run the clock, and overall be just not very nice.

The RIAA may act like an 800 lb. gorrilla, but they've just picked a fight with the 8000 lb. bunch. Not a good idea.

what a plan (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086519)

The irony is that I, and presumably most other people, had never heard of this site until RIAA brought it to the spotlight...

I wonder how much Listen4Ever's traffic will go up as a result of this lawsuit? And how many more millions of dollars of "lost revenues" will the RIAA be able to claim as a result?

Haha suckas... yeah mess with the big boys (5, Funny)

LowneWulf (210110) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086521)

Yeah that's right. Pick on the ones who can fight back. Take on the industry that has taken every opponent, even the government, and lived to tell about it.

Hehe. I can imagine the executives meeting.
"What do you guys control?"
"I control cell phones."
"I am the master of cable."
"I am the undisputed champion of the US Internet backbone."
"So... what do you control for world domination?"
"Ummm.... CD music. Not anything good though, just the really commercialized stuff."
*crowd contains guffaws and laughter starts leaking out*

Set up to allow leeches (2)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086527)

Whoever set up this site displays most of the technical skills of their new arch-enemies (the RIAA.)

I can download these songs with DAP [speedbit.com] without messing around - this means, among other things, that it doesn't check refering URLs; I'd geuss there'll be fifty sites leeching their content by this time tomorrow.

What's next... (1)

barista (587936) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086531)

SPECIAL

Now with every purchase of a CD or DVD you get a free subpoena!!

Act now! Supplies are unlimited!!

If the RIAA wins.... (1)

Matimus (598096) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086533)

Im moving! But I dont know where. Any suggestions?

I've heard that Chile's government has a lot of Libritarian influence, I could be wrong, but if that is the case its probabally a safe bet that your internet access wont be messed with.(plus I wont have to hide my heroin habbit anymore.. jk)

Well bust my knee caps and call me shortie (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086541)

The plaintiffs allege that Listen4ever provides its services to Internet users in the United States through backbone routers owned and operated by the defendants.

Who'd have thunk it? I website providing content over backbone routers. I guess UUNet is guitly of facilitating child pornography now, too.


Learn this truth (1)

PaddyM (45763) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086542)

Intellectual property is what you keep to yourself.

Self-Inflicted? (5, Interesting)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086554)

I can't help but wonder if some of this is self-inflicted. As various corporate entities capture the ISP market and begin to play fast and loose with content control, they have began to give up the "common carrier" stance that has been the ISP's protection in the past. Once an ISP is no longer a common carrier, they are immediately liable for any kind of traffic coming through their network.

The only reservation I have on this point is that I'm not sure all the parties involved have taken steps that could be considered abandoning common carrier status. For example, while I'm sure I remember seeing AT&T Broadband taking such actions, I don't remember seeing anything from UUNET that would expose them to this kind of action.

Of course, previous establishment of common carrier status for ISPs was under a slightly different political climate. The attitude towards the Net has changed. New deals have been done in business and politics. All bets could very well be off.

Sue the phone co too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4086555)

I guess they better sue the phone company too as I can use it to access the ISP to access the backbone to access the site.

And I think the site is overwhelmed not from /., but from the damn pop-ups.

total f****ing war (1)

revxul (463513) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086558)

Those companies combined and whatever parent companies they have, though I could be terribly wrong, will crush the RIAA.

Upcoming lawsuits from RIAA (5, Funny)

halftrack (454203) | more than 12 years ago | (#4086565)

* Markerpen and PostIt makers for publishing technology enabeling people to use their CD's.
* Power suppliers for making peoples computers run.
* CD-R makers for making piracy easy.
* Microsoft for making WMA (which listen4ever.com uses)
* Linus Torvalds for making Linux and Bill Gates for making Windows which both enable music on computers thus encouraging piracy.
* Consumers for not buying enough CDs.
* Movie companies and game creators for making products that are worth the money so that kids use their money on DVDs and games instead of music.
* Themself for publishing music, thus making it subject to piracy.
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