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Gateway as Content Distributor?

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the things-change dept.

News 181

crovira writes "CNet has an article about Gateway testing the waters of the music business and using their retail stores as music outlets." crovira excerpts: "So far, Gateway executives have not specified exact plans that the company will pursue, but they have indicated that it could position itself as a conduit for content from established and new artists. Turner also indicated that Gateway is contemplating bypassing the titans of the music industry if necessary. 'We have retail stores that aren't beholden to the music industry,' Turner said. 'There are a lot of artists out there.'" Makes one wonder if the xxAAs will roll-over and take their tithe or if they'll try to find some anti-competitive legal maneuvering leverage to keep Gateway out? And can Apple be far behind with video services out of their own retail outlets?"

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This is a post. (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429181)

Yes, it is a post.
But which post is it ?

first. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429190)

post. awwwww

cow power! (0, Offtopic)

pjammer (90700) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429195)

death to RIAA! Long live the cow-spotted hardware retailer & bootleg music distributor!!!!

mod parent up (-1)

L0rdkariya (562469) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429217)

see subject

From The Compassionate Convervative (Idiot) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429447)

Nine Texas executions set over 31 days April 28, 2002 Posted: 9:37 PM EDT (0137 GMT) HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP) -- In a spurt of capital punishment that should ensure Texas reclaims the distinction for the year as America's most active execution state, nine condemned killers -- including a Frenchman -- are set to die over a 31-day period starting Tuesday. Among the convicted murderers facing lethal injection is a San Antonio man with one leg who earlier this year was spared from the death chamber by telling authorities he had knowledge of other slayings. Texas, by far the nation's leader in capital punishment with 265 lethal injections since executions resumed in 1982, put 17 prisoners to death in 2001, one fewer than Oklahoma. So far this year, nine of the 22 executions in the United States have been in Texas. Missouri is second with four. If all nine executions are carried out, it would be the most prolific series of punishment in Texas since 12 inmates were put to death over a 29-day period in May and June 1997. "Any date is serious," says Brian Davis, condemned for a Harris County slaying. "I don't want to die. But the way I look at it is, if you ask most people, they'd like to die in their sleep. I'm going to die like most people want to die. I know when, and I know how." Other than their fate and the fact that their appeals are running out, the inmates share little in common. Two are white, four black and three Hispanic. Three had been to prison before. Seven were born in Texas, one in Nevada and one in Paris, France. They are among at least 15 prisoners with death dates pending in Texas. Another four are scheduled for June and two more have August execution dates in what could be a year that exceeds the record 40 lethal injections administered in Texas in 2000. The timing of the punishments is coincidental. Dates are set by local trial court judges. The inmates facing death over the next 4.5 weeks are: Rodolfo Hernandez, 52, makes his second trip to the death house Tuesday. He was spared March 21 moments before he was to have been executed for his role in the 1985 robbery and fatal shooting of an undocumented immigrant in Comal County. The reprieve came from Gov. Rick Perry after Hernandez told San Antonio police earlier that week he had information about other killings in his native city. Hernandez, 52, lost a leg to diabetes and prison officials have said a recurring infection has prevented him from getting his wish: an artificial leg so he can walk to the death chamber. Stanley Baker, 35, born in Paris, France, faces injection May 30 for the September 1994 robbery and shooting death of a clerk at a College Station adult video store. Curtis Moore, 34, faces death Wednesday for the November 1995 abduction and shooting deaths of three people in two separate killing sprees. In one of the cases, a shooting victim who had been doused with gasoline and set afire survived to testify against his attacker. Davis, 33, is set to die May 7 for the fatal stabbing of a mentally retarded man he and his girlfriend picked up at a Houston bar in August 1991. The victim told Davis he would provide gas money for a trip home. When he said later he had no money, he was stabbed 11 times and had a swastika carved into his abdomen. Reginald Reeves, 28, faces a May 9 execution date for the September 1993 rape-strangulation of a 14-year-old girl who had run away from a group home in Paris, Texas. Her body was found at a vacant house. Reeves was 19 at the time. Henry Dunn, 27, has a May 14 death date for the abduction and fatal shooting in November 1993 of a Tyler man. Dunn also was 19 at the time of the slaying. Prosecutors said he justified the murder because the victim was gay. Ronford Styron, 32, faces execution May 16 for the beating death of his 11-month-old son in October 1993. He told police he did not believe the child was his own offspring and took out his anger on the infant. Johnny Martinez, 29, has a May 22 execution date for the July 1993 fatal stabbing of a Corpus Christi convenience store clerk during a robbery. Napoleon Beazley, 25, set to die May 28 for the 1994 shooting death of a Tyler businessman during a carjacking outside the victim's home. Beazley was 17 when he killed 63-year-old John Luttig, father of a federal appeals court judge in Virginia. Death penalty opponents worldwide have rallied behind Beazley, contending it would be cruel to execute him because he was a child when the crime occurred.

your badly formatted point would be what exactly? (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429460)


Re:your badly formatted point would be what exactl (1)

Kibo (256105) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429500)

It seemed vaugly similar to a line from eXistenZ.

If it was more along the lines of, "Death to the Demoness Hilary Rosen...." Well then it be pretty damn similar.

So... (2)

NetRanger (5584) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429209)

...given the image of the company, is it all going to be pirated barnyard music?

ha! (1)

kritikal (247499) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429212)

great, so i can pick up a new gateway with a cdr and cd-ripping software, all the while looking around the store for music to remember to go home and download so i can burn it later! awesome!

Now you can... (5, Funny)

Zen Mastuh (456254) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429214)

  1. Listen to music geared toward the Lowest Common Denominator
  2. on a machine geared toward the Lowest Common Denominator.

Re:FUNNY TOO; Wil Wheaton SUCKS SHIT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429480)

Wil Wheaton: This Is Your Life

Wheaton in that Stand By Me movie with Steven King.
I was looking at my Swiss Chronomoter in the corner of my system tray and I saw by double-clicking this magnificent precision timepiece that it has been calendar WEEKS since we've mentioned Wil Wheaton on this site. How this ghastly oversight was allowed to happen I don't know, but heads will roll and I sure hope they are hack writer Scotty D's!!! Fear not gentle reader, I am about to correct this grievous error in judgement by devoting the entirety of today's update to none other than the biggest star of the web log scene; our lord and master and two ton disaster, WIL WHEATON!!

Wil's formative years are shrouded in mystery, concealed from the public by a skein of lies and deceptions so complex that it has taken more than a decade for Wheaton researchers to unravel. Initially believed to be the son of some horrible mating of the "Hints from Heloise" shebeast and that green alien that ruined the Flintstones, Wheaton is actually born to relatively normal parents. Jane Wheaton was a failed hand-model whose hands were used in close-ups of Gregory Peck's hands in the 1982 miniseries "The Blue and the Gray" in which he played Abe Lincoln. Due to time constraints these close-ups of her hands signing the emancipation proclamation were edited out and she soon spiraled into depression and suicide attempts.

Wil's father was the scientist who developed the process for human hair transplantation. He was shot and killed in 1985 by the owner of the Hair Club for Men, although the case was never taken to court. Growing up fatherless was not easy for Wil but he quickly took to acting and at the tender age of 9 received his first major role in the movie "Stand By Me" which also starred Steven King and that guy from Sliders as the fat kid. Wheaton went on to star in "Never Ending Story" and "Never Ending Story 2" before he landed a role on the TV series Lost in Space.

Thus began his enduring career as "Space Nerd Wil Wheaton". As the whiney and juvenile Wilson Crusher, Wheaton quickly became hated by the viewers of the show. During one particularly hated episode Wilson Crusher and Dr. Zachary Smith accidentally unleash the spirit of a mummy into their robot companion and are forced to hide in a cave to escape its rampage. Finally Wheaton's character was killed off in the episode where the Klingons land on the planet and kidnap the monkey with big fake ears. Wilson and the robot try to rescue it from their clutches but end up being killed when Dr. Smith ejects them into space to keep them from telling the Klingons about his collection of photos he took of Wilson naked with the monkey.

After a stint starring in various Z-grade indy dramas about love triangles and two girls who kiss and maybe suicides or something, Wheaton hit rock bottom and appeared unbilled in a gay porn film. It was on the set of Anal Rodeo 7 that Wheaton met his post-op transsexual wife Dana. Dana had two children from a previous marriage (before she became a woman) but Wheaton was not going to let that stand in the way of their budding romance. Soon they were engaged and making the best love that a 200 dollar backstreet surgeon's vagina would allow. While their marriage would not be recognized in most states of the union, Wheaton proceeded against all of his family's wishes. He also found finally a role that suited him very well; the role of loving father to a transsexual wife's children.

Peter and Grunner were ages 5 and 8 when Dana Blajkowski finally became Dana Wheaton in 1998. By then Wil had taken a new bold career direction; the information super highway. Choosing to eschew traditional career tangents, Wheaton creates an online journal in which he details his life, trials, and tribulations. In the course of the journal you can find such interesting topics as:

Wheaton in some supporting role in a movie about two girls who drink wine and talk about art theory.
Who Wheaton's favorite entertainers are (Incubus is awesome and Enterprise is the best Star Track show since Lost in Space).
Generic and overly saccharine parenting anecdotes (alright, we get it already; you love your tranny kids).

Self-pitying introspective rants about negative attention (boohoo how can people call me a has-been?!).

Manic and annoyingly cheery rants about projects or events (I'm going to be on Weakest Link and Slashdot wrote a three-sentence blurb about my horrible Pong channel!!!!!1).

Pandering and insipid fan reach-arounds (Que-T in the soapbox really knows what she's talking about GUH-HAW GUH-HAW GUH-HAW WINK!).

Mind-bendingly inane daily occurrences. (Today I stopped at White Castle. Every time I eat a slider it reminds me of that fat kid from Stand By Me and how he still has a career even though he was in Tomcats and I don't have a career).

Poorly thought out or derivative opinion piece (usually something that deserves a "thanks captain obvious" award, i.e. racism is bad).

Wheaton continues to defy expectations and grows in online popularity even as his career tanks - or perhaps because his career is tanking. Readers identify with a failure, but more than that, even while wishing him well the would indeed damn him for "selling out". What most readers at his popular blog probably don't realize is that if Wheaton succeeded as they all seem to wish that would be the last they would hear from him unless he hired a personal assistant to update his site for him. If that day ever comes many of Wheaton's newfound Internet fans will turn their back on him, they love him because he seems real, they love him because he is not a big ego star.
Or is he?

Writing for Something Awful I could never get away with the type of updates he pulls. If I don't pour every grain of comedy ability I have into an update I'll get twenty e-mails telling me I'm a dumbass or that I deserve to be shot and then brought back to life through voodoo and shot again. Hell, sometimes I get that when I've practically cut open my heart and shot comedy blood out of it until I passed out. If I'm going to relate a personal anecdote it either better be damn interesting and funny or just a segue or intro into a more conventional comedy piece.

The idea of a web log isn't new, and more often than not they are only successful in the hands of pretty girls who can attach their cutesy smiles and almost-nude webcam to their dull words. Wheaton breaks this boundary by not shaking his girlish ass on a webcam and not degrading himself with porn links and gross-out pictures. He seems humble, self-effacing even, but if he's expecting to entertain people with melodramatic opinion pieces and anecdotes from his personal life then he obviously feels that it's important enough to share.

This "I'm still trying to be an actor" shtick is only going to hold reader interest for so much longer, Wil needs to really kick things up a notch and take a look at where he's going with his career. Might I suggest:

Career as a Vietnam War Veteran who constantly recounts stories about buddies dying facedown in the muck and talks about freaking out in the grocery story when the Asian butcher was "swinging that knife."
Sell streaming medical videos of his wife's artificial vagina and how it works with great anecdotes like "sometimes her urethra closes up and I have to catheterize her".

Take creepy sexualized beauty pageant pictures of his kids in bathing suits and with too much make-up. Oh wait, that only works for little girls. I was going to link to one of those sites here but I can't stomach it and I don't want to send traffic to them.

Somehow launch himself into space for real with a handheld camera and film the first ever science fiction show shot entirely in space. The plot can be about how much he misses going to White Castle, the fact that the satellite phone he has to use costs 50 dollars a minute, and recollections about all the times he talked with his son about how much Linkin Park rules.

Travel around the country visiting his old actor and actress friends and carry a camera. Take pictures when they refuse to open the door or slam the door in his face and make a coffee table book entitled "Hollywood Outsider".

Wil seems to be a super creative guy, I'm sure he'll have no problem coming up with some more ideas on what to do with his burgeoning multimedia empire. If you need any help Wil, feel free to drop me a line, because yo, this where the mad bank is!

Re:FUNNY TOO; Wil Wheaton SUCKS SHIT (2)

PD (9577) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429544)

That's not nice. You should apologise.

kinko's! (1)

1024x768 (113033) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429215)

Kinko's is the most logical content distributor beholden to no media giants. Too bad, as they seem to have lost their adventuresome spirit over the past few years.

Re:kinko's! (1)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429253)

Not true Kinko's won't let you copy more than a few pages out of any book for instance. In fact they have all sorts of strange copyright rules.

The worst part is, they won't even let you copy a $100 bill. 1's and 5's seem OK though.

Re:kinko's! (2, Informative)

1024x768 (113033) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429299)

They have some funky rules about fair use. But that doesn't mean they are beholden. It means they got whacked a few years ago: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/primary/cases/c758FSup p1522.html (wrapped url, take out the space)

of course you could service yourself (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429368)

"Not true Kinko's won't let you copy more than a few pages out of any book for instance. In fact they have all sorts of strange copyright rules. "

I normally do all my own copying. Most people don't bother me.

Re:kinko's! (1)

PunchMonkey (261983) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429462)

A few years ago I tried to colour photocopy a 5 dollar bill (canadian), and the photocopier won't do it, some type of copy protection. A really dark and inky greenblack rectangle comes out instead of the bill.

how is this? (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429359)

"Too bad, as they seem to have lost their adventuresome spirit over the past few years."

Maybe I didn't notice this the half dozen times I have been there for some reason or another.

Re:kinko's! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429374)

What, so you can go in there, get charged for computer time while they try to fix their printer, pay for bad prints because they didn't know how the Mac was set up, and get told it's your fault for your color when their drum is dying?

Kinko's is owned in whole or part by the Prince of Darkness I think. There are many other smaller print shops that are much more hospitable and knowledgable. No freakin' way would I go there for content too.

Re:kinko's! (1)

sboss (13167) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429562)

Since the dot.com went dot.commedy (or dot.bomb), they had less cash flow, so they had to cut back. Back during the techno boom, they were making barrells full of cash. Those dot.coms were using them at their "not soo cheap" prices and kinkos just made a killing. But the cash cow died. But I would expect to see more cool stuff from them as time goes on.

new business model (2, Interesting)

tcm614ce (570300) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429218)

Maybe since Gateway is in the tech business, not the record business, they will be able to come up with the business model that can make money for themselves and [their?] artists with new technology.

Re:new business model (5, Interesting)

johnjones (14274) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429478)

yeah its called streaming

wake up Video + music will be on a server and you select what you want when you want it

the tradtional ISP is gone as soon as the Mobile networks have enough bandwidth to do Video

that way if you have a TV/STB then you put in SIM chip and recive what you want paying for rentels via sim(what we think of as the phone)

and if you want music plug in you earjacks into phone and away you go

I have not seen a single new phone (based on OMAP) that cant do streaming MP3

its only a matter of time until the networks (mobile) work out this revenue generator and kick the cable co/baby bel/incumbant ARSE

muh hahaha


john jones

Business model? Ridden in an elevator lately? (2)

crovira (10242) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429495)

The xxAA's onky exist because of inertia. And they are the heaviest contributors to this inertia.

They have fought (and lost) against EVERY technological device since the invention of the player piano. They have NEVER won. Not even ONCE.

And the people who were supposed to benefit from this went around them and founded entire industries around the products that were supposed to bring doom and desolation to the industries they were alleging to protect.

The industries who need protection need protection from the xxAAs not the technology. That technology has in EVERY case turned into a profit center for somebody in the industry.

I suspect that the fight will now be brought back home to the xxAAs since they have NEVER won a case but instead have stood at every turn between people and profits.

The xxAAs are about as useful as a dose of clap and about as pleasant. Cover Jack Valente with Piperazine and he'd wither away like a slug covered with salt.

The xxAAs put music and ads in elevators. But its such an abomination that its called "Muzak." Muzak is to music as a can of dog food is to a steak.

Some people prefer chicken. FINE... But THEY get to make the choice of their meal.

Most music is of the Muzak variety. If bought by people who don't like it and don't listen to it but have been sold on structured noise as a background. Its part of an architectural motif on par with the plastic chairs in airport lounges and its about as comfortable to be around.
Personally, I prefer silence. And its FREE!

Deathmatch (4, Interesting)

DCram (459805) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429220)

the great thing is Gateway has enough clout to pull this off. And the more holes Gateway puts in the wall the more cracks smaller guys can squeese through.

Re:Deathmatch (4, Funny)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429405)

Deathmatch? Tell me about it... I'd like to see the look on Hilary Rosen's face when she's locked in a padded room with an angry bull in mating season. Did I say that out loud?

Re:Deathmatch (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429435)

No, you didn't. At least not that I heard. ;)

Re:Deathmatch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429519)

You saw that mpg too?

I wish them luck.... (1)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429222)

But I am thinking gateway will fall flat on thier face with this one. I don't think people will run to the the Gateway store to buy MP3's of music they never heard of. The RIAA mafia robly be effective in theatening any big-name artists from doing business with gateway. Finally they will get sued, meaning a whole lot of hassle to only serve a few users. Maybe a few small indy artist will end up getting record contracts as they are stolen from Gateway.
Frankly I would rather see them taking the money spent on this taking the RIAA to the supreme court.

Re:I wish them luck.... (4, Interesting)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429279)

"Finally they will get sued, meaning a whole lot of hassle to only serve a few users."

I don't see how they're doing anything that exposes them to a lawsuit. From what I read of the article, they're only distributing music that they can legally distribute. It sounds like they're essentially a more commercialized version of mp3.com's regular service (not to be confused with the lawsuit-ridden BeamIT service).

I suspect many artists will use this system as a way to promote their work without giving up all of their work. They could create a few freely distributable singles and allow those to help drive album sales. It would be similar in nature to one of the big pro-P2P arguments (exposure to artists/sample before you buy), but it would be done with the full consent of the copyright holder and it wouldn't necessarily result in the entire album being available.

Re:I wish them luck.... (1)

adam613 (449819) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429557)

I don't see how they're doing anything that exposes them to a lawsuit.

Since when does that stop the xxAA? The kid who wrote DeCSS wasn't exposing himself to a lawsuit either, since Norway doesn't have a DMCA. But he got sued anyway. I realize that this is a much different case, but I feel that my point still holds. IANAL.

Re:I wish them luck.... (4, Interesting)

SVDave (231875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429351)

But I am thinking gateway will fall flat on thier face with this one.

When my parents got a computer a few years ago from Gateway, they got their ISP service from Gateway.net . It was truly awful. The folks at Gateway obviously didn't have a clue as to how to run an ISP, but were just trying to jump on the internet bandwagon. Now my father is on Earthlink, and my mother on AOL, and Gateway.net has apparently become part of CompuServe.

I have a feeling that this is another attempt by Gateway to experiment with the latest trendy thing. They should just stick with what they know.

BOO ya (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429231)

Bite down on it! [userland.com]

Coverage on CNN Next (2, Interesting)

ShaggusMacHaggis (178339) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429240)

They had a short bit about this on the show CNN Next. Included were interviews with the president of the RIAA, she was not happy at all. Basically said that Gateway was supporting piracy. Lol, what will they think of next?

Re:Coverage on CNN Next (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429453)

You didn't know that RIAA had rights to any and all music. Period. So of course they are pirates for selling their own music. Duh!

personally (4, Insightful)

Jacer (574383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429243)

i'd much rather have good pirated music, than crappy legal music..... granted people have different tastes in music, but in all seriousness, some musicians just aren't talented, i guess it's really a moot point being as i have 30 gigs of mp3s....

Re:personally (1)

grahams (5366) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429272)

i'd much rather have good pirated music, than crappy legal music.....

Why not just acquire good legal music?

Re:personally (1)

Jacer (574383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429308)

by legal music i was referring to freely available legal music. i really enjoy music, i feel a lot more than most do. i listen to a widerange of music, and some of it is mainstream, but most isn't. but the point remains, it would cost me right around $7,000 to get all of my music legal, i'd like nothing more than for the artists to have my money directly, but if i were to legalize my entire collection, all artists would share around $700, that's B.S.

Re:personally (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429326)


Even less in most cases

Re:personally (1)

Jacer (574383) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429339)

i'd rather be generous to prove a point, than make a hyperbole to hurt it...

Re:personally (2)

clifyt (11768) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429404)

No, the artists get a shit load more than that. They got representation at the local record stores. They get A&R to help get them on the radio. They get advertisments and otherwise reimbursed for touring.

You know what else, few artists you probably listen to make enough money for the record companies to actually return money back on them. The Britneys and Backstreets out there are subsudizing a majority of the artists you listen to. I'll say it again, most musicians are a loosing proposition for companies, but they continually buy up 10 bands for every profitible band because they HOPE that one of them will bring the money back into the fold. The market is volitile...bands that don't keep their sounds current don't stay around in the charts. Great bands that happened to show up and release an album at the wrong time also don't do well. Crappy artists that just happen to release an album just when a void is forming do well. Predicting all of this is practically impossible.

I know a lot of this is off topic (actually maybe not for this article) but just because a band only sees a dollar or two off every CD doesn't mean they aren't seeing results from being on the lable. They choose to be on the lable, not you. If they didn't want to take the bloodmoney, they could have started their own music lable, kept ALL the profits and thus needed to sell only a fraction of what they sell to make the same amount of money. They could tour (which IS the major money maker for most artists) and ignore all of that.

They didn't and choose to go the 'simpler' way (or maybe just conventional way). It isn't your duty as a consumer to second guess what they choose. Their finances are not your concern. Respecting companies and artists legitimate intellectual properties rights ARE your concern. If you want to be a thief that is all well and good. Before I get modded me down, just think of how ya'll would feel if a company snagged GPL'd software for a shipping product and claimed it would cost too much to license it or they just didn't like the terms. One of the /.'rs has an interesting quote about Microsoft and 'Viral Licensing Schemes' saying if you don't like it don't use it. If you don't want to pay for music, find like minded artists and listen to them.

Your argument is B.S.

Re:personally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429503)


Your arguement would be valid if the only labels out there were the huge ones. Fortunately that isn't true - there are a number of smaller labels. You have also fallen into the trap of "give them what they want" instead of "lets see what the artist can give us" kind of thinking. So basically just because a mega corporation has to buy 10 bands to get 1 profitable band doesn't mean a whole lot to music - just business. Music is business but the mega corporations want to treat music as a throw away commodity instead of trying to understand the market. So you get short sighted thinking like yours pointing out the 10 for 1 and luck of the draw. Both relevent but not really important in the large scheme of things.

Personally I don't even listen to music much anymore. Most of it is crap and the worst part is having some guys in a suit decide what is hot this week and then use their system to try to get all the feeble people to buy it up in loads. Talk about sick. Then you got the hipsters sitting on their asses talking about how close to the edge they are, how they are pushing the envelope in music appreciation, yadda yadda. What a bunch of crap.

The whole music scene is just to depressing to make it worth spending any time to stay involved...

Re:personally (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429581)

if you don't like it don't use it

I don't. The last CD I bought was the "Mission: Impossible 2" soundtrack, and that was a mistake.

If you don't want to pay for music, find like minded artists and listen to them.

I do. I bought the CD of a small, local celtic band, even though they make their music freely available [mp3s.com] .

Re:personally (2)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429315)

but in all seriousness, some musicians just aren't talented

Yeah and the RIAA gives you every one of em to listen to! Go out to a pub/small club some time. I can see more talent on any given weekend here in Cleveland than is contained in the entire Billboard Top 20.

Re:personally (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429542)

great!!! now Rosen will go out and try to shut down Pub music because it is eating into the Music industry sales.

Re:personally (2)

Surak (18578) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429317)

Hmmm...I wonder if the RIAA reads Slashdot? :-)

Re:personally (2)

nolife (233813) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429371)

So would I. Problem is that the RIAA promotes what it thinks will make money which may not be exactly what you like. There are many other good bands and alternative types of music out there but you may have to browse to find it. I do not view the increased choices as crappy, but an advantage.

Conspiracy (3, Interesting)

sketerpot (454020) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429246)

Yes this is paranoid, but perhaps the **AA would make a deal with gateway: gateway puts content protecion into their mahines, the **AA lets them be in the content distribution racket.

Bet then perhaps we'd see a rise in people getting computers from little companies no one has ever heard of.

Re:Conspiracy (4, Funny)

s20451 (410424) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429275)

Not nearly paranoid enough. Consider: Gateway, in conjunction with the RIAA, the Rand Corporation, and the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires, are forcing artists to give their music away for free in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner!

Re:Conspiracy (1)

pbrammer (526214) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429335)

Yes, but if Gateway did that, their PC sales would go down. I should be able to copy whatever I want on my machine. My computer is a tool that I should be able to use at my disposal. If I break a law, then that is my responsibility - not the person who sold me the computer.

I hunt with my shotgun - that's legal. But the minute that I turn around and blast my hunting partner in the chest, I've all of a sudden broke a law. Is the store that sold me the shotgun liable?

Re:Conspiracy (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429400)

No, but according to some states, the gun manufactures are.

Grand idea... (2)

FFFish (7567) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429250)

...until RIAA sends Guido over to bust Michael Dell's kneecaps. And if that doesn't convince him to back off, I'm sure the thugs will think of more... creative ways to persuade him. Pain is such a wonderful negotiating tool.

Re:Grand idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429260)

Dell has nothing to do with Gateway...moron...

Re:Grand idea... (2)

kikta (200092) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429273)

FYI, Gateway is run by Ted Waitt. Michael Dell runs... Dell

Re:Grand idea... (2)

blankmange (571591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429305)

Michael had better watch out, considering he has nothing to do with Gateway (or is this the beginning of a new conspiracy theory?)... Ted Waitt is really Michael Dell... hmmm

Re:Grand idea... (2)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429422)

You got it all wrong. Mike Dell is the *cow*. I have it on good authority that he really does do the cow voice in the commercials. Anonymously, of course.

Re:Grand idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429587)

no no...the cow voice is the dude that did "the brain" on animaniacs.

yes yes, I got the joke as well.

Re:Grand idea... (2)

NumberSyx (130129) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429310)

...until RIAA sends Guido over to bust Michael Dell's kneecaps.

But you have forgotten about the Dell Ninja Death Squad, which Dell deploys to undermine its competitors and deal with customers who call into Tech Support too often.

Of course it doesn't matter, because the discussion is about Gateway, not Dell.

Gateway often goes against the big guys (5, Insightful)

zoombat (513570) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429251)

I don't have many feelings (positive or negative) for Gateway's products, but I must say I've been rather impressed with Gateway's rebellion against some big players. They've gone against the DMCA before [eff.org] , and they testified [slashdot.org] against Microsoft...

I'm not trying to say that Gateway is some sort of Utopian selfless corporation or anything, but I just have to cheer when I see big-name companies taking on the big bullies.

Re:Gateway often goes against the big guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429487)

They did cave in somewhat to Microsoft about the Amiga, though they did manage to spin it off and not completely kill it.

Re:Gateway often goes against the big guys (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429514)

I hate gateway products. I could tell you horror stories about the computers.
Then they go and fight for things I believe in as well. Sheesh, I'd like to buy tgere products to help support them on a philisophical level, but I can't seem to bring myself to buy there products.

Maybe I should just wrap a 20 around a rock and through it through there window...

Re:Gateway often goes against the big guys (2)

zbuffered (125292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429563)

It's interesting, if they're so in-tune with what the customer (you and I) wants, why do they put out boring PCs? Why don't they do something about their reputation. They obviously aren't afraid to change, take risks, and what not, so why don't they stop using proprietary components and give me what I really want: A water-cooled, windowed, lighted, PC with a handle on the top? Or, barring that, something else that I'd like. I liked their PC TV idea years back, what happened to that? It was a great idea, and the TIVO revolution just makes it more appealing.

xxAA made this possible (1)

imr (106517) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429256)

By choosing the path or dirty fightying, by not incorporating new technics and new ways of communicating in they business habits, but instead going the opposite way and fighting every new actor, even the smallest (decss teen sent to court!!!), by trying to steal every new technic or channel from their creator or by trying to prevent them to exist, they made everybody sure that they are the bad guys.
Now everybody, from the smallest to the biggest, feel entitled to try to be a big actor in this area, since the bad guys rule it.
They shot themselves in the face. Now they look ugly.

Will they try to change their ways or will they play even dirtier???
The answer: Next week, same slash hour, same slash channel.

Gateway founder's brother started Samson Records (4, Interesting)

K8Fan (37875) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429257)

Ted Waitt's brother Norm started Samson Music back in 1997 [archive.org] . They signed a bunch of new artists [archive.org] , but then dropped them, changed their name to Gold Circle Records [goldcircle.com] and signed a bunch of 80's leftovers [goldcircle.com] .

interesting idea, but (2, Interesting)

z_gringo (452163) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429267)

It is hard to see how they could really succeed here. Would they sell CD's? Or would they simply allow MP3 downloads? Or would they do it all online with some Napster-like service?

I'm all for a totally new music distribution system (and who isn't? except for the record companies). The article is a bit light on details. Hopefully there will be more information soon.

Hey maybe one day, you will be able to call up and order you PC and have it shipped to you preloaded with your favorite MP3s!!!

Perfect! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429270)

Great! Gateway took the principles they learned in computing and decided to go into music! They're forgetting one lesson they (hopefully) learned in computing though--they suck. If they have second rate music like they have second rate computers, this could effectively be their own suicide. Go Gateway!

I hope that the RIAA.... (2, Funny)

Newer Guy (520108) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429276)

Has a COW over this!

Image Change for Gateway (4, Insightful)

Mr.Sharpy (472377) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429277)

This and the news of their plan to use the cow against the RIAA makes it appear to me that they are gravitating toward and image change to set them apart from the other computer makers. This sort of "anti-establishment" plan could be an attempt to get the attention of all those millions of pirateers the RIAA is so afraid of. Grabbing just a portion of that market would be a signifigant win for Gateway with its recent lackluster business.

It all makes me wonder how long it will be until Gateway sheds it's cowspots in favor of eye patches and parrots. But seriously, I wonder if we will see them installing Kazaa or Morpheus by default before too long.

Re:Image Change for Gateway (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429533)

You might be on to something.
Pirate computers.
Every system includes a CD burner and a cable modem!
"Arrrgh, Polly wants an mp3!"

Great! (2)

blankmange (571591) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429283)

Now every song I download from them will start with their inane jingle and that damn cow going, "Moo." Now I will never get it out of my head!!!

I bet they are now Rosen's new poster child for the evil empire...

Apple as a Content provider (5, Interesting)

danielkdwalker (576752) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429284)

IIRC, Apple are legally unable to sell music due to a deal with Apple Music (of Beatles fame) way back when. Not sure if this still applies. IANAL

Re:Apple as a Content provider (2)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429375)

IIRC, Apple are legally unable to sell music due to a deal with Apple Music (of Beatles fame) way back when.

I don't know if it's still a problem anymore, but Apple (the computer maker) could get away from it with a wholly-owned subsidiary, as long as the name wasn't confusing with "Apple Records" (or whatever it was called, "Music" didn't sound right to me).

And I doubt it'd apply to video distribution, but I think that'd be even harder to get into, unless they started distributing DVDs for indie filmmakers (or established filmmakers with the bucks to buck the system).

Re:Apple as a Content provider (3, Funny)

chill (34294) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429415)

Apple was supposed to stay out of ALL music-related industry. However, they were big into MIDI and digital audio editing. This led to the famous "sosueme" sound on Apples.

I think they've aleady fought this particular battle.

Re:Apple as a Content provider (1)

Evro (18923) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429541)

When you buy a Mac, it comes with iTunes, and a Sampler of about 10-20 MP3s from bands such as the B-52s, Living End, and some others. At least, my friend's did.

The real plan (1)

grung0r (538079) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429285)

This is the real reason computer industry opposed the SSSCA(CBT.....). It wasn't really becuase it restrained their buisness model(it didn't all that much),nor out of the goodness of their hearts, but becuase they want to be the ones in control of the content. This applies to all large companys in the tech sector these days, be it microsoft, intel, dell or in this case, gateway. They all want in on the action of media conglomeration!

Money is all that counts. (1)

sardonic2 (576701) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429312)

The RIAA could give a damn; as long as they can figure out a way to get more money for it. They virtually hold artists prisoner and then act in "their" defense. The RIAA has just been lucky enough to buy the right senators. MP3 Article [slashdot.org] , in there I have a feeling that they are just the RIAA's little fall guy. Just happens to be that they work on digital copyrights.

This is exactly what we need! (4, Insightful)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429313)

Why don't the big companies like McDonalds, Wal Mart, etc, etc realize the potential of developing their own Free music label? This would be GREAT advertising on their part. For example, Wal Mart or whoever could release songs in a digital format for Free. Perhaps they could release a special player that would not allow anyone to "share" the song until a specified date. In this respect, people would have to come into the store for downloading the new releases. I'd do this... and hell, I would definitely buy whatever I could along the way.

Re:This is exactly what we need! (2)

VAXman (96870) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429442)

If this happened then it would be the ultimate commercial dilution of music. The songs would have embedded advertising in them. Britney would sing about how great Pepsi tastes, Metallica would jam to the McDonald's jingle, and the Boston Symphony would have "public service announcements" between Mahler symphony movements.

No thanks.

Re:This is exactly what we need! (2)

JordanH (75307) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429486)

  • Britney would sing about how great Pepsi tastes...

Yeah, unlike now, when Britney sings about how great Pepsi tastes, the Backstreet Boys wail about BK Burgers and BB King sells Arby's Roast Beef sandwiches.

Seriously, I don't see it being much different. A lot of commercial interests distribute sampler CDs as promotions and those songs don't have ads in them, although there might be ads on the CD itself. That's hardly any different than Radio or TV is today.

Re:This is exactly what we need! (2)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429492)

Britney would sing about how great Pepsi tastes

Two things.

1) Doesn't she do this already?
2) You actually listen to Britney Spears?

Re:This is exactly what we need! (1)

adam613 (449819) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429528)

(disclaimer: this is NOT a troll! I am serious.)

This would actually be a good plan for Wal-Mart. It would be better publicity for them than their current practice of censoring music/movies/video games that don't jive with their "good" Christian sensibilities. Instead of complaining about how crass pop culture is, they could do something about it by releasing their own "clean" music.

This is awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429320)

We need this with movie theatres too.. movie theatres on a nationwide level that aren't part of "Hollywood"

Apple is *supposed* to stay out of music biz (4, Interesting)

BigJimSlade (139096) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429332)

Apple Records sued Apple Inc. in 1989 over a secret agreement the two had in 1981. Apple Records allowed Apple Inc. to keep their nifty little apple logo as long as they stayed out of the music industry. This came up again recently with the release of the iPod, although I don't know the outcome of the suit.

Yea, but... (4, Informative)

OneFix (18661) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429382)

To quote the article:

And can Apple be far behind with video services out of their own retail outlets?

I think anyone who follows Apple knows about the whole Apple Records thing...

But, last I checked, Apple Records didn't have a problem with them distributing video content.

They have already set precedent, because...

We've got QuickTime [apple.com] and all of those related products...

And, we've got Apple Distributing Movie Trailers [apple.com] on their web site...

If they were going to persue Apple on the video front, I'ld figure it would have already been done.

Stupid recovery idea (2, Informative)

Lagrange5 (267948) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429344)

With a $3.5 billion drop in net sales [gateway.com] in FY2001, and with a stock price [gateway.com] under $7 a share, not to mention an increasingly competitive marketplace for OEMs, dontcha think Gateway ought to be focusing on consolidating their business instead of trying wacky new ventures?

How The Music Industry Can Keep Gateway Out (5, Interesting)

SloppyElvis (450156) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429364)

The big players in the music industry don't have a monopoly on talent. Just look at the crap-slingers on the Billboard Top 40, and tell me nobody else has this type of "star power", and I won't listen to you anymore, because it would waste my precious time.

Now Gateway comes along, trying to salvage getting its butt whooped by Dell in the home pc market, thinking it can capitalize on this fact.

Here's the problem, if you want to make stars (like the music industry most certainly does), than you need to get them exposure. The web isn't bad for distribution, but promotion is tough. The simple reason is there is just too much out there for people to focus in on a group or two and make superstars out of them. In the music business, people are spoon-fed the next big thing; they make a selection from a limited pool of applicants.

Now, if the music industry tells the radio conglomerates not to air artist so-and-so, you can bet your arse you won't be hearing them. If Bobby and Sally Teen USA don't see your awesome band on MTV, then they could only ever be "a great underground band". To Gateway's dismay, great underground bands don't usually make top dollar like the industry puppets do [save your counter-examples, I speak in the general sense].

So, the music industry can easily prevent Gateway from impinging on their turf by leveraging their might concerning radio and television against Gateway. Without these conduits of distribution, Gateway's plan is more hype than hope, I'm afraid.

Re:How The Music Industry Can Keep Gateway Out (2)

JordanH (75307) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429461)

  • Now, if the music industry tells the radio conglomerates not to air artist so-and-so, you can bet your arse you won't be hearing them. If Bobby and Sally Teen USA don't see your awesome band on MTV, then they could only ever be "a great underground band". To Gateway's dismay, great underground bands don't usually make top dollar like the industry puppets do [save your counter-examples, I speak in the general sense].

Granted, any new music that Gateway tries to introduce will have an uphill battle, just like all new music does, but that doesn't mean that they'll starve trying to do this. You know, there is a point between In*Sync and invisible where a lot of music could thrive.

A lot of great music has always gotten around by word of mouth, anyway. I think we're ready for a backlash against the RIAA and Gateway using their storefronts for this might be just the thing to fire it up.

I'm convinced that if somebody put up an alternative Video Music channel to MTV that just played music, all the time, that it would be successful. In fact, MTV was under anti-trust investigation awhile back because they bought up a smaller rival that did just that.

Re:How The Music Industry Can Keep Gateway Out (1)

elbarsal (232181) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429548)

I'm convinced that if somebody put up an alternative Video Music channel to MTV that just played music, all the time, that it would be successful. In fact, MTV was under anti-trust investigation awhile back because they bought up a smaller rival that did just that.

In Canada, Much Music (and its children Much More Music, Much Loud, etc.) stick much closer (no pun intended) to playing music videos only. If I recall correctly, I read something that said that the Much Music model was actually attractive to MTV, but I'm not sure if anything has been done by MTV (I only see it when I travel to the US).

It's interesting that MTV may be getting into Canada - we'll see how it competes with Much when it does. The Much stations seem to fit their audiences better - for example, Much Loud plays metal and alternative, Much Vibe plays R&B, etc. I have to say that MTV and VH-1 are disappointing in comparison.

Re:How The Music Industry Can Keep Gateway Out (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429578)

Thats why you sign new bands, and promote them. That why you have music scouts looking at small clubs, and surfing the internet for people just trying to get there break.
Every one of your favorite bands was once some small club garage band, most of which you owuldn't even know about if it wasn't for distribution. So Gateway starts there own distribution. Hell YOU could start your own distribution and compete with the RIAA.
If I was to do it, and I had Gateways money, I'd find someone who is big, but has recently finished there contract, and offer them a bigger % of there album sales. Hell, I'd scout Wierd Al just because he's so well known!

You heard it here first (2)

ahde (95143) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429394)

self-aggrandizement [slashdot.org]

Hardware less profitable (5, Insightful)

nucal (561664) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429410)

I wonder if the "hidden" message here is that Gateway sees PC sales to continue to be weak and they are desperately looking to do something with all of those retail outlets ...

Why? (2)

Otter (3800) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429412)

I'm happy to see Gatway standing up for fair use, but -- what sense does this make for them?

It says something about their view of the PC business that rolling the dice on some wildly speculative entertainment industry venture seems attractive.

Re:Why? (2)

gorilla (36491) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429516)

I guess that they're hoping that they can continue to sell hardware, unlike what the RIAA & MPAA plans would do.

Gateway is NO BETTER.. (3, Interesting)

Archfeld (6757) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429454)

they are the same as the RIAA/MPAA they just don't have the $$ yet to buy the political muscle. Look at their PC agreements. Open the box void the warranty, it MUST be serviced at Gateway.
I would not buy a computer from them what makes you think I'd buy music from them ? Just because someone is competing with the Music Behemoths does not make them our friend, probably the exact opposite.
Stand up for yourselves, you are NOT consumers, you are CUSTOMERS, and need to be treated with some respect.

Re:Gateway is NO BETTER.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429493)

Open the box void the warranty

I dont know of ANY manufactured box that doesn't have that clause

Re:Gateway is NO BETTER.. (2)

sab39 (10510) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429582)

There's a BIG difference between "open the box void the warranty" and "open the box get arrested".

I'd have no problem if the MPAA said "well, if you distribute DeCSS, you'll void the warranty on any DVDs played using it". Or if the RIAA said that they wouldn't give any warranty to a CD if it's used to access my.mp3.com (hey, wouldn't it be nice if someone actually *offered* a warranty on CDs?). Or even if the MPAA said that bypassing the region coding on DVD players would void the warranty.

The problem is that in fact these groups are doing no such thing. They actually want it to be IMPOSSIBLE to do these things. The equivalent would be an EULA on a Gateway computer that said that you waive your right to use any other manufacturer for repairs or service. And then they sent the police after you if you tried it.

"take their tithe"?! WTF?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429498)

Makes one wonder if the xxAAs will roll-over and take their tithe

That's the stupidest analogy/expression I've seen in some time. A tithe is an offering (traditionally 10%, given to god). So taking an offering would generally be a pleasure for someone to do. I don't think you meant "take their offering". Maybe "give their offering", but then, who's the god figure they're tithing to? Certainly not some new player on the block like Gateway. And not the artists, since they've been traditionally screwed and aren't exactly the omnipotent god figure.

Even "roll over and play dead" or "lie down and take their medicine" would be better. Anyways, stick to programming or whatever you do, and leave the the literary creations to others.

Content (2)

interstellar_donkey (200782) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429540)

Ahh content, the last resort of the doomed hardware manufacturer.

Earth to Gateway . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3429550)

Content is NOT a commodity. And the sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll realize how important it is to stay out of the music business.

Bad Idea, but positive consequences (4, Insightful)

Essron (231281) | more than 12 years ago | (#3429579)

This strategy is clearly doomed. First, we have the fact that Gateway has NO knowledge of the entertainment industry or media distribution, and arguably little knowledge about making decent hardware.

Second, we have FuckedCompany [fuckedcompany.com] . With all the casualties in the online music space, Gateway better have one hell of a secret weapon. Great customer service and brick-and-mortar stores full of low-tech heads-of-households looking to invest in a computer will not help them sell records.

Gateway is a crumbling company. A look at recent news shows that they are clearly in a state of panic. Last I remember reading was that they were closing European operations and trying to get into IT consulting. I repeat: state of panic.

In the wisest of possible strategies, this music ploy is just a publicity stunt to earn credibility with "all those crazy kids." In their more probable strategy, it is simply bad management making a poor investment outside of their core competencies.

On a positive note, any money they throw at this project will be applied to a full frontal attack of the entertainment media establishment (xxAA's), which in a moral sense may be an ideal use of funds. In an economic sense, it is a waste of precious resources.

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