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Public Software Fund's First Project

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the money-where-your-mouth-is dept.

News 145

Russ Nelson writes "The Public Software Fund's first project has been funded for two months worth of development. Tom Jennings (of Fidonet fame) will be writing software to do peer-to-peer file sharing of free software RPM packages, improving the existing free software packages up2date, /current/, and BitTorrent. This will keep new distro releases from being slashdotted."

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please no more (-1, Offtopic)

mike13down (513643) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862612)

cjb links.. my eyes are burning

Re:please no more (-1, Offtopic)

mike13down (513643) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862618)

slow night

Re:please no more (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862805)

I just farted.

Re:please no more (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862873)

Mister, you're eating a candle.

POO (-1)

anonymous cowfart (576665) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862910)

Eat my poo.

Re:POO (-1)

confucio-licious (555476) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862941)

I sense fecal overtones. wait. it's just the poo I tasted.

Finally... (2, Insightful)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862621)

The perfect chance for P2P to redeem itself from being label as illegal activity only. Unfortunately, it won't appeal to 90% of users, so it won't. The idea is still nice.

lalala (-1)

on by (572414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862623)

Lameness filter encountered.
Your comment violated the "postercomment" compression filter. Try less whitespace and/or less repetition. Comment aborted.

Re:lalala (-1)

TrollBurger (575126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862673)

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Re:lalala (-1)

on by (572414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862713)

What'sup withflat/threaded/nested comments?
These are justdifferentways ofdisplaying whatcanbe a ratherlong listof comments. Here'stherundown:

* Flatmode displaysallthecomments inonegigantic list, without showing anythingin the way ofrelationshipsbetweencomments.

FlatMode
* Threadedshowsahierarchyof responses,with replies aslinksto new pages.

ThreadedMode
* Nesteddisplays the samehierarchyof responses,butdisplays all ofthecomments.(Thiscanbe a bitch ofapage torender onweaker platforms and inlonger discussions.)

NestedMode

Updated by: Robo
LastModified:01/02/02
Willyoudelete mycomment?
No. Webelievethat discussions inSlashdot are likediscussionsin reallife-youcan'tchange whatyousay, you onlycanattemptto clarify bysaying more. Inotherwords, you can't deleteacommentthat you'veposted,youonly can postareplyto yourselfandattemptto clarify whatyou've said.

Inshort, you shouldthinktwicebefore you click that'Save' buttonbecauseonce you hit it, wearen't going toletyouUndo it.

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Why did mycommentgetdeleted?
The onlytime weever deletecomments isif the comment containsmalformedHTML thatis somehow causing Slashdotto failto display properly. Commentsarenotdeletedon the basis ofcontent. Atthis point,however, itshouldn'tbe a big worry.Thecommentengine isreasonably bulletproof,andit's prettytoughto postacommentthat breaksNetscape.

Ifyouposted a comment and you don't see itnow, itmayhave beenmoderateddown below yourthreshold(see below). Ifyousetyour threshold to-1,youshould beable toseeit again.

Answeredby:CmdrTaco
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Why did ittake solong for mycommentto appear?
Ifthesystem toldyouthat yourcommentgotsubmitted, it'll showup.Becauseof the way datagets cachedin our system, itcouldtake asmuch astenor fifteen minutes (although itdoesn'tusuallytake thatlong).

Answeredby:CmdrTaco
LastModified:6/12/00
What'sup with"First Post" comments?
"FirstPost"comments are one ofthoseoddlittle memetic hiccups thatcome out ofnowhereandrunamok.Basically, peoplewith altogetherfartoomuch spare timesitandreload Slashdot, hopingthat theywill get the "FirstPost"in a discussion. Thisis one ofthosethings thatthemoderation systemwasdesigned tocleanup,andforthemost part, itworks. "FirstPost"comments usually get moderated downas off-topic almostinstantly.

Answeredby:CmdrTaco
LastModified:6/12/00
Itseemslike the quality ofcommentpostsis declining.Areyoudoinganything about it?
Wehave a moderationsystem.

One oftheunfortunateside-effects oftheincreasing popularityof Slashdotis thatthenumber oftrolls,flame-warriors and all-aroundlamers increases aswell,andit onlytakesarelatively small numberof themto makealotof noise.Keepingthis noise toaminimumis one oftheprimarygoalsof the moderationsystem (whichis explained indetail elsewhere inthis FAQ).

Since thissystem isessentiallyan experimentin tryingto solve the problemsinherent inmass communication,onewouldexpect its success tobe variable, and indeed, thisis the case. Somedays itworksgreat, and somedays itdoesn't.

Answeredby:CmdrTaco
LastModified:6/12/00
Moderationseemsrestrictive. Isit reallynecessary?
Inshort, yes.

Asyoumighthave noticed,Slashdot getsalotof comments. Thousands a day.Tens ofthousandsamonth. Atanygiventime,thedatabase holds 50,000+ comments. A singlestorymighthave a thousandreplies- and let's berealistic: Not all ofthecomments are thatgreat. Infact,some are downrightterrible,butothers are truly gems.

The moderationsystem isdesigned tosort the gemsandthecrap fromthesteady streamof information thatflowsthroughthepipe.Andwherever possible, ittriesto makethereadersof the sitetake ontheresponsibility.

The goalis thateach readerwill beable toread Slashdotat a level thatthey findappropriate. The impatient can readnothingat all but the originalstories. Somewill onlywant toread the highest rated ofcomments,some willwant toeliminateanonymousposts, and otherswill wantto readeverylast dripof data, fromtheFirstPosts! tothespam.Thesystem we've created herewill makethat happen. Orat least,it surewill try...

Goals

hey cool! looks like linux! (-1)

on by (572414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862719)

That looks like the crappy font rendering in X...

Re:hey cool! looks like linux! (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862961)

Dear on by,

Please post some recent monotony reports.

Thanks,

Fucky

Re:hey cool! looks like linux! (-1)

flaw1 (572429) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862993)

I'd like to see an archive of monotony reports. For, uh, statistical purposes.

Re:hey cool! looks like linux! (-1)

on by (572414) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863028)

Unfortunetly it has a bug in it at the moment. I intend to fix it this weekend and devise a new format as well...so look out for it soon!

Re:hey cool! looks like linux! (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863138)

eeexcellent. :)

Re:lalala (-1)

TrollBurger (575126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862737)

Sweet sixteen is beautiful Bess, And her voice is changing -- from "No" to "Yes"

Yes, you see, young Bess has discovered masturbation and orgasm. And as a result, she wants some serious deep dicking so she can get bigger and better orgasms. This has resulted in her saying "Yes" to any guy with a dick who wants to fuck her. However, fortunately for her, Bess has not discovered Slashdot [slashdot.org] , or otherwise, if she did, her mantra of "yes yes yes!!" to any guy who wanted to pop her one would quickly change to "get the fuck away from me you flabby pallid white linux nerd, go recompile your kernel and jack off to pictures of Sarcasta's big goofy face.".

Thankyou, and yes, your post looks like fonts under X11. That is one of the main reasons why we won't be seeing *nix on any desktops that don't belong to uberdorks for a long time. (excluding OSX of course - but only apple graphics designer hippies use OSX).

Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (1, Offtopic)

corebreech (469871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862628)

Story I submitted that got rejected follows. Yeah, it's off-topic. Bite me.

The New York Times [nytimes.com] tells us (after we register for free) that Gnutella developer Gene Kan has committed suicide. [nytimes.com] Let's see, he was young (25) and just over a year ago saw the company he started bought by Sun Microsystems [sun.com] . It would be wrong to jump to conclusions here. It would also be wrong to not start asking questions.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862634)

IT TASTE SLIIEKA BARNING

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1)

TrollBurger (575126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862780)

this make me laugh. thank for makeing me the happy.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862642)

It's really no surprise that such a person would choose to commit suicide. Many criminals are seriously troubled souls. Many of these turn to alcohol and become the bums you see on the street. Others turn to drugs and street crime. Others like Kan turn to pursuits like criminal hacking because being able to control the computer gives them a sense of God-hood and exhilaration.

People who have these criminal thoughts always seem to turn inward eventually. Some find spirituality, others find nothing. Kan found nothing and that's what we have today. Sometimes there is something to be said for early identification and mandatory treatment for those who exhibit criminal behavior. It would save us all a lot of heartbreak.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862845)

It boils down to guilt. According to his friends, Kan was obsessed with his own indirect role in the theft of millions of dollars of copyrighted material. Kan suffered unbearable pangs of guilt as a result of his criminal behavior. He saw no honorable way out other than suicide.

This is how the oriental mind works. Honor and "saving face" are very important in that culture. The only way for Kan to "save face" was to make things right again by taking his own life. It is an honorable tradition as old as China itself.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (0, Offtopic)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862643)

It would be wrong to jump to conclusions here.

What if I have a mat specifically built [imdb.com] for this purpose?

GOATSE WARNING! (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862756)

mod it down, then mod me up, then do a funny dance to commemerate the 41st anniversary of hit sitcom "Perfect Strangers!"

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (1, Offtopic)

Cryptnotic (154382) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863189)

This is Funny(+1) if you've seen Office Space. On the other hand, it is definately Offtopic(-1). But it is definately NOT a Troll(-1).

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862658)

Remember the movie Anti-Trust?

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862810)

no

Teh Pleyar (-1)

flaw1 (572429) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863004)

It's worth the rental just to see Tim Robbins (fag) trying to look like Big Billy G.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (1, Offtopic)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862672)

Asking questions? About what? Suicide is, unfortunately, not an unusual occurance. What, do you think RIAA had him assassinated? They may be one bastard of an organization, but killing people is pretty damned far-fetched.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862684)

Yeah, you're right. Nobody has ever killed anybody over dollars before.

Especially not billions and billions of dollars.

Only crackheads kill for personal gain.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862674)

There has been much speculation over on the Free Republic [freerepublic.com] that the MPAA or the RIAA might have had him whacked. Or perhaps one of the Hollywood moguls had him whacked.

I seriously doubt the kid really killed himself. I believe it was murder.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

rob-fu (564277) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863116)

I've seen this theory tossed about on /. and a lot of other websites but I think this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in awhile. Perhaps I'll be sacrificing karma by not posting AC but I think that the mere thought of Kan being murdered by the RIAA or the MPAA is incredibly outlandish.

Kan played a part in making P2P what it is today, but why would they have him killed? There were a lot of others who developed Gnutella. WHy not whack them too? It makes zero fucking sense.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

rob-fu (564277) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863147)

Read this article [wired.com] .

Kan was severely depressed, i.e. Prozac, suicide hotlines, the whole thing.

From the article:

The signs of impending awfulness were there, Oliver said. Very recently, Gene had changed his resume, which was stored on the University of California at Berkeley's server, to read: "Summary: Sad example of a human being. Specializing in failure."

Sad. I think this pretty much dismisses the conspiracy theory...

CNN has story on this as well (with pic) (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862709)

This be it. [cnn.com]

this sound have been posted on slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862740)

This is very important news, how they denied it I have no idea...

I wouldn't be surprised if he was killed by the movie industry... I am deffinately not going to any more movies now

MOD PARENT DOWN -1 PARANOID DELUSIONAL (-1)

TrollBurger (575126) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862741)

Someone's tinfoil hat needs some cleaning i think. What the antiparanoia medication hasnt kicked in yet has it corebreech?

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (5, Insightful)

edhall (10025) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862743)

The mean-spirited and outright nasty comments that have gotten attached to every post mentioning Gene Kan's death remind me of why I cringe every time Slashdot announces that someone has died. Although it would be nice for Slashdot to provide a place for those of us touched by this tragedy to pay our respects, I'm actually relieved that they haven't. It would be painful to see all the trash that some of the miscreant AC's who hang out here would post.

Goodbye, Gene.

-Ed

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862747)

Aside from the idiotic conspiracy theories, which posts do you find mean spirited and nasty?

This one [slashdot.org] ?

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862850)

Mean spirited??? You mean THIS...

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Glug glug glug.. Draino sure tastes MMMmmm MMMmmm GOOD

SlashDot Death Announcement (-1)

flaw1 (572429) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863012)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio...

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

corebreech (469871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863074)

But surely you don't mean to say that this isn't news for nerds. That this isn't stuff that matters.

All stories have mean and nasty comments associated with them. Why do we not cringe at the sight of a new story. OK, maybe we do, but does that mean we shouldn't be posting new stories?

Peer-to-peer is seen by many to be a threat to their very way of life. Gene was working on JXTA [jxta.org] (why is this site down?) which could easily have threatened to become an unstoppable peer-to-peer toolkit that would've let anyone easily write P2P software that would run atop of anything.

The powers that be may shut off access to this port or this service, but with JXTA, you could easily piggyback over whatever existing channels they leave open via some kind of tunnelling protocol thing. JXTA was about figuring out how to deal with the Network Address Translation and firewall issues that prevented P2P from being ubiquitous.

I can't imagine a technology more hated by the status quo than what Gene was working on.

We have every right to ask questions about his death. I'm sorry, but his privacy has to take a backseat here to what it might mean for our future should this turn out to be foul play.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3863088)

Why was he cremated before news of his death released?

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862791)

(whatever score) : Offtopic

LIKE HELL. The guy, Gene Kan, is one of the original people to create P2P for the masses. Simply calling him "offtopic" is meaning the _oh_so_great_editors_ are offtopic, and we are on.

Now, it's just a pride issue. And they have more -1:shut_up power. (Insert Slashdot censor head)

San Jose Mercury News has stories too (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3863026)

Monday's story [bayarea.com]
Tuesday's story [bayarea.com]
Wednesday's story [bayarea.com]

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (-1, Offtopic)

rob-fu (564277) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863083)

While it may be straying offtopic even further, I thought it was interesting that Kan had a weblog entitled "This place sucks." Underneath the title, he added, "Earth sucks. Let me enumerate the ways." The last entry is dated at June 28th. It's eerie -- the posts, which Kan philosophized about various subjects -- religion, US-Israel relations, etc -- get shorter and shorter in length until the last one.

I guess we can only imagine what was going through his mind; it's a shame that he believed things in his life were so bad that the only solution was to end it himself.

Re:Peer-to-peer pioneer kills self (0, Offtopic)

rob-fu (564277) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863089)

For anyone who is interested, the link to Kan's weblog is here [blogspot.com] .

yay (-1, Offtopic)

Dreamacyde (590403) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862630)

great 3rd post..ill never get a 1st post.screw you jeff../

Wait til the RIAA hears about this! (3, Funny)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862631)

If I'm not mistaken, N'Sync has a little-known song named "apache.tgz". Also, Brititany has done "kernel-2.4.19.tgz".

Oh, well...it was a nice idea while it lasted.

;)

Re:Wait til the RIAA hears about this! (1)

ukryule (186826) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862802)

Also, Brititany has done "kernel-2.4.19.tgz".
Yeah. But it's not a patch on her more experimental '-ac' work ...

Re:Wait til the RIAA hears about this! (0, Offtopic)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862923)

Yeah. But it's not a patch on her more experimental '-ac' work ...

Why doesn't she create an account?

flash crowd? (5, Interesting)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862649)

The "slashdotted" link has an interesting link about another name for the /. effect... the "flash crowd"

Larry Niven's 1973 SF short story "Flash Crowd" predicted that one consequence of cheap teleportation would be huge crowds materializing almost instantly at the sites of interesting news stories. Twenty years later the term passed into common use on the Internet to describe exponential spikes in website or server usage when one passes a certain threshold of popular interest (what this does to the server may also be called slashdot effect).

Re:flash crowd? (1)

Anenga (529854) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862979)

Oh boy, I can't wait until the definition for the "Slashdotted" gets Slashdotted. What a conundrum that will be.

But you're violating their copyleft's (1)

muon1183 (587316) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862654)

If the RIAA/MPAA hears about this, we're doomed. Not only will they accuse people of "stealing" copyleft material. It's free, as in beer, you can't steal it. This is what P2P was meant for. Let's hope that this takes off.

wait, isn't he a news anchorman? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862660)

"Tom Jennings" .. is he related to "Peter Brokaw"?

HAW HAW HAW I MADE ME UP A FUNNY!

*BSD is dying by poopbot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862663)

It is now official. Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying


- poopbot: news for turds, stuff that splatters

I don't believe these clowns. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862665)

We serve the Open Source community by funding OSI Certified(tm) Open Source projects.

Yet, they are not supporting BSD, just more of the same Linux shit.

When did Open Soure == Linux and != BSD?

BSD is anti-consumer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862697)

BSD favors the retailer over the consumer.

GNU favors the consumer over the retailer.

Which you prefer depends on whose freedom which you consider is more important. Linux follows the GPL, thus it favors the consumer. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "God must have loved the consumer because he made so many of them."

Re:BSD is anti-consumer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862721)

You're simplistic statements are incorrect.

Standard copyright favors the IP producer over consumers. i.e. The producer is incentivized to create because the government will protect them in the courts.

The GPL favors consumers over producers. i.e. The incentive to create is minimized because profit from selling software as a product is reduced to almost zero.

The BSD License favors neither over the other. i.e. Consumers can use software in the same way as provided in the GPL, and producers can build upon the software without jeopardizing their intellectual property.

Re:BSD is anti-consumer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862768)

GNU favors the consumer over the retailer.

BSD favors the retailer over the consumer.

Which you prefer depends on whose freedom which you consider is more important. Linux follows the GPL, thus it favors the consumer. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "God must have loved the consumer because He made so many of them."

Re:BSD is anti-consumer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862943)

GNU favours irritating, arrogant, self-righteous, shithead hippies. I've met several GNU lusers, and they've all been irritating, arrogant, self-righteous, shithead hippies.

Re:BSD is anti-consumer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862981)

GNU favors the consumer over the retailer.

BSD favors the retailer over the consumer.

Which you prefer depends on whose freedom which you consider is more important. Linux follows the GPL, thus it favors the consumer. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, "God must have loved the consumer because He made so many of them."

Redhat (4, Interesting)

Snoopy77 (229731) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862671)

Before everyone starts screeming, "Why only development for Redhat!" you may note that John Gilmore (evidently a Redhat guy) donated the money for this project. I don't know why Redhat didn't just hire the guy.

Re:Redhat (1)

magicslax (532351) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862702)

I don't know why Redhat didn't just hire the guy.

My best guess is Public Relations: free Slashdotting and an even open-friendlier image. Red Hat wouldn't get to show off quite as much if they just put another employee behind their doors.

Re:Redhat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862998)

Red Hat is to be praised for their many, many financial contributions to open source projects. No one, other than IBM, even comes close. IBM of course has funded billions of dollars worth of Linux development, particularly in porting enterprise software to Linux. Linux, as you may or may not know, is the wonderfully successful new operating system which has taken the world by storm.

Not just Red Hat (2)

Nailer (69468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863091)

As far as I can tell, there's nothing Red Hat specific about the project. Linux clients not already using up2date can, as far as I see it, still install up2date and use Current servers to provide their packages rather than Red hat network.

Linux clients who can't install RPM packages (there aren't many) aren't compliant with the Linux Standard Base.

Re:Not just Red Hat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3863149)

"Linux clients who can't install RPM packages (there aren't many) aren't compliant with the Linux Standard Base."

LSB is NOT needed and has nothing to do with p2p systems.

Your a Xenophobe

This sucks (2, Troll)

aminorex (141494) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862682)

Why don't they fund the original authors and
contributors to provide the desired enhancements
instead of locking them out? Sure. Screw the
innovators and featherbed your pals. This is just
corrupt, and there's no way any of my companies will
be contributing to that fund. Cronyism pretending
to be public service. Pffft.

Re:This sucks (2)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862795)

Could you elaboriate? I'm fairly interested in this, but no links to what you mention.

Thanks.

Re:This sucks (2)

HeUnique (187) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863143)

Original authors??

Last time I checked - RPM stands for "Red hat Package Management" - so should John Gilmore (from Red Hat) pay Red Hat? ;)

Suck my wideness (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862711)

[goatse.cx]
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Tom Jennings (5, Informative)

Pathwalker (103) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862714)

He has done a lot more than FidoNet [wps.com] - take a look at some of the artwork [wps.com] he's done recently. ( I suggest taking a look at the Story Teller [wps.com] - very very cool [wps.com] ...)

He also has lots of info on Nixie tubes [wps.com] and builds some cool looking clocks [wps.com] with them (to tie into the earlier /. articles on nixie clocks from a few months back [slashdot.org] ).

Re:Tom Jennings (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862786)

From the link Turing, an extraordinary British homosexual mathematician

Why did they feel the need to mention the guy was homo?

Re:Tom Jennings (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862794)

No kidding. They already called him a British mathematician.

How rendundant can you get?

Re:Tom Jennings (1)

taniwha (70410) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863016)

don't forget TLG - he helped break the back of the original closed internet run by the big boys by helping make it possible for people to resell packets which lead to the mom&pop isp and lots of little customers rather than a few big ones which had been the 'net biz model up untill then.
And of course one mustn't forget the WPS toilet-cam maybe one of the first web-trolls

You can help! (4, Interesting)

PureFiction (10256) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862722)

We are currently running a BitTorrent load test at:

http://66.139.73.165/ [66.139.73.165]

If you would like to help out an open source content distribution network we would greatly appreciate it!

Re:You can help! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862778)

I like the idea about the porn downloads. To tell the truth, I was going to file the page in the back of my brain until I saw that. :)

We are *so* gullible. :) It's kind of cruel to post free porn on Slashdot, especially when it is available via a system that provides fast downloads to everybody. So you can't say "Oh, well I bet it'll be Slashdotted."

Interesting marketing tactic, too! ++ for that. :)

Free Porn (3, Informative)

SeanTobin (138474) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862811)

OMG. It really is porn. I figured it'd be a huge advertizement for them or something. Thumbs (yes, thumbs) up to BitTorrent for actually putting some truth in advertizing.

New meaning for RPM? (1)

tg_schlacht (570380) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862898)

Red Hat Pornography Manager

Free Porn (1)

berck (60937) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862870)

Hahah. What a great idea.

"Hmmm, how can we can get at least 100 people to download a file at once?" "I know, lets offer them free porn!"

Seems to have worked, since I'm getting a whopping 1.5k/b a second....

Re:Free Porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862878)

Sucks for you. :) 20 - 50 KB/s here.

Re:Free Porn (1)

berck (60937) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862894)

Not really sure how it works, but the rates seem to be fluctuating a LOT. Since I posted that the d/l rates have fluctuated from 0.5kb/s to 20kb/s, with an average around 6kb/s, I would guess. Upload rates have been anywhere from 2kb/s to 23kb/s on an aDSL line.

How to get it working under Mozilla on Win32 (3, Interesting)

flonker (526111) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862933)

My experience, (as of a few minutes ago.)

The installer simply says that "BitTorrent will now work under Internet Explorer", or words to that effect. No status screen, no readme, no "install to directory". Just a simple dialog box. Well, it turns out, BitTorrent is automatically installed to "%programdir%\BitTorrent" with the executable named "btdownloadprefetched.exe". So, click on one of the .torrent links, click "Advanced", navigate to, and select the executable. Click OK. Then choose "Open using", browse, select the executable again, OK, click the "Open using" radio button again, (some kind of bug makes the final "OK" deselected somewhere.) And click the final OK. Everything seems to be configured.

Interesting algo. Lots of interesting side effects. Accurate download stats for who and how many times. Upstream connections only during a flash crowd, (or so it seems).

Re:Free Porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3863185)

120 Kbytes per-second download
0.8 Kbytes per-second upload..

Could be great for some "dpkg" clone where multiple RPMS can exists together to satisfy dependencies. Think "KDE 3.1 Alpha 1" package spread...

Re:You can help! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3863051)

The 10 meg file came in at about 5 times the rate of the 100 meg file for me. I guess that means more people must be downloading the smaller one. So, as the demand goes up, the speed goes up instead of down. Congrats to the developers, this is very cool.

Pleh! Polka!! (-1)

The Porn Count (549103) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862739)

THE TROLL POLKA (ARSCHFICKEN MIT ZIEGEN)
By Serial Troller [slashdot.org] , 2002-06-25


Is das nicht ein early post?
Ja! Das ist mein early post!
Is das nicht ein Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost?
Ja! Das ist mein Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost!
Early post, Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Slashdot sucks!

Is das post at minus one?
Ja! Das ist at minus one!
Is das trolling so much fun?
Ja! Das trolling is so fun!
Minus one, trolling fun,
Early post, Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Slashdot sucks!

Is das nicht ein big crapflood?
Ja! Das ist mein big crapflood!
Is it worthless Linux FUD?
Ja! Das ist mein Linux FUD!
Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
Minus one, trolling fun,
Early post, Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Slashdot sucks!

Is das nicht der CowBoiKneel?
Ja! Das ist der CowBoiKneel!
Is dis nicht his manchode meal?
Ja! Das ist his manchode meal!
CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
Minus one, trolling fun,
Early post, Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Slashdot sucks!

Is das nicht ein WIPO Troll?
Ja! Das ist der WIPO Troll!
Is das nicht ein Goatse [goatse.cx] hole?
Ja! Das ist der Goatse [goatse.cx] hole!
WIPO Troll, Goatse [goatse.cx] hole,
CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
Minus one, trolling fun,
Early post, Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Slashdot sucks!

Is das nicht Jon Katz' slave boys?
Ja! Das ist Jon Katz' slave boys!
Und are they not Taco's sex toys?
Ja! They are Taco's sex toys!
Katz' slave boys, Rob's sex toys,
WIPO Troll, Goatse [goatse.cx] hole,
CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
Minus one, trolling fun,
Early post, Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Slashdot sucks!

Is das nicht ein trolltalk thread?
Ja! Das ist ein trolltalk thread!
Is it nicht now FUCKING DEAD?
Ja! Is really FUCKING DEAD!
Trolltalk thread, FUCKING DEAD,
Katz' slave boys, Rob's sex toys,
WIPO Troll, Goatse [goatse.cx] hole,
CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
Minus one, trolling fun,
Early post, Goatse [goatse.cx] ghost,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Oh, du schone,
Slashdot sucks!

____________________

Change Log:

  • Subtle changes to most verses. It sounded really gay before.
  • Removed all references to Taco's pud. May have been high at time. Will investigate further.
  • Finally think I have goat sex written correctly in German. I think. Arschficken?

(C) 2002 Serial Troller. Permission to reproduce this document is granted provided that you send all the bukkake porn you can find to serialtroller@hotmail.com [mailto] .

I don't think the RIAA likes my comment (3, Interesting)

roalt (534265) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862755)

I love open-source...
sed 's/\.rpm/\.mp3/g' *.c

Don't think the RIAA gives a fuck about your post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862803)

n/t

why just rpm's (1)

bug1 (96678) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862831)

What does the packaging format have to do with p2p ?

The required metadata fields to uniquely identify a package (i.e. package name and version) are similar in all packaging schemes.

The only significant bit that would be distribution dependent would be dependeny handling.

Re:why just rpm's (1)

aveng0 (590814) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863144)

I would think that if you dont want to get some modified trojan package, that there would be some authentication or 1 way hash matching... it would have to be integrated into the package itself... i would think

On funding (1)

bentriloquist (125570) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862860)

From PubSoft's funding page:

"Our funding comes from the public. From people like you, who would like to see more and better freely available software.

We have received our first donation, of $35,000, from John Gilmore. Will you be next? He is funding Tom Jennings to work on peer-to-peer sharing of free software RPMs."


I don't know about the typical public software user, but I don't have $35K to spend. On the other hand, I don't need any software that I don't already have. The $35K donation does not come from a typical user and I would hardly call the project typical. Anyway, it will be fun to see if PubSoft's idea catches on.

the name needs to change, though. (2)

lingqi (577227) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862884)

lookie here. [pubsoft.org]

now... if you just bounced onto that company online -- what goes on in your mind?
1) public fund open source software company
2) beer related software company
3) beer

my reaction was somewhere between 2 and 3 above, leaning strongly toward 3...

Re:the name needs to change, though. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862929)

Maybe it's because I don't drink,or maybe it's because people in the U.S. don't usually refer to bars as pubs, but I didn't think of 2 or 3 at all.

Another Way to Fund Open Source Software (1)

pheph (234655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862892)

I do work for a company that donates significant (and published) portions of its sales (mostly Open Source compatible computer hardware) to Open Source projects and organizations of the user's choosings.
For more information, check Open Soars [opensoars.com]

I just remembered the one thing that makes P2P bad (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862913)

I think this program is a really great concept... I eagerly downloaded the client and started the download of the test file, when I was quickly reminded of what ruins every P2P program I've tried. As soon as people start downloading from me, my incoming connection grinds to a halt. It literally just took me 5 minutes to get back to this page in order to write my reply. Once all of my upstream bandwidth is used, my download speed drops to almost nothing, leaving me with virtually no connection the entire time I'm trying to download whatever it is I'm getting, which takes even longer because my connection is so slow. Isn't there any way to make P2P software play nice with the connection and only use the unused outgoing bandwidth?

Posting as AC because I'm too lazy to login...

Re:I just remembered the one thing that makes P2P (3, Informative)

Subcarrier (262294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863046)

As soon as people start downloading from me, my incoming connection grinds to a halt.

This is a good point, especially with highly asymmetric systems like cable connections (asymmetry can be as high as 1:40 on these beauties). Some of the uplink capacity is needed for TCP protocol acknowledgement packets. If the uplink becomes congested, the downlink clogs down as well.

Isn't there any way to make P2P software play nice with the connection and only use the unused outgoing bandwidth?

It's possible but it requires support from the OS. A quality-of-service implementation like DiffServ can help solve the problem. Packets belonging the P2P traffic could be assigned to the lowest service class so that precendence is always given to other traffic.

I thought... (0, Troll)

Sam Lowry (254040) | more than 12 years ago | (#3862925)

That BitTorrent is not Free as in speech and is not even completely free as in beer.

What do I get? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3862955)

Using the standard client-server system for file transfers, only the server (ie those producing cheap software) and the client (ie those consuming cheap software) suffer from poor transfer speeds when a popular file is released. Using a peer-to-peer system, everyone suffers, (since the system is distributed amongst every peer) including those who could not care less about the hot new apache patch. I don't feel it is fair for the rest of us to suffer to support linuz dorks.

Re:What do I get? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3863010)

And just how, pray tell, are "those who could not care less about the hot new apache patch" going to be the least bit affected since they aren't downloading it via BitTorrent?

BitTorrent doesn't sit on your system acting as a general server for the whole world for every BitTorrent download. It is only active when you are downloading a particular BitTorrent stream, it only acts as a peer for the particular BitTorrent stream you are receiving, and once downloading is complete it is only active until you close the client.

What's the point? (4, Informative)

chris_sawtell (10326) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863164)

BitTorrent works absolutely perfectly.
Somebody has more money than sense. Just reward the BitTorrent author, if you want to splash money around.

Security (-1)

Rogain (91755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863167)

So what keeps me from tojaning the .rpms you download from me?

They should sort out RPM (2)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 12 years ago | (#3863174)

It's nice and all to have a P2P RPM network, but the money would have been better spent improving RPM's.

RPM's need to be made far more granuler this would sort out all thoes evil dep problems which in my experiance are.
RPM X requires RPM's A B C D E .... P to be installed where RPM's D-P are obscure features that no-one ever uses.

No if all RPM's were in nice sized chunks you would only have to install the chunk you wanted/required. This would keep the install base down, and force packagers/programmers to do things in a nice modula way.

Also... Why can't I use source RPM's that optionally compile themselfs after install...

Why don't RPM's seem to be signed!!!

RPM's should have "where can i get updates / security patches etc.. from" properties.

Now if they sotred that out then maybe you wouldn't need each distro to build there RPM's and each RPM to be so huge an bloaty (especially when you take deps into account!!)

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